In post 2006, mastina wrote: In post 1975, Dannflor wrote:Mastina, can you elaborate on your Uncrowned and Andres reads? I feel like you keep skipping right over them
In post 105, mastina wrote:I'm not as convinced as others are that Andres is town, but I do
lean
town there overall.
Andres had players townread him early-on, and had town vibes. It wasn't anything that I can really point to and explain, but he just looked like he was solving in a way that
could
be faked, but was PROBABLY genuine from town.
In post 721, mastina wrote: In post 181, Malakittens wrote:I have played scum - Andre recently and this is like night and day compared to that last game. It’s an early read, but I vibe with it.
For the record: I'm willing to trust Mala on this read.
Malakittens has kept this townread on Andres and has said it has gotten stronger and stronger with time. Malakittens insists that Andres is locktown in fact. Her townread on him is that strong. She is
sure
that Andres is town. She is certain that Andres cannot do this as scum.
Regardless of Malakittens's alignment, I trust that read.
If Malakittens is town, then her read there is genuine. The question then becomes how trustworthy is her locktown of Andres, and given what she's described and her experience with him and her confidence, I am willing to bet that she is right.
If Malakittens is scum, then
theoretically
she could be hard-townbinning a scumbuddy, but in practice, she wouldn't do that and there's not really room for both Malakittens and Andres on a team anyway. Mala could be scum, but Mala and Andres can't be.
Beyond that: Andres's content has gotten townier and townier with time. Especially on D2.
Posts like this demonstrate a solid thought process highly likely to be town.
1052 is dead on the point.
1060 has some good vibes too in particular,
This is something that literally everyone pushing Titus is ignoring. The Titus-scum narrative
relies
on the logic "Ircher was caught by the slip and was fucked". Andres is one of the only players in the game to put the deeper thought needed to realize that wasn't the case, that it was Ircher's later responses which sealed his fate with what he did and didn't do.
I find the
1091 into
the followthrough to be sincere. While it's
possible
to be performative or even scum thinking that asking would be scummy and then immediately retracting, the more likely option given Andres was suspicious of Vivax initially was Andres wanted to push Vivax on the details of his claim, but then realized that would be anti-town and took it back.
The towniness really begins to skyrocket in
1123 and the followthrough though. The viewpoint is sincere and thoughtful enough that I don't see it as scum. The way he worded it, the way he thought of things, the way he approached it, all felt town.
1130 is a valid criticism of Roden and good point in defense of Titus.
1169 may be easy to fake as scum but was still something I read as sincere.
Andres's interactions with Roden radiate town at every stage regardless of Roden's alignment but
especially
if Roden is scum.
And the final nail in the coffin that locks Andres as town
is this post, and the
immediate follow-through (and subsequent elaboration).
When it comes to Uncrowned, it's largely been a combination of Reads I Liked, insight I liked, and the general vibes Uncrowned has given off: casual chill gaming that is still contributing and pushing in a pro-town way, akin to Ydrasse (speaking of which the Uncrowned-Ydrasse interactions make me townread both halves of the engagement). How Uncrowned has interacted with Roden was incredibly important. The engagement there looks like town who doesn't know what the alignment of the person they're interacting with is.
409 gives an example of this.
469 is a good post too.
Uncrowned is also the player who has voiced suspicion on me, which I find the least likely to have ulterior motives for having done so. Less than you, less than Lukewarm, heck even less than Something_Smart. Uncrowned's engagement there looks like genuine unfamiliarity with me and trying to figure me out, rather than scum who has a good idea of what I am like.
Basically while I lack meta on both, both are
highly
likely to be town by play.
I realize it doesn't display well in iso. Isoing them doesn't reveal them to be town.
Reading the game, however, DOES.
Their townness isn't found in iso; their townness is found in reading all the posts in the game and how their content relates specifically to the gamestate at the time and showing nuances.