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In post 3116, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3106, Kerset wrote:

In post 3078, Etine wrote:I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

In post 3086, Cabd wrote:I may not have explicitly sent one addressed to only you, but I certainly felt like I was putting them out writ large.

Doesn't matter though, we have data I can dig into instead. I'm pretty much resetting myself with the exception of the mara read~ You're welcome to cross-temporal neighborize me though, if you'd like.

In post 3114, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3110, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3098, Dunnstral wrote:I like this. Specifically, posts 106 and 174 look like traitor softs to me.

I can -maybe- see how 174 could be taken that way, but I fail to see how 106 is. And why would he vote his scum buddy that early??

But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

Idle votes are the mafia's handiwork right?
*places an idle vote*

In post 3125, Kerset wrote:

In post 3116, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3106, Kerset wrote:

In post 3078, Etine wrote:I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

In post 3124, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 3120, Kerset wrote:

In post 3117, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

Its not based on calculations. It is based on my memory.

Show me his posts, then.

In post 3107, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1022, WindowsXP wrote:

In post 1011, T3 wrote:ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

The first mention of "traitor" in the game.

Fishing?

Now, read WindowXP's sustained yet oddly understated defense of T3 before the elimination.

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

In post 3118, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3110, Almost50 wrote: But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

While correct, this does not mean it's a good idea to not go for the traitor if you suspect one.

They're still a mafia-aligned player with a vote and a voice

In post 3132, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3118, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3110, Almost50 wrote: But, you know what? I am not about to derail your line of thought here. Just remember that -IF I am a Traitor- you don't actually need to eliminate me to win in a Normal.. (I think)

While correct, this does not mean it's a good idea to not go for the traitor if you suspect one.

They're still a mafia-aligned player with a vote and a voice

Based on TODAY'S POSTS ALONE, I'd be willing to bet a small amount on it being NDMath himself. (The one who made a case of my slot being the Traitor)

In post 3128, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3125, Kerset wrote:

In post 3116, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3106, Kerset wrote:

In post 3078, Etine wrote:I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

Why?

In post 3123, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

I really wouldn't mind a wagon on Vasex. It is part of why I was asking bloodhail to town case himself, because -although bloodhail is my top SR- he cleared most of my "other suspects" including Vasex.

In post 3129, Kerset wrote:First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact.

In post 3131, bloodhail wrote:

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

In post 1206, Vasex wrote:I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

In post 3125, Kerset wrote:

In post 3116, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3106, Kerset wrote:

In post 3078, Etine wrote:I feel immense pain about that death.. I was gonna babysit her and then chose not to because I didn't want both of us to die!

So who did you target?

Bas question (regardless of your alignment). A Babysitter should not be telling in this case (where they already hinted they were using it as a protective rather than a Vig). Just my 2 cents based on having been a Babysitter recently

Better say it now then take to grave.

In post 3137, Kerset wrote:

In post 3131, bloodhail wrote:

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

In post 1206, Vasex wrote:I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

In post 2368, T3 wrote:I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

In post 2370, T3 wrote:

In post 2337, Vasex wrote:VOTE: Vasex

oop
VOTE: vasex

In post 2391, T3 wrote:

In post 2385, Marky Mark wrote:

In post 2368, T3 wrote:I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.

In post 2369, Kerset wrote:

In post 2337, Vasex wrote:VOTE: Vasex

Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.

In post 2370, T3 wrote:

In post 2337, Vasex wrote:VOTE: Vasex

oop
VOTE: vasex

In post 2378, T3 wrote:UNVOTE: vasex
e-3

T3 can you please articulate the thought process behind you going from Town!Vasex to voting him to unvoting him in such a short window? I just don't see how this makes any sense for you as either alignment

Vasex was a townread.
I see the self vote.
I think it is a scumclaim.
It's not a scumclaim.

In post 3130, bloodhail wrote:i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

In post 1209, Vasex wrote:Yeah, I understand t3 much, our thoughts were the same in a couple of times. I can understand his logics in moments. Im ready to protect him at least on the firtst day. He should be a town. What kind of town - this is still the question.
And if he is a scum he doesnt try to pocket me much, because after tr in the beginning i became somewhere about null for him for some time...
Enchant is much worse in his scumreading anybody, no useful info from there. Kitty too.
And we have Artemiana like almost neutral option for the first the most difficult day

In post 1219, Vasex wrote:I dont think that t3 didnt understand before claiming that there is almost no hope to elim kitty at that moment, othervise this is some too unexperienced thinking, t3 doesnt look so unexperienced

Cant understand why are you repeatin about wagon going nowhere in Arte. Almost nobody votes there. A wagon. Nowhere. Sounds beauty, but nonsense. Arte has some serious problems throughout the game

Im going sleep too

In post 1280, Vasex wrote:Honestly, i dont know much common rules and statistics of appearing two cops in one game, but if there is very big chance of 1 scum in kitty-t3, then kitty's reaction on t3 is so so bad... He likes reading wiki and played here more games than me, so he should know this possibility even better than me. But smth tells me that they are not 2 true cops, that will be weird and so unbelievable accident

In post 1374, Vasex wrote:

In post 1250, The Bulge wrote:T3 [6] - ..., Enchant
...
Enchant [2] - T3, ...

In post 1362, DrippingGoofball wrote:Yes I town read T3.

In post 1371, DrippingGoofball wrote:Yeah I still think he'll flip green.

So if they are both so townies for you why didn't you stop somehow this huge endless attack from T3 (who wasn't townie for you) to your almost only townie Enchant?
Other players were discussing are reasons good or bad to scumread Enchant like T3 for slipping... You kept silent the whole time, absolutely ignoring this topic (though you had voted T3, but not for long and as it seems mostly because of his new claim, not because any other reason). You called Enchant town before "slip", then T3 attacked Enchant, and now you call them both townies...
Is it normal? T3 was attacking maybe the towniest person you have in your ISO, but you like doesn't care about Enchant's problems, town's problems...
This smells like fake from your side. Fake phrase "Enchant town" - like you don't really believe it (like maybe your partner or maybe you are a scum and he is townie, so you doesnt care).

I got to this thoughts thinking could you be with T3 like partners? Because you said "Enchant townie", then T3 starting to cry with caps lock "Enchant is scum", and there is almost no reaction on that from you, like it is ok for you.

So maybe you can be partners with T3, not scumreading him and not intercepting of doing smth bad for town from your POV... And just pocketing Enchant.
Or maybe you are partners with Enchant and trying not to show it much with the defense, hoping that this storm will end soon.

Because for a townie it is rather strange not to defend your townies, in which colors you are sure enough...

sorry, typing rather fast, maybe a lot of mistakes

In post 3133, Dunnstral wrote:Why does that make them a traitor vs being normal faction scum

In post 2373, Vasex wrote:T3 scum

In post 2379, Vasex wrote:VOTE: T3

Std scum too i think, and he didnt sr t3
Both tred me, std said that we are towns with dgb

T3 is bulletproof scum i think, he doesnt give a shit
Maybe even a traitor who need to show mafia that he is with them

Somebody from kitty/enchant/anastasia/andre are scums still but not all

If t3 is scum there are less chances to find a scum among mark/kers/xp, though at least 1 is possible

Nero hard town, my bet

In post 2392, Vasex wrote:You are walking dead, T3

In post 2416, Vasex wrote:

In post 2410, T3 wrote:I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

No cop would believe that so fast about his hard tr
You are 100% fake cop, lied about hard town

In post 2433, Vasex wrote:

In post 2410, T3 wrote:I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

In post 3139, bloodhail wrote:you realize there were a LOT of posts between then and the end of the day, right?

In post 3135, bloodhail wrote:you're scum it doesn't matter what you think

In post 3144, bloodhail wrote:i could quote a million more posts but i hope i make my point clear

In post 3109, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1026, Kerset wrote:1. Traitors are usually equipped with bulletproof to avoid swing.
2. Traitor knows scum identity but scum doesn't know traitor,

so crumbing is necessary

.

Asking

for a crumb?

In post 3137, Kerset wrote:

In post 3131, bloodhail wrote:

In post 3113, Kerset wrote:VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

vasex was literally begging people to vote T3

He was begging people to vote Kitty.

In post 1206, Vasex wrote:I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).