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Post Post #3150 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:38 pm

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reading this now brb
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Post Post #3151 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:07 pm

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I'm not appeasing Thor?

not in the slightest, I'm wondering why he's bringing up us scum-reading him when I'm currently putting that to the side. I'm asking him why he is asking a question with no current relevance to how I see him now, and a question that isn't really going to be productive in scum-hunting. It's forcing me to talk about a has-been read on him over a current read.

and the scum motivation for pushing people who are obviously playing anti-town? especially early on in the game, as well as people who havn't posted a whole lot and aren't entirely active?

because, going for an easy lynch is a major motivation. Harping on the things Thor was harping on is an easy way to look like you are scum-hunting when you aren't in reality, it's a real easy way to look town which is why I'm wary of people when they push bad lynches

and sure enough, the ones he advocated the most
were
anti-town reads over actually scummy actions. He still hasn't really explained what anything any of those people did were scummy, and he still didn't explain his read on Mastin and Aj


Right now?

I'm thinking

TIP, RC, AD, and maybe Metal Sonic

and, I kinda lost my town-read on you based on your over-interaction with Nero. I don't see how you could have saw post 3140 as anything other than a question, it almost feels like you have something to hide.

all of TIP's recent posts feel incredibly forced and I don't have any kind of idea where his town-reads lie, Except for maybe RC (though that's based on the fact that he's voting us for voting him and I don't know why he's town-reading us) and that is usually apparent at this time. This question to us voting RC looks forced, his questioning of NBH looks forced, and his interaction with Sonic is minimal. The fact that he's voting for someone who he doesn't think is scum? is kinda strange. It's teetering the line between scum and town TIP

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Post Post #3152 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:17 pm

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Actiondan – town
Aj-the epic – slightly scum : not contributing, generally one liners of fluff, except for #2781 which is good
Amrun – town, assertive, asks relevant questions, trying to hunt scum(but lacking imo)
Bork –leaning town, trying to hunt scum, strong mod(lol), although lots of fluff but still <3
Desperado: scum – flip floppy reads, throwing shit at people(the only reason I take note of you is because you pushing me), multiple fluffs too
Ellibereth: scum – extremely fluffy, full of shit, poor contributions, holy shit this is poor
VOTE: ellibereth
Gif: nulltown – posts less than me. Auto town points bonus because giffy starts with additional town points
Jon doe slightly scum – lol is the other head sakura hana? Anyway poor posting and minimal contributions on the slot make me uneasy
Majiffy: leaning town, like bork he’s pretty fluffy but town vibe so yes
Mastin2: town: lots of contributions. Wallposts. Nuff said
Mattp: leaning town hi you were in HxH right? Nice to meet you. Apparently not as assertive in Hxh but I get town vibes so leaning town
OGML:scum: oh get on my level pls so much fluff its unreadable
Redcoyote: town – lots of contributions. Wallposts that are good. More town than mastin
Sangres: prob scum – I never see nacho or ffery so fluffy before
Sugar cain: leaning town – trying to hunt scum but kind of fluffy so only a leaning town
Tip: town: same as gif but he posted more so extra town
Thor: town: actively hunting scum, contributing a lot, p town
Trust fund: leaning town: actively hunting scum, asks relevant questions, but the hydra dissonance kinda :/





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Post Post #3153 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:22 pm

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...

Is that really reads on everyone, including dead people, as well as a vote on a dead person?
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Post Post #3154 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:27 pm

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oh look that shit took 45 mins
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Post Post #3155 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:52 pm

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+1 Metal Sonic
But seriously Mara, let's dance
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With that being said, I think the forced feel you get is me posting from my phone but meh
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Post Post #3156 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:04 am

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your posts look forced because you pretend to have a post restriction^
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Post Post #3157 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:07 am

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Uh, what?
just the tIP
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Post Post #3158 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:00 am

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oh what i meant to say was

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Post Post #3159 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:19 am

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Nero wrote:I found, what looks like to me, a contradiction and am therefore questioning you about it. Though I did assume that you had a town read on RC, is that incorrect?
Not 5 pages ago (probably less) you can see my null read on RC. It doesn't even matter though because the fact that I didn't comment on RC -> you interaction imparts a high probability that I didn't see it (I didn't), and you cannot claim I am contradicting myself when I have never once remarked on it at all; this is dishonest. The town thing to do there is to ask me about it objectively instead of claiming that I've given an opinion on it that I have not.
In post 3151, Sugar Cain wrote:not in the slightest, I'm wondering why he's bringing up us scum-reading him when I'm currently putting that to the side. I'm asking him why he is asking a question with no current relevance to how I see him now, and a question that isn't really going to be productive in scum-hunting. It's forcing me to talk about a has-been read on him over a current read.
People are entitled to explanations for reads at earlier points in the game, even if you have asserted that you have changed it since.
This is done for the reason of reading the person who made the read. I feel like this should be self-evident.
Mara wrote:and the scum motivation for pushing people who are obviously playing anti-town? especially early on in the game, as well as people who havn't posted a whole lot and aren't entirely active?

because, going for an easy lynch is a major motivation. Harping on the things Thor was harping on is an easy way to look like you are scum-hunting when you aren't in reality, it's a real easy way to look town which is why I'm wary of people when they push bad lynches

and sure enough, the ones he advocated the most were anti-town reads over actually scummy actions. He still hasn't really explained what anything any of those people did were scummy, and he still didn't explain his read on Mastin and Aj
This is treacherously close to a completely semantic argument; where do you draw the line between 'anti-town' and 'scummy' and how was thor clearly in the former camp? Back up what you're saying. Is not explaining reads tantamount to voting them for 'being anti-town but not scum?" otherwise I don't see how this ties in to the comment I made.
Mara wrote:and, I kinda lost my town-read on you based on your over-interaction with Nero. I don't see how you could have saw post 3140 as anything other than a question, it almost feels like you have something to hide.
...really now.
Let's go over that sequence again:

: Nero posts an entirely unsolicited request to have me look at TIP's scum game (ergo it is apparent to me he is scumreading TIP). I think it does look similar in posting style to this game and say so.
: Nero injects meaning into that by asking me a leading question about what I think about TIP for it. Say whatever you want, but 3139 did not say "yes, and he's probably scum here too".

Now it's possible he honestly improperly inferred that, but the leading question combined with the lack of an opinion of his own about the similarity between that game and this one had me do a double take. As I am reading now, he also did not follow up on the town game of TIP's I linked; meta is more powerful when you look at 1) more games and 2) both alignments so if he's honestly trying to figure that out and not pushing an agenda then he should have no problem diving into that.

But no I'm sure I "have something to hide." What now, might that be that you're diving from what I said in my interaction with Nero? Go ahead and point to the nugget of truth in the big ball of mud you just flung at me.

Thor: you'll have a sheep in me at some point. mastin is still where I want to be right now.
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Post Post #3160 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:07 am

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In post 3128, Sugar Cain wrote:I think it would be pretty bastardly to give only the town ways to interact with the horde. I really hate it that you are dancing around this possibility when its seems like common sense.

I also hate the fact that you are seemingly defending NBH but also arguing and calling it scum.
No, you are implying that NBH has to be a scum herder. I am saying that there could very easily be a scum herder in addition to NBH and Toog.

As I've said at least three times already and will continue to say as long as I keep being misrepresented. I see NBH as town based on their claim alone, but there's also something to be said for them taking credit for the chess kill. Now, maybe they're just bsing and chess was killed by pure coincidence so they jumped on it, but you have to look at it from the perspective of "what are the odds" and make an educated decision. bork had a pretty good argument on Michonne being a fakeclaim, but that's just a tough pill for me to swallow. Michonne is pretty damn central to the plot. Arguably the fourth most important character of Season 3 behind Rick, Carl, and maybe Daryl/Glenn.
Sugar 3130 wrote:I disagree with you Mastin scum-read yes, and I don't think you have a valid reason for thinking he's scum

I also slightly disagree with your AD scum-read and I'm kinda with Mastin on the "Chess calling out his buddies the way he did" stance.

Titus is pretty obviously town at this juncture, why you would scum-read him is pretty strange

and Bork is a shifty read
Fair enough. I didn't realize you held such wide ranging contrarian stances here. I think you're running next to solo on those AD/mastin reads.

Really... I just want to lynch Metal Sonic. I'll be much more agreeable to listening to others and shifting my vote around if we can get this done. Metal Sonic is scum, scum, scum.
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Post Post #3161 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:15 am

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In post 3119, mastin2 wrote:TIP and AD both defending Elli reinforces them being scum, by the way.
Is there a reason you're ignoring me?
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Post Post #3162 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:31 am

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In post 3161, sangres wrote:
In post 3119, mastin2 wrote:TIP and AD both defending Elli reinforces them being scum, by the way.
Is there a reason you're ignoring me?
Where is your head at right now?
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Post Post #3163 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:42 am

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Post #2571.
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Post Post #3164 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:26 am

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In post 2537, mastin2 wrote:*"Wait, does that mean you have a scumread on Elli, now?" A mild one, yes. His claimed PR is enough where I'm not going to lynch him today, but he's definitely not a townread. But I can't emphasize this enough: Elli shouldn't be lynched with that claimed PR. He's lying? He still has to fake results, and fake them believably. He's telling the truth? We don't want him lynched. He's probably lying, yeah, but I'm not willing to risk it today.
Defending a claimed PR is the farthest thing from scummy, Mastin.
In post 2548, TheIrishPope wrote:I think elli as scum would have self hammered, can anyone back that up or destroy it with meta?
Can you explain why you thought this?
In post 2571, sangres wrote:^^ second post is an amisihed. Would lynch him for this alone.
I skimmed Amrun's thoughts on this being an Amished, and I agree that hers is closer to the original. My personal Amished is more along the lines of a comment on a predecessor being scummy or bad without really doing anything else. What can be an offhand comment of "oh, this is why I'm getting votes" becomes writing off predecessor's scumminess as just "bad" or "hey! I see what you guys are seeing with why my predecessor was scummy but he just isn't scum!". His next bit is a criticism of Amrun's claim re: Toog for "being so reckless", and while it suggests he thought Amrun was town it's a completely useless question and doesn't actually provide anything to the thread. What I am also not seeing here that differs from town Metal Sonic is his usual confidence in his reads (or reads that he's willing to push, in general). His only read pushed so far is an ellibereth push after ellibereth was dead and he somehow doesn't catch onto ellibereth being dead after someone points it out...?
In post 2624, MattP wrote:VOTE: Sangres

This is a lynch I can agree with
Why did you find us scummy?
In post 2726, Thor665 wrote:I thought Pitolli looked pretty darn town.
Is the paranoia still your only reason? Because that's a pretty poor reason.
In post 2894, RedCoyote wrote:I strongly doubt anything Metal Sonic could say would change my opinion of him.
:/
This generally isn't a very good sign.
In post 3006, Titus wrote:OGML (a vig) suspected me and couldn't get me lynched. Therefore, he'd likely shoot me.

I'm still alive. So that means doc healed me or vig didn't shoot me.

Doc wouldn't likely heal me due to the information I'd give and my claim of VT. Therefore, vig didn't shoot me.
I'm thinking this is town as fuck, honestly. What kind of scum antagonizes the vig like this before they know who they shot?
In post 3038, MattP wrote:What does a town baiter do?
baby can you be a tiny bit less useless?
In post 3111, RedCoyote wrote:Another point: What's the reason the Metal Sonic wagon did not take off as an alternative to scumElli? Because they were both scum, perhaps. Think about it.
Or because Elli was strong scum and people were pretty clearly going to lynch him and scum didn't want to stick their necks out to save them?
In post 3130, Sugar Cain wrote:Holy fuck, TIP why do you have to be scum?

why?
If you think TiP is scum, why aren't you voting him?
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Post Post #3165 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:26 am

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In post 2537, mastin2 wrote:*"Wait, does that mean you have a scumread on Elli, now?" A mild one, yes. His claimed PR is enough where I'm not going to lynch him today, but he's definitely not a townread. But I can't emphasize this enough: Elli shouldn't be lynched with that claimed PR. He's lying? He still has to fake results, and fake them believably. He's telling the truth? We don't want him lynched. He's probably lying, yeah, but I'm not willing to risk it today.
Defending a claimed PR is the farthest thing from scummy, Mastin.
In post 2548, TheIrishPope wrote:I think elli as scum would have self hammered, can anyone back that up or destroy it with meta?
Can you explain why you thought this?
In post 2571, sangres wrote:^^ second post is an amisihed. Would lynch him for this alone.
I skimmed Amrun's thoughts on this being an Amished, and I agree that hers is closer to the original. My personal Amished is more along the lines of a comment on a predecessor being scummy or bad without really doing anything else. What can be an offhand comment of "oh, this is why I'm getting votes" becomes writing off predecessor's scumminess as just "bad" or "hey! I see what you guys are seeing with why my predecessor was scummy but he just isn't scum!". His next bit is a criticism of Amrun's claim re: Toog for "being so reckless", and while it suggests he thought Amrun was town it's a completely useless question and doesn't actually provide anything to the thread. What I am also not seeing here that differs from town Metal Sonic is his usual confidence in his reads (or reads that he's willing to push, in general). His only read pushed so far is an ellibereth push after ellibereth was dead and he somehow doesn't catch onto ellibereth being dead after someone points it out...?
In post 2624, MattP wrote:VOTE: Sangres

This is a lynch I can agree with
Why did you find us scummy?
In post 2726, Thor665 wrote:I thought Pitolli looked pretty darn town.
Is the paranoia still your only reason? Because that's a pretty poor reason.
In post 2894, RedCoyote wrote:I strongly doubt anything Metal Sonic could say would change my opinion of him.
:/
This generally isn't a very good sign.
In post 3006, Titus wrote:OGML (a vig) suspected me and couldn't get me lynched. Therefore, he'd likely shoot me.

I'm still alive. So that means doc healed me or vig didn't shoot me.

Doc wouldn't likely heal me due to the information I'd give and my claim of VT. Therefore, vig didn't shoot me.
I'm thinking this is town as fuck, honestly. What kind of scum antagonizes the vig like this before they know who they shot?
In post 3038, MattP wrote:What does a town baiter do?
baby can you be a tiny bit less useless?
In post 3111, RedCoyote wrote:Another point: What's the reason the Metal Sonic wagon did not take off as an alternative to scumElli? Because they were both scum, perhaps. Think about it.
Or because Elli was strong scum and people were pretty clearly going to lynch him and scum didn't want to stick their necks out to save them?
In post 3130, Sugar Cain wrote:Holy fuck, TIP why do you have to be scum?

why?
If you think TiP is scum, why aren't you voting him?
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Post Post #3166 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:38 am

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@sangres, what is being Amnished? You mention it in regards to 2571 on your wall. I'd like to know that to understand what you wrote.
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Post Post #3167 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:39 am

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In post 3153, Sugar Cain wrote:...

Is that really reads on everyone, including dead people, as well as a vote on a dead person?
This sounds lifted from the mafia chat but back night 1, when I was still in the hydra. How could anyone who has read the game at all think Jon is still in the game?

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Post Post #3168 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:51 am

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In post 3167, Titus wrote:
In post 3153, Sugar Cain wrote:...

Is that really reads on everyone, including dead people, as well as a vote on a dead person?
This sounds lifted from the mafia chat but back night 1, when I was still in the hydra. How could anyone who has read the game at all think Jon is still in the game?
What is this? Did you not see MS' post?
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Post Post #3169 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:51 am

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In post 3168, Sugar Cain wrote:
In post 3167, Titus wrote:
In post 3153, Sugar Cain wrote:...

Is that really reads on everyone, including dead people, as well as a vote on a dead person?
This sounds lifted from the mafia chat but back night 1, when I was still in the hydra. How could anyone who has read the game at all think Jon is still in the game?
What is this? Did you not see MS' post?
I did and I was agreeing with you. MS's so called reads are utter crap.
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Post Post #3170 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:53 am

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And also, the reason Mara didn't switch our vote is 'cause we are both scum reading RC.

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Post Post #3171 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:53 am

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And also, the reason Mara didn't switch our vote is 'cause we are both scum reading RC.

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Post Post #3172 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:27 am

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In post 3152, Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: ellibereth
YOU'RE TOO SLOW
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Post Post #3173 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:53 am

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Post Post #3174 (ISO) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:37 am

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In post 3127, OhGodMyLife wrote:Fucking hell I wish my shot at Mastin last night would have gone through
-Why did you shoot at me?
-Why do you think your shot didn't go through? I can tell you, I have no way of stopping a kill on me.
-What do you think of ActionDan apparently thinking you were going to make that kill?

Yes, I have a good reason for these questions.
In post 3134, TheIrishPope wrote:Hey, guys, remember how I called Mastin scum yesterday, and now he suddenly has a magical scum read on me?
Hey, guys, remember how I had a scumread on TIP's slot before it was occupied by TIP (1516 will show this) and suddenly he had a scumread on me? Yeaaaah...
sangres wrote:Is there a reason you're ignoring me?
I'm not? Not as far as I can tell, anyway. :P I've been reading your posts; did I miss something?

I'll see if I can get those revised reads up today. No promises; it depends on whether I feel like posting in this game again or not, today.
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