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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:16 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3144, Nachomamma8 wrote:If AJ flips town, my scumdar is broken and I'll probably try to pull a hard reset. We'll leave the townblock as orc, B&B, Cabd, Ghostlin, GiF. Then we'll split people in the townblock to interrogate other members that they aren't so convinced about, no interventions. Then we make another decision, reform the second ring of the townblock, lynch someone else.
In post 3143, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Aj isn't flipping town SEE THIS IS FAKED CONCERN FOR TOWN

HE SID THE SAME THING WITH 2 too!
In post 3145, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:If you answered my 2 concerns go quote it for me because literally your posts have so much fluff I only ever skim them anymore

@Nacho: Right on. I'm a bit worried with how much he's shutting down, but I still hold the slot is likely scum.
And we all know my scum-dar is borked.


@GIF: Dude, if you can't be arsed to read what I write, then don't ask me things.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:17 pm
by Varsoon
Blah, I called orc Gif.
I am terrible.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:18 pm
by spinachattack
In post 2890, Aj The Epic wrote: I am somewhat between accepting my fate and terribly insulted you think my scum game is this easy to poke out.
Wow, what

I have Nacho, Cabd, sajin, orc, BnB, rach, ghostlin as town
In post 2907, spinachattack wrote:@BnB why do you see Varsoon town? I really don't. His "gambit" that would have lead to a modkill comes across as trying to get a town to self lynch, possibly ending the day and saving 2's ass. That and all the stuff I pointed out in my reads. I'm with you on Metal though. If you think I'm off on Barsoon, could you link me to why?

I still haven't heard from TMT, but I don't want to keep holding my vote. So if he doesn't agree, I guess he can debate me on changing it.
I really am sorry about this, I've been trapped in the hospital with no way to post.
In post 3004, Nachomamma8 wrote: VARSOON DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS TOWNGAMES (EVERY SINGLE ONE)
HE GETS LYNCHED D1
EXCEPT FOR ONE
WHERE I SAID THIS TYPE OF THOUGHT PROCESS CAN'T BE FAKED
IT'S TOO FUCKING CRAZY TO BE FAKED
AND IS THERE REASON FOR HIM TO FAKE IT
NO
HELL NO
UNLESS HE KNOWS I WILL TOWNREAD HIM FOR IT AND I WILL NOT BE AROUND FOREVER
SO IT'S A SHIT SCUM STRATEGY
VARSOON'S SCUMGAME IS BORING
boring as hell
he's sensible, he's too helpful, he doesn't rock the boat
when varsoon is town
he rocks the fuck out of every boat because his thought process is free. he has no reason to keep it inside; it's absolutely everywhere. that's what he is this game. at all.
I really couldn't agree more.

MS has not said anything further about TD
TD has not said anything further about MS

Since like 5 days ago. Ughh
In post 3085, Cabd wrote:
In post 3084, Varsoon wrote:
In post 3081, GuyInFreezer wrote:@cabd : Say that again plz.

I only started posting few hours ago after V/LA.

Catching up.
GIF, can you buy me some pizza?
Now you're just trying to milk nacho's townread of you. No wonder people don't like to play with you.
What is your opinion of Varsoon?
In post 3091, Varsoon wrote:
In post 3085, Cabd wrote: Now you're just trying to milk nacho's townread of you. No wonder people don't like to play with you.
People don't like to play with me because I'm unconventional.
lololol

22 posts since I started my catch up. I'll make a separate p-edit.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:19 pm
by spinachattack
nvm don't have much to say

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:20 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3153, spinachattack wrote:nvm don't have much to say
Will you get me that pizza?


Also, why aren't you reading Andrius as scum?

Who are your top scum candidates?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:23 pm
by Cabd
Spinach, I think these two posts of mine ought to answer your question.

In post 2996, Cabd wrote:
In post 2995, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2994, spinachattack wrote:
In post 2992, Aj The Epic wrote:Wait, like what the fuck do I have to do with that quote chain at all to be mentioned here? I've been staying quiet as to not "Spread wifom" (because god knows none of you would trust my reads until I die anyways), but still: What am I missing that I'm involved here?
I've got this one.
bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking
reads as an attempt to pull people off your wagon to pile on his. He's giving himself up in your defense. The only motivation I can see for that is that he knows your role and it's more important than his. Since a good many people see both you guys as scum, logic would be you have a scum PR.
I really hope AJ is a scum PR.

Also, do you -really- think I'm trying to make myself a lynch target when I've got a vote on AJ?

:P





Your play this game advocates a(n)

( ) insightful ( ) interesting (X) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to fighting scum. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from meta to meta.)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.
(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It violates the mod’s rules.
(X) It will get townies killed
(X) It requires scum to be stupid
( ) It does not account for the closed nature of the setup
(X) Your solution speculates at the setup
(X) The townbloc won’t put up with it
(X) Requires too much cooperation from scum
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) The town cannot afford the risk.
(X) Scum will see it coming ten miles away
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Rules expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
(X) Nobody trusts you
(X) Unpopularity of new gambits
(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics
(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
(X) Willingness of players to give you a chance
(X) People who hate your play
(X) Scum safeclaims given by mod
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(X) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(X) Flavor Gambits suck
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?
( ) Incompatiblity with the current player base
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
In post 2989, Cabd wrote:
In post 2988, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 2984, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2983, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 2981, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2979, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.
Oh my GOD.
bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking
wondering if aj is another scum special role tbh

I mean LOOK AT THAT POST
Which is exactly why we're going AJ first, varsoon second. Unless we revisit key/whoeeveritisnow tomrorow

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:24 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
In post 3131, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:See the thing that is ticking me off he most (strangely) is the pizza thing, right now

Do you see how forced it looks

It is obviously scum trying artificially to mimick something he thinks he will get towncred for

Ffs
it is a food tell and yes, I think it is lynchworthy

in the old times food tells where nearly always scummy but I once tried to get rach lynched on a food tell and she was town.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:25 pm
by Cabd
In post 3156, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 3131, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:See the thing that is ticking me off he most (strangely) is the pizza thing, right now

Do you see how forced it looks

It is obviously scum trying artificially to mimick something he thinks he will get towncred for

Ffs
it is a food tell and yes, I think it is lynchworthy

in the old times food tells where nearly always scummy but I once tried to get rach lynched on a food tell and she was town.
Comon molly, at least you see it right? The fake breadcrumbing? He's doing every possible thing he can to get towncred.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:26 pm
by TiphaineDeath
Leaving for rehearshal nowish, will try to do a thorough readthrough of AJ tonight in the after.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:26 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
...food tell?

I thought it was a typo for good tell but then you wrote it twice

Lol I did not know there was a name for that

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:30 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
I really want TD and MS to be speaking about their votes right now.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:31 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
aww man pulling a fferyllt

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:32 pm
by spinachattack
WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:34 pm
by Varsoon
@Cabd: If I was worried about getting towncred, I'd play like I do in my scum games. I'm not concerned with that shit.

Let's catch scum.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:36 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
In post 3141, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3127, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I really really think andy is scum
Do you want to talk with me about it?
he isn't getting as close as I would like and he probably has no idea what I am looking for. that could either way wrt alignment. his first big long post that fery called a "thing of townish beauty" set off alarm bells in my head cos after bili's very first break and re-entrance into mafia he made a post nearly identical and snuck past fery and went on to win the game. I asked fery about it cos I was wondering if she saw it in the same light but the "townish" thing really set off my scumdar cos that was not calling him town it was implying that they
seemed
town and felt like distancing. and both of the 2 heads strangely left andy alone.

the problem is, is that andy should be letting down his guard with me and he wants to but he isn't which infers that he has something to hide. his thought processes are not transparent and seem choppily strung together and he is getting defensive at weird times.

he feels like scum to me.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:39 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
In post 3159, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:...food tell?

I thought it was a typo for good tell but then you wrote it twice

Lol I did not know there was a name for that
yeah, it isn't a reliable tell and probably outdated but you can sometimes still catch out newb scum with it.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:39 pm
by Cabd
In post 3162, spinachattack wrote:WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho
Go pull his ISO, look for role claiming in the most recent 30 posts or so. Look carefully, and you'll see it.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:44 pm
by BeautyAndTheBeast
I would like you to spell it out for me cabd

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:44 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3166, Cabd wrote:
In post 3162, spinachattack wrote:WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho
Go pull his ISO, look for role claiming in the most recent 30 posts or so. Look carefully, and you'll see it.
See what?
Dude, I think you're thinking way too hard about things.
If you can quote a post and make a case, go for it,
But the only thing I've claimed so far is town. :3

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:45 pm
by spinachattack
In post 3166, Cabd wrote:
In post 3162, spinachattack wrote:WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho
Go pull his ISO, look for role claiming in the most recent 30 posts or so. Look carefully, and you'll see it.
no need to be vague about it

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:46 pm
by Cabd
I feel like varsoon is crumbing bulletproof.

There was the offhand comment abotut it, and then post after post about:
Buy
Pizza

Where plenty of other things could have been requested etc. It's too forced to be accidental imo.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:47 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3170, Cabd wrote:I feel like varsoon is crumbing bulletproof.

There was the offhand comment abotut it, and then post after post about:
Buy
Pizza

Where plenty of other things could have been requested etc. It's too forced to be accidental imo.
Ooooh, I see what you mean here.
Nah, I said I wasn't going to be killed last night because I was a dumb target for scum.
Furthermore, pizza is the only thing that'll deliver to my address.

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
Why

Would you point that out

If he was BP congrats now scum knows

If he is scum congrats you gave him a fakeclaim

Cabd shut up

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
No Cabd

It's too forced TO BE TOWN

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3172, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why

Would you point that out

If he was BP congrats now scum knows

If he is scum congrats you gave him a fakeclaim

Cabd shut up
It's k, I'm not bulletproof.