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Hi kaze. You comfirmed. Please pat yourself on the back.

Mollie how's the invention treating you? I expect a cop report in your next post

I'm extremely busy guys, trying to keep up with shit as I get up to go to school. I'll past later today.

I didn't get an invention

Alright, cool. Glad I (probably) don't have to worry about Kaze anymore. In the meantime, here's why we should lynch Venmar today!

In post 160, Cephrir wrote:

In post 140, Venmar wrote:That flashwagon actually was one of the worst things i've seen.

Vote: Metal Sonic

It was, and I'm sure there was a bad vote on it, but I don't really think it's this one. It's quite in character.

Cephrir and Venmar talk about the early Brian Skies L-1 wagon. Cephrir says that there was "a" bad vote on it (Flandre), and quick early-game wagons are usually Town-driven in my experience, so this suggests that Flandre was the token Scum player on the wagon while the rest of the team was off the wagon.

In post 398, Cephrir wrote:

In post 395, Venmar wrote:Cephrir do you think Metal Sonic is scum?

No.

In post 406, Cephrir wrote:

In post 399, Venmar wrote::/

Who is then?

My "reasonably strong scumreads" category currently consists of mastin.

But there are a

lot

of players who haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them yet, including you.

Engaging each other on a safe topic of conversation ("Is Metal Sonic Scum?"), which leads to Cephrir casually mentioning that he doesn't have a strong read on Venmar even though that was never in question.

In post 576, Cephrir wrote:

In post 560, Venmar wrote:@Pie - OMG I ALSO LOVE HOW YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED LOLOLOLOL

Sorry I don't want to talk to you anymore, it's giving me a migraine.

Vote:Pieguyn

This might be a scumpost. When I ragequit talking to someone there is a lot more rage and less quit.

"Might be." Keeping his options open so it won't look weird if he has to bus Venmar later on down the line.

In post 651, Cephrir wrote:I haven't read all these posts yet but I fucking told you pie was town

Venmar is scum for suggesting otherwise

And yet, no vote? No push on Venmar? No effort to assert with any sort of conviction that Venmar is Scum and needs to be lynched? Distancing.

In post 709, Cephrir wrote:

In post 690, Venmar wrote:"Oh this guy thinks i'm scum and he thinks this other person on my townreads is scum... THIS GUY IS SHIT AT THIS GAME AND IS NOT CREDIBLE ANYMORE"

yeah ok i need some air before i go all caps.

This ATE is materializing out of thin air for no discernible reason and I think it's poppycock.

I'm going to say that more, so brace yourselves.

"Venmar is Scum." *doesn't vote for Venmar*

In post 763, Cephrir wrote:

In post 741, sangres wrote:

In post 736, Venmar wrote:yeah i just got hard ignored.

I've been scumreading you, but your last few posts have had more of a town feel to them.

I don't think they do =(

"Venmar is Scum." *doesn't vote for Venmar*

In post 765, Cephrir wrote:It is worth noting, though, that I don't see a hypothetical scum neighbor benefiting from going after their neighbors... that would make them look worse once said hypothetical neighbors flipped town.

This looks like Cephrir is trying to advise Venmar to ease up on his unrelenting tunneling of Metal Sonic because Cephrir knows that Metal Sonic flipping Town will end up hurting Venmar in the long run.

In post 1054, Cephrir wrote:Venmar- has rubbed me the wrong way at times (and I think you were the one who threatened me with a mutual scumread which I hated?) but nonetheless his neighbors are scummier

Now Venmar is no longer the scummiest member of the three-person neighborhood even though nothing of significance happened to change this view?

1054 is a good post to analyze in general. Cephrir was nice enough to split up his reads into four categories (five if you count Mastin's one-person category), and lists Flandre and SSK in separate groups. Seems logical to think that he'd put his three partners into three separate categories, which means that the last Scum player is either in the Town group (Pidgey) or the ??? group (Venmar or ActionDan).

In post 1077, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1074, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 651, Cephrir wrote:I haven't read all these posts yet but I fucking told you pie was town

Venmar is scum for suggesting otherwise

Why did you say that Venmar is Scum for doubting Pieguy's Bodyguard claim? What does Scum-Venmar have to gain by persisting with his suspicion of Pieguy after the claim?

I didn't believe anyone could read that ATE post and not declare pieguy town. Since then, I've seen a decent number of others continue suspecting him, so I must conclude it's possible.

Also, yes, this is true, nothing. Pieguy isn't getting lynched. However, I can imagine how it could be useful to scum. It gives them someone to talk about suspecting who will not go away fro quite some time and yet will also not survive the entire game. It keeps him in the public eye for possible lynching if he doesn't get a successful protect off in some arbitrary amount of time.

"Venmar is Scum." *doesn't vote for Venmar*

In post 1242, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1150, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 1077, Cephrir wrote:I didn't believe anyone could read that ATE post and not declare pieguy town. Since then, I've seen a decent number of others continue suspecting him, so I must conclude it's possible.

Possible that Pieguy is actually Scum or possible that other players doubt him? You make it sound like you suspect him just because others do.

In post 1077, Cephrir wrote:Also, yes, this is true, nothing. Pieguy isn't getting lynched. However, I can imagine how it could be useful to scum. It gives them someone to talk about suspecting who will not go away fro quite some time and yet will also not survive the entire game. It keeps him in the public eye for possible lynching if he doesn't get a successful protect off in some arbitrary amount of time.

So you think Pieguy is Town and Venmar is Scum who is setting him up for a future mislynch. Is that correct?

Re: point 1; possible that other players doubt him. I still don't suspect him, but I have concluded it's not ridiculous someone could do so because enough people are doing it that they can't all be scum.

I did think that, but I don't really anymore. Venmar could almost be town for being the first to doubt it, in hindsight, because it seems like a risky position. I thought he was trying to keep pieguy as a mislynch option, but he's not really focusing on it and seems willing to let him eventually die to night actions.

I ask Cephrir directly if he thinks Venmar is Scum and he gives me a wishy-washy non-answer -- almost as though he doesn't want to say anything that could potentially incriminate a partner.

The second half of that last sentence also looks like more coaching from Cephrir, like he's telling Venmar to focus his attention elsewhere and let the Pieguy problem resolve itself in time.

In post 3155, ActionDan wrote:Hi kaze. You comfirmed. Please pat yourself on the back.

Eh? o.o

Ohh, right. I was JK'd.

I'll totes sheep this vote, btw.

VOTE: Venmar

I'll hammer myself if it comes down to it I guess, but all I can say right now is that I am town and I fucked up with Metal Sonic, but I won't defend myself because I don't have a way to considering it's all coming from Cephrir. He's probably chuckling in the dead QT right now in how he has either his scumbuddy or a town chump misinterpreting him and getting me mislynched.

Also it's really sad to say when I say that the only people right now I think are town is Sangres and Kaze. I have some small leaning town reads on some other people but i'm too paranoid to mark anyone else as firm town. I'll have to sort my reads later.

you should mark me as firm town, for i am both town AND firm

you look pretty flaccid to me

In post 3164, Venmar wrote:I'll hammer myself if it comes down to it I guess, but all I can say right now is that I am town and I fucked up with Metal Sonic, but I won't defend myself because I don't have a way to considering it's all coming from Cephrir. He's probably chuckling in the dead QT right now in how he has either his scumbuddy or a town chump misinterpreting him and getting me mislynched.

Was Cephrir the one who told you to focus entirely on Metal Sonic? Do you think that Metal Sonic flipping Town is the only reason you're under a microscope right now? Is your opinion of me still so unclear (it's Day 6, dude) that you can't decide whether I'm Scum or just a Town chump?

If you want to convince me to back off, you'll have to do a better job than that. If you're not Scum, then who is?

I am

waiting

waiting

waiting

for sangres

In post 3167, Skullduggery wrote:If you want to convince me to back off, you'll have to do a better job than that. If you're not Scum, then who is?

Didn't I say i would sort my reads? And Cephrir didn't tell me anything, if you're trying to imply that you're voting me for anything else other than Cephrir's interaction with me then sorry but that's how it looks like, so i'll focus on it.

I had Muffin down as strong town, as well mas Mastin2. But for some reason, I am starting to doubt myself on when he claimed Innocent Child, I saw that as a townish move but now not so much? As with Mastin2, he ticked me off with the BS he suggested last day, damaged my townread of him while making me think his quieter play later in this game might be reflective of his scummeta, idk. ActionDan I am just very paranoid of every game because I cannot seem to be able to read him. Skull I though was somewhat town but of course my doubts there stem from AP's scumread on him. Mollie, well, Mollie is Mollie, she's usually town but just very tough to deal with for me.

I understand I am all over the place right now, but I was inactive earlier in the game and now I am paying for it, I apologize I guess? Lynch me if I am a roleblock to town progress, i'll try to get my shit sorted over the next few days.

So, I guess this is where I stand:

Kaze, me, and Sangres are town.
I am leaning town on Muffin and Mollie.
Null on ActionDan
Leaning scum on Mastin2 and Skullduggery.

OK so I'm here, have not read the thread, I am KAZURUIRMIRU.



I suspect I will revote, but want to at least try to skim the thread first.

Highlights appreciated.

venmar

unless you think both mafiassk AND AD-scum targeted sangres with something N1 (which i suppose is *possible* but highly unlikely), AD is probably town

and i'm town

your reads list would be similar to mine if you switched AD and mollie. except i think mollie is a lot more likely to be scum than mastin