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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:39 am
by Nancy Drew 39
V & M hydra PT is a super fascinating read.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:40 am
by Nancy Drew 39
But the scum PT is usually the best read of all. :/
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:58 am
by Nancy Drew 39
Subject: Mini 2106 - TemporalLich, RadiantCowbe & Bitmap Neighborhood
Bitmap wrote:ND is literally mini RC
If I didn’t know the specific context of this, I’d actually thank you for the compliment.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:59 am
by Nancy Drew 39
Subject: Mini 2106 - TemporalLich, RadiantCowbe & Bitmap Neighborhood
RadiantCowbells wrote:If I townread her reaction I'll just make her my indentured vote slave otherwise I'll kill her
Good luck with that, seriously.
That would probably work a lot better if I had actually rolled scum in this.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:01 am
by Nancy Drew 39
Subject: Mini 2106 - TemporalLich, RadiantCowbe & Bitmap Neighborhood
RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm just getting Nancy under control first
lololololololollol
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:09 am
by Nancy Drew 39
Actually, I very likely would have sheeped you, had I lived because you had two correct town lynches back to back and I wasn’t even really reading this game.
Btw, @Bitmap, how do you seriously suck so bad at reading me?
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:10 am
by Nancy Drew 39
In post 3155, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Actually, I very likely would have sheeped you, had I lived because you had two correct SCUM lynches back to back and I wasn’t even really reading this game.
Btw, @Bitmap, how do you seriously suck so bad at reading me?
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:03 pm
by Bitmap
In post 3155, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Actually, I very likely would have sheeped you, had I lived because you had two correct town lynches back to back and I wasn’t even really reading this game.
Btw, @Bitmap, how do you seriously suck so bad at reading me?
My strategy this game was to sheep RC. Ask RC.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:27 pm
by Nancy Drew 39
In post 3157, Bitmap wrote: In post 3155, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Actually, I very likely would have sheeped you, had I lived because you had two correct town lynches back to back and I wasn’t even really reading this game.
Btw, @Bitmap, how do you seriously suck so bad at reading me?
My strategy this game was to sheep RC. Ask RC.
Sorry, no offence but that is the exact reason he was so tilted at you. He thought you had misrepresented his reads.
He also said he never actually sr my slot but he was trying to WIFOM scum or something? I don’t even remember now exactly, since all of his posts got redacted.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:40 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I /inned to play with Salamence20
Dunno if that was a good idea in hindsight
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:06 pm
by popsofctown
Sujimichi will you play with me again?
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:06 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I will never play with you again
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:07 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Unless you finish three houses
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:08 pm
by Bitmap
In post 3158, Nancy Drew 39 wrote: In post 3157, Bitmap wrote: In post 3155, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Actually, I very likely would have sheeped you, had I lived because you had two correct town lynches back to back and I wasn’t even really reading this game.
Btw, @Bitmap, how do you seriously suck so bad at reading me?
My strategy this game was to sheep RC. Ask RC.
Sorry, no offence but that is the exact reason he was so tilted at you. He thought you had misrepresented his reads.
He also said he never actually sr my slot but he was trying to WIFOM scum or something? I don’t even remember now exactly, since all of his posts got redacted.
I kind of didn’t care about your slot since RC hinted that you were town before he died but wanted you to be his vote slave since he said your reads were bad.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:09 pm
by Bitmap
I played this game to see RC entertain me. I was adequately happy until he redacted everything.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:17 pm
by Nancy Drew 39
In post 3164, Bitmap wrote:I played this game to see RC entertain me. I was adequately happy until he redacted everything.
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:05 pm
by Kerset
In post 3164, Bitmap wrote:I played this game to see RC entertain me. I was adequately happy until he redacted everything.
You already guessed this.
In post 1497, Bitmap wrote:
I have 100% win rate as town on my main.
I have 100% win rate as scum on my main.
I'm better than you.
owo
owo
owo
<double posts>
<double posts>
I'm cute.
What's the point of playing this game if no one listens to me?
Your reads suck.
Stop thinking and start sheeping me.
You're throwing.
I lied about my role (as town)
I lied about my role (as scum)
I'm the best.
I'm a day cop and I have a guilty on Player X.
I'm a day vig and I shoot Player X.
My play is the pinnacle of town.
No one can read me.
My town play is so good.
My scum play is so good.
Fuck this game.
Fuck this game I'm going to play FE.
Actually I lied about my reads, this is who we should really lynch.
You're so fucking scummy but this town is too shit to lynch you.
You're town but this town is too shit so they're going to lynch you.
owo
owo
owo
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:06 pm
by Kerset
Especially that you inned before he did.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:09 pm
by popsofctown
One playthrough of any of the three houses, or all three houses each required?
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:53 pm
by RadiantCowbells
i finally compiled my stats
also it has to be blue lions
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:14 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I am exempt from this because I have not started it
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:25 pm
by Bitmap
In post 691, Bitmap wrote:
| 12/19/19 |
bitmap |
RadiantCowbells |
Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick |
Before I get into the game, I need to talk about RC and his "character". When you think of typical Paragon players, you imagine those charismatic scum hunters who are able to charm the rest of town into lynching scum. And sure, RC a few years ago might have started out like that. But no, that's not RC or at least where he is now.
When you first play against RC as scum, you assume he's just another player and your scum pt is more focused around how you'll play around town. A few pages in you and your whole scum team gets caught but you shrug it off thinking nothing will come out of it. Well, you're wrong. RC then grabs town and forcibly tells them how to vote causing town to just lynch scum after scum until they're all gone.
For the more experienced scum players who have to deal with town RC, they don't really talk about how to manipulate town. They talk about how the hell do we get RC out of this game and fast.
In Magical Girls U Pick, RC had all the scum correctly pegged on Day 1.
In Magia Record, RC nailed all the scum players within Day 1 and 2. It was pretty brutal and he forced all of town and managed to get them to sheep him.
RC isn't your typical Paragon player but he is definitely a Paragon tier player. He doesn't serenade town, he dictates the lynches. And he has amazing accuracy doing so. His white seal butt asserts dominance in every mafia game. He's probably the most deserving of Paragon this year. |
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:59 am
by Farkran
Can i ask a question though?
I have already said how much i respect RC and his strategy, even after playing with him only once it's immediately evident that he has above average reads and he's an extremely charismatic player - he probably deserves the paragon award and many others, out of experience and skill alone. I'm going to insist on this premise because i don't want to sound like i am belittling his contribution in this game or his ability to read and lead town in general.
But why would you use this specific game as his validation? The description given in the reference is not accurate. Everyone except bitmap and possibly TL voted (or didn't vote) pops for different reasons, especially when she got CCed.
He townread alchemist for a large portion of d1, he scumread me and evenstar initially, then kerset, then chemist. He wanted to lynch salamence d2, but what forced the lynch was the stun scumslip, not RC's charisma - we might have lynched him due to RC command too, but we don't know how the game would have unfolded without the failed stun claim. His stance on V&M was unclear, but from what i read it looks more like he at least scumleaned them until suji misvigged claiming to have sheeped RC (corroborating the fact that his read was, at least, potentially misinterpretable). The rest of the game was solved mechanically rather than based on reads.
If anything, this game is an example of how town!bitmap was submissive to RC's will, and how scum!salamence was afraid of his influence - up to the point that he fell for an evidently bullshitty parity cop claim. As town it's usually a good thing to sheep town!RC, just as much as it is bad to be afraid of him as scum. But, really, this is a display of how much he is idolized by the community rather than how much he is good at this game.
Again, this doesn't mean that he isn't good at this game or that he doesn't deserve an award for being significantly more skilled than the average player. However, if you don't think other players deserve ANY credit for this specific town win and RC carried this game by himself, you are entitled to have your own opinion. I posted this to dissociate myself from a description that says "RC forcibly led town to lynch the whole scumteam" because it's just not true in this specific instance.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:14 am
by Sujimichi
Yes.
Also, I have finished Three Houses (all paths). I prefer the Golden Deer.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:56 am
by popsofctown
In post 3172, Farkran wrote:Can i ask a question though?
I have already said how much i respect RC and his strategy, even after playing with him only once it's immediately evident that he has above average reads and he's an extremely charismatic player - he probably deserves the paragon award and many others, out of experience and skill alone. I'm going to insist on this premise because i don't want to sound like i am belittling his contribution in this game or his ability to read and lead town in general.
But why would you use this specific game as his validation? The description given in the reference is not accurate. Everyone except bitmap and possibly TL voted (or didn't vote) pops for different reasons, especially when she got CCed.
He townread alchemist for a large portion of d1, he scumread me and evenstar initially, then kerset, then chemist. He wanted to lynch salamence d2, but what forced the lynch was the stun scumslip, not RC's charisma - we might have lynched him due to RC command too, but we don't know how the game would have unfolded without the failed stun claim. His stance on V&M was unclear, but from what i read it looks more like he at least scumleaned them until suji misvigged claiming to have sheeped RC (corroborating the fact that his read was, at least, potentially misinterpretable). The rest of the game was solved mechanically rather than based on reads.
If anything, this game is an example of how town!bitmap was submissive to RC's will, and how scum!salamence was afraid of his influence - up to the point that he fell for an evidently bullshitty parity cop claim. As town it's usually a good thing to sheep town!RC, just as much as it is bad to be afraid of him as scum. But, really, this is a display of how much he is idolized by the community rather than how much he is good at this game.
Again, this doesn't mean that he isn't good at this game or that he doesn't deserve an award for being significantly more skilled than the average player. However, if you don't think other players deserve ANY credit for this specific town win and RC carried this game by himself, you are entitled to have your own opinion. I posted this to dissociate myself from a description that says "RC forcibly led town to lynch the whole scumteam" because it's just not true in this specific instance.
Salamence was unfamiliar with RC's reputation when he fell for the parity cop claim that sorted him. That's why he fell for it. That's actually what makes me less impressed about it, I doubt Salamence would have reacted the same way if he'd been in magical girls where RC also fake claimed a day investigative role, which is naturally suspiciously high power level. Actually, I was skeptical the first time I saw it, in magical girls, which means it was less effective for sorting me, in that case I was skeptical of it but emotionlessly sheeped it because 5% chance it's real and that's the correct vote 95% chance he rescinds it for L-1. He stated that the entire purpose of that fake cop claim was to sort me specifically, and didn't correctly sort me specifically, because scum!pops and town!pops are going to respond to claim they find very very dubious too similarly.
By less impressed about it, I don't mean it's not the right play, or that he won't win a game that way again (against not-Salamence20), it's just less interesting to me than sorting methods that will work time and time again, like the way he does flashwagons and measures the response to pressure.
RC did kind of correctly read slots just before mechanics suggested those reads were correct anyway. Since the point of the award is to measure his strength as a player in the sense of, do you predict this player will play well in his next game, I don't think the mechanical clears and indictments should detract from the game being appropriate for being included in a body of work nom (it'd break the spirit of some single game noms, like White Knight). If his next game is a 10:3 mountainous and he plays as well as he did here I think he wins before LyLo if his teammates are average.
The observation that RC gets a meta edge with regards to people sheeping his reads before he even explains them because historically he's been very accurate is true, I guess, like if he made a secret alt tomorrow it would probably have a lower town winrate (actually, it'd have a drastically higher town winrate when the secret alt didn't get NKed, but let's say the secret alt plays nightlesses). It makes me a little sad because I find persuading eachother about reads one of the most interesting things in the game. His high read accuracy is a much rarer skill than being able to talk someone into the lynch you want without trusting your record, though.
