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But let's assume someone is going single doran's into BT and I'm going double doran's IE. The gold difference is 775 - 300 + 475 for Doran's Blade. If I get a kill (no first blood or shutdown, and the target is 0/0/0), that's 300 gold. From there on out, I'm obtaining a CS lead and can now either get dragon (for a minimum of 140 gold) or go to mid and roam, or kill the other laner for another 300 gold.

It's hard to become 775 gold up on the enemy duo lane as ADC if you play it right. Hell, even getting one kill and the obtaining a CS lead is enough to largely negate the cost difference of 1X DBlade BT and 2x DBlade IE.

Also, the BT shield is useless against an enemy ADC in general, as you can fairly easily 1-shot the shield with one autoattack at every level.

All ADCs will now rush double dorans and brutalizer early.

And rune for 19 ArP. Or 15 ArP, 1% crit (<3), and 4 armor.

And build Brut-IE-Youmuus.


Because you totally want all that cost efficient early damage to be able to wreck people's face.
And BorK-IE is not worth with all the nerfs.


BT will be an early rush item in top or even mid and almost never bought on ADCs.
Same AD value as IE, what's the point of getting BT?


What all this would do is make Quinn somewhat viable because BorK is out of the picture. :3

In post 31425, animorpherv1 wrote:But let's assume someone is going single doran's into BT and I'm going double doran's IE. The gold difference is 775 - 300 + 475 for Doran's Blade. If I get a kill (no first blood or shutdown, and the target is 0/0/0), that's 300 gold. From there on out, I'm obtaining a CS lead and can now either get dragon (for a minimum of 140 gold) or go to mid and roam, or kill the other laner for another 300 gold.

It's

not

hard to become 775 gold up on the enemy duo lane as ADC if you play it right. Hell, even getting one kill and the obtaining a CS lead is enough to largely negate the cost difference of 1X DBlade BT and 2x DBlade IE.

So...what you're telling me is that if you're better than your opponent, you can have more gold than him? Thanks for that useful piece of information. I always thought gold gain was determined completely at random and that skill had no relevance whatsoever.

\Ani, you're trying to say that random crits will decide a lane when ultimately that's the point lol.
If you run into situations where you think that you're legitimately getting fucked by CRIT CHANCE and not poor play/decisions then come talk.

"I just got chunked by a Draven Crit w/ IE wtf am I supposed to do about that"
Is the problem there crit or Draven? Or is it your inability to control a snowballing AD?

If you're looking at crit chance like they're not going to crit you every single auto then you're going to be left severely disappointed in your decisions.

youmuus will only be favored by people who can make use of the flat pen of brutalizer for more than just autos, otherwise there won't be any reason to build it over Botrk
basically ADs with hard physical damage nukes (graves, sivir, lucian)

In post 31429, MrZepher wrote:youmuus will only be favored by people who can make use of the flat pen of brutalizer for more than just autos, otherwise there won't be any reason to build it over Botrk
basically ADs with hard physical damage nukes (graves, sivir, lucian)

or you know, make use of the active.
all AD carries

you're right

That's why we see botrk bought on every carry for its kiting potential.

oh wait.

the innate problem is that youmuus still has to take a slot, and to make the rest of your build cost effective it has to either be your AS slot (taking over pd/shiv) or your LW slot (no.).

So if you're planning on shitting on people before they can build items then yeah its definitely worth.

In post 31431, MrZepher wrote:you're right

That's why we see botrk bought on every carry for its kiting potential.

oh wait.

oh wait. botrk active is getting nerfed. and youmuu's is getting buffed.

In post 31432, MrZepher wrote:the innate problem is that youmuus still has to take a slot, and to make the rest of your build cost effective it has to either be your AS slot (taking over pd/shiv) or your LW slot (no.).

So if you're planning on shitting on people before they can build items then yeah its definitely worth.

Youmuu's is the most cost effective item in the game with the active up. Now that the active has been buffed to 6 seconds for all champions, a good ADC can make full use of the active. 6 seconds is a long period of time for an ADC to get all that damage in.

And since Youmuu's godly active makes it cost effective AND slot effective, you can replace any item in your build with it and still do damage. (with the exception of IE/LW).

It can replace PD and you'd still be fine.
It can replace your lifesteal item and you'd still be fine. A bit uncomfortable without that lifesteal, but still fine. I mean, AP carries life without lifesteal, why can't you?
It can replace your defensive item for a true glass cannon build and you'll wreck face.

I see no problems with building Ghostblade.

In post 31433, Saki wrote:It can replace your lifesteal item and you'd still be fine. A bit uncomfortable without that lifesteal, but still fine. I mean, AP carries life without lifesteal, why can't you?

Typically AP carries aren't the ones getting focused out and instagibbed unless they're super far ahead.

In post 31434, animorpherv1 wrote:

In post 31433, Saki wrote:It can replace your lifesteal item and you'd still be fine. A bit uncomfortable without that lifesteal, but still fine. I mean, AP carries life without lifesteal, why can't you?

Typically AP carries aren't the ones getting focused out and instagibbed unless they're super far ahead.

Then the enemy team is doing something wrong.

In post 31435, Saki wrote:

In post 31434, animorpherv1 wrote:

In post 31433, Saki wrote:It can replace your lifesteal item and you'd still be fine. A bit uncomfortable without that lifesteal, but still fine. I mean, AP carries life without lifesteal, why can't you?

Typically AP carries aren't the ones getting focused out and instagibbed unless they're super far ahead.

Then the enemy team is doing something wrong.

I mean they're not the (that belongs to the adc), so most of them can get away without lifesteal because they have a longer period of time to output damage. The adc needs lifesteal to survive being jumped on by literally everyone at all times.

oi whoever reported sakis comment calling me fucking stupid should understand who I am.

I really don't care if I'm insulted or not.

tyvm and continue with your show <3

AP carries don't need life steal b/c they don't have to be in the fight as frequently in order to do damage b/c of how spell rotations work (mostly).

Also they tend to have longer range.

It sounds like Ardent Censor isn't working on Thresh anymore. Just Janna, Karma, Nami, Sona, Soraka, Lulu, and Taric.

Hooray.

In post 31299, Saki wrote:

In post 31296, pickemgenius wrote:yo quinns scaling fucking sucks shit.

the best part of her kit is her unreliable fucking passive which is pretty neat at 210 base bonus dmg plus .5 bonus ad. but then again that shit is unreliable as fuck yo aside from vaulting off targets. thats neat I guess. Oh and the passive is DOWN when in BIRD FORM. woo!

I guess 0.65 bonus ad ratio is now considered good?? although blind is kinda good.

fucking ya right bruh.

quinns ult AT MAX damage give AT MOST a +1.0 Bonus AD scaling damage increase.

so wherever these awesome scaling abilities are at holla!


tl;dr quinn fucking sucks as an adc go play her top lane or some shit.

I think you're pretty fucking stupid to say this because the passive IS reliable.
It priorities nearest targets, and low hp targets, prioritizing champions over minions, and gives priority over all to the last champion you autoattacked. Do at least read something about it before you start spouting fucking bullshit you fucking cunt.

It's also a +60MS/+40% AS AUTOATTACK STEROID, THAT IS GOING TO HELP HER SCALING AS AN ADC IMMENSELY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYING

.65 AD on Q, let's assume you'll be ulting them at low hp like you fucking should be with about a .80 AD ratio, let's assume 2 passive hits for a .5 AD ratio x2, AND the extra autoattacks you'll be landing because of her amazing AS steriod.

You think that's "fucking horrible scaling for an adc"?

You're utterly fucking stupid

relaxxx

Psyche plays this game?

I have discovered Kaceytron streams in the previous few days. So wonderful.

It's funnier as an asexual watching it because you get to see the thirst is real from some people! Plus I do think she's a pretty good/funny troll.

(I guess it works too for gays but you can't really judge people on thirst sooo :o)

New IE gives you 37% more autoattack damage for 8% more money than new BT. It also makes your next purchase (zeal) something like 10-20% more effective. If, based on your matchup and the state of the game, you think that a 200 hp shield and 15% lifesteal is worth the tradeoff in damage, build BT, but you should still be building IE first most of the time.

Literally everything that Saki says in this thread is wrong so I'm not sure why people still argue with him. Just ignore him, he'll go away eventually.

In post 31443, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:It's funnier as an asexual watching it because you get to see the thirst is real from some people! Plus I do think she's a pretty good/funny troll.

(I guess it works too for gays but you can't really judge people on thirst sooo )

Offensive to heteros, reported.

I'm not sure why people still argue with him. Just ignore him, he'll go away eventually.

I think the hope is that he goes away quicker if you argue with him. The thought is not that unreasonable.

Wtf why is Riot letting ADCs do damage again.

^This is a real complaint I have about the game. As long as ranged ADCs are completely mandatory on every team in a way that no other class is, they're OP and shouldn't get class-wide buffs :/

(also, while we're at it, Riot needs to buff sustain-damage mages, since Ryze is the only one that's viable right now :/)

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