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Be honest, Gamma, were you scum?

He was not.

Fuuuuuck.

Well... I'm sorry...

You couldn't log on for a hammer for a full week?

I have been voting Gamma since morning
You thought I am partners with PP?
DVa, please tell me that you are a town, I am going to sleep.

I am town

Now I can sleep peacefully.

Thank you.

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Penguin any compelling reasons to think you're town or that Nako is scum?

Not at the moment. You?

I can think of a few reasons you're likely scum and a few reasons Nako is likely town but if you're town it would really help if you gave me some reason to think you're town. You townpinged me exactly once this game and Nako has said a few things that simply baffled me but unless there's something I'm missing here I'm probably going to vote you.

Oh...I meant compelling reasons why you are Town and Nako scum...

What did Nako say that baffled you?

Alright let's reread a bit. Nako page 1.

In post 17, Nako wrote:Can everyone give me what alignment do they prefer and describe their scumgame with few sentences?

In post 19, Nako wrote:I don't prefer alignment either, and I like doing derps and i like pocketing as scum. It is not that easy for me to play scum though, I usually freeze. But i do weird things as scum, they are just more incosistent than my town play.

Liked this for Nako early game

In post 933, Nako wrote:

Townish feelings from:

DDl, Gamma, DVa-chan, Kokichi Oma, OkaPoka

Probably town but hard to sort:

Almost50, Joey (If they are seriously mason, locktown with kokichi)

Feels somehow scummy but can be just the meta:

Tchill, PP

Scum in here:

Radja, Seph
I don't have a BEF read yet (a small scumlean actually but may change).

This is an unfortunate list, but maybe right on PP and one in bottom 4 isn't bad considering what the other three down there were playing like. And the Gamma townread was explained. Listing DDL as townread #1 is a bit odd given:

In post 929, Nako wrote:Meh.
DDl posting joke games are probably townish but who knows.

This was last preceding comment, but sometimes these sudden swings in read can be town indicative. (Not always tho)

In post 1473, Nako wrote:

In post 1466, skitter30 wrote:

BrightEyedFish died. He was a

Spoiler:

vanilla townie

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LOL, SCUM IS BAD.

a bit lamist but really does this post ever come from scum?

In post 1536, Nako wrote:If I'm anything but watcher, I visited BEF and they came up as VT/Town member/nothing yet.

If I'm watcher, I was blocked.

This is one of the things that baffled me; it's such a weird choice in hypo but I mean I guess hypo is meant to just throw off scum and try to eat a nightkill so...

OK, Nako page 2

In post 2405, Nako wrote:Mew > kokichi > seph > oka > dva > gamma > pp > ofhrz > a50 > me
Wins the game i think.

why was PP above Gamma at this point in time? If you can remember that far back?

In post 2812, Nako wrote:VOTE: Sephiroth

In post 2875, Nako wrote:Seph can't possibly be town if he is thinking I would push DDl like that as partners. I am Nako the angel, not busser.

This does not read like scum to me

In post 2951, Nako wrote:I mean, Sephiroth is claimimg a vig and no night had 2 kills (plus he shot Almost50 instead of me, which is ???)
I am pretty sure that he is the scum among the PR claims.

In post 2953, Nako wrote:VOTE: Sephiroth

In post 2958, Nako wrote:OMG my mind was left with yesterday's majority, sorry!

So this would have to be open wolfing but

In post 2959, Nako wrote:

In post 2953, Nako wrote:VOTE: Sephiroth

even if open wolfing, does a open wolf ever do this reaction gif to someone they know flips town?

In post 3015, Nako wrote:DVa, I agree with what you are saying about Kokichi. A miller + A GF would HEAVILY be scumsided and not normal game.

So I kinda wonder whether scum would ever agree with my incorrect logic that scum doctor would be scumsided

In post 3028, Nako wrote:If we have 1 JK + 1 Vig + 1 Voyeur + 1 GS, I think a scum Doctor can be somehow possible. I returned back to 0 about Kokichi.

I guess she did come back around to it though

In post 3032, Nako wrote:I think PP might flip Mafia Rolecop/Neap.

This is one of the posts that baffles me

In post 3036, Nako wrote:Does not really matter who did they attack. They did now know Kokichi was fake mason at that moment.

Also very confusing

In post 3126, Nako wrote:

In post 3125, Kokichi Oma wrote:

In post 3113, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay can we note how previously Nako was pretty much confbiasing towards DVa but is not confbiasing towards me? Also, in general Nako wanting to lynch one of us before FHerPOV confscum Penguin is sketchy. I had noticed that around the time I asked Nako who she wanted to lynch. I was hoping to get a response before dropping that but it seems it won’t happen for a long time.
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I need to think here. It’d be really weird if DVa wasn’t scum, but I don’t recall Kokichi being very active today so it’s possible it’s Nako + Kokichi.

uh, you realize that dva is confirmed scum to you right. if it was me and nako then we would have both voted you when we were on. same with pp and either of us.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Follow me fast, buddy.

Why did both of you start wifoming so much at the end of that day lool

In post 3142, Nako wrote:GG

Don't know what to do with this lol

In post 3155, Nako wrote:I have been voting Gamma since morning
You thought I am partners with PP?
DVa, please tell me that you are a town, I am going to sleep.

In post 3157, Nako wrote:Now I can sleep peacefully.

Thank you.

Hope you slept well, for a bit I was surprised we got fast night since you were passing out, but I guess since Skitter did the flip only 5 minutes after you were still on.

So, a few points of bafflement, the risk of open wolfing on Sephiroth wagon, but beyond that there's several points here that seem unlikely to come from scum

DVa, I checked few of your scumgames and in one of them, you survived to LyLo and lynched someone that is not your partner.
I think you like powerwolfing and I don't see why would you not vote PP when I told you to if you were bussing Gamma.
I actually think you would vote PP at LyLo if you were scum with Gamma so I will vote PP very soon.

DVa, I made that post based on how likely someone is scum with DDl after checking their interactions. PP had few weird interactions (was not likely SvS but now I think those were scum theatre) so that's why he was on the back so much.

Also, since scum had a doctor (Which always counters GS and Vigilante), I'd expect there to be another low powered investigator like Voyeur.

Nako, I have a busy schedule with award ceremonies and stuff, I hope you are not slowrolling here.

VOTE: PenguinPower
You asked for it

Thanks for teaching me the art of GIFs, PP sensei!

Alright let's read PP

In post 233, PenguinPower wrote:As I said, I am fine sorting kokichi as scum as a baseline. His posting hasn't done anything to change that.

DDL hasn't done enough for me to form an opinion. I find nothing wrong with a wagon forming on him - though it is interesting that Tchill/Kokichi wagons didn't take off like DDL did.

So this is something I notice in PP posts; he very often talks about the DDL wagon but doesn't talk as much about DDL independently. This is something I noticed certain scum do, most notably Irrelephant. I haven't meta'd Penguin to see if he's likely to focus the wagon of a partner rather than read of his partner yet tho.

In post 250, PenguinPower wrote:I could have sworn I did last night.

VOTE: Kokichi

Feel like certain scum, actually Gamma comes to mind, are more likely to forget where their vote is.

In post 449, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 421, Nako wrote:Guys, Gamma is probably town.

Why is Gamma probably town?

Soft distancing?

In post 453, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 352, DrDolittle wrote:gamma's not reading tonight and its a cause for concern

Why? How is that different than standard gamma?

Backpedaling?

In post 454, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 318, DrDolittle wrote:here's 2 of me doing nothing all game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77301
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77250

Bad. Like...bad.

In post 329, Joey_ wrote:

In post 326, DrDolittle wrote:@Joey I'm just joking around dude.

If you took the time to link those 2 games, why didnt you take the time to find 2 relevant games

Distancing?

In post 564, PenguinPower wrote:Hmm...DDL wagon went away quickly.

In post 1164, PenguinPower wrote:One scum in Dva/Gamma/BEF.

In post 1172, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 1170, DVa wrote:I would be interested in you casing BEF tho

Dunno, thinking it might be Gamma.

I don't do cases though. Except maybe in MyLo/LyLo when needed.

Thinks it might be Gamma here but then can't decide between Gamma and BEF here:

In post 1250, PenguinPower wrote:So it's either BFE or Gamma.

This right here was the one point you actually townpinged me. This seemed like such a real reaction to my meta discussion of your play. But actually the inclusion of BEF here is still concerning.

In post 1971, PenguinPower wrote:DDL was a wagon early game that went no where. Kokichi was a wagon that went to L-2 and he claimed mason with your slot, which your slot confirmed. Wagon dissipates. BEF wagon builds, PP wagons builds, A50/Seph makes lot of noise, PP wagon goes away, Tchill and BEF become competing wagons, Tchill gets lynched. VT.

BEF is killed N1. Flips VT.

There are claims today. Wagon theory. Your slot says you aren't actually mason with Kokichi and replaces out. Here we are.

Again, more emphasis on the DDL wagon than on DDL as a player. How is the wagon analysis helpful before there is a flip on the slot?

In post 2243, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: DDL

In post 2793, PenguinPower wrote:That setup could result in a D2 win for town perfectly played without a scum doctor or roleblocker/jailkeeper.

In post 2929, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 2928, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2926, PenguinPower wrote:Why did you ignore Oka on your Voyeur target?

...scumslip...?
I think Seph probably needs death too

Why is that a scumslip?

So something I want to point out here--Gamma recently won a game as scum where a partner accused him of scumslipping. So it seems not unlikely that Gamma would try to accuse partners of scumslipping here if he had seen how effective that can be as a strategy.

In post 2939, PenguinPower wrote:I didn't quick hammer?

Blatant lie of an obvious quickhammer.

In post 2940, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 2894, OkaPoka wrote:lynch mew

town mew = vig a50
scum mew = vig pp

lynch seph if not confirmed

This was the plan for multiple people...which is why I'm saying you're having a tantrum today.

This is such an awful post

In post 3000, PenguinPower wrote:Not sure where you're getting that...but, I'm more curious to hear from Kokichi right now.

p-edit

The distancing comment you made.

So I'm voting Gamma at this point but you seem uninterested in sorting me or engaging me. If you thought there was the chance I was town wouldn't you want to, idk, engage me more directly? It's like you already KNOW I'm town and you're trying to test the waters to see if Gamma will win our 1v1

In post 3148, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: Gamma

Not even attempting to sort either slot is kinda concerning here

In post 3151, PenguinPower wrote:He was not.

j/w but why does this post exist?