Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you think Puppy's push on Hectic was serious and he seriously SR Hectic, do you think Town!Hectic lets him get away with some revisionist history on D2 where he's like

"Damn. Still can't believe my one and only scumread actually flipped scum."

Like I'd imagine Hectic!Town at that point reaccts by jumping down Puppy's Throat and Punching him in the face or something. Not some fake convo about aaah you forgot about this thing here.

[Prism]

I just remembered I have Things I Should Do the next ~4 days

I'm sure I'll procrastinate on those things at some point by showing up here but just a heads up that I'll be a lot more in the backseat atm. I probably need the timeout anyway but it sucks to have things like the Hectic case on Pooky that I need to be tackling seriously ASAP...but also knowing I shouldn't

My approach to the game is probably going to be to ignore Puppy entirely considering I already got got once, by the beeboy stuff. I'm not trying to out WIFOM the stupid puppy again

Spoiler: that motherfucker witnessing my pitiful attempts to gamesolve

[Krazy]

Krazy is probably town because he's exceptionally adept with mechanics.

krazy butchered this game's mechanics at least once, though (2779)

What does that post have to do with mech?

[Tanner]

yesterday was de facto white flag, and you were talking about what redflips from taylor/hectic would mean. kinda took it to mean that you... didn't know that.

[Krazy]

Fair. I probably could have phrased that post differently but I can see why you'd take that, I actually was more thinking in terms of bus potential as well but whatever. Anyway you're welcome to find the wealth of examples where I either forgot to submit a kill as scum or seriously considered no killing when it would give town an extra lynch.

[Tanner]

i mean, same works in reverse... find a game where i either forgot to submit a kill, or no-killed knowing it would give an extra execute (and please don't make the argument that i didn't know that would happen), *while* showing up eod, reminding everyone that we need a hammer, as opposed to lurking then removing my vote when it's too late, where i don't tell my partner to lurk out as well, and knowing that the "oops i didn't know about that rule" would've been a viable excuse today considering absolutely nobody other than me was aware of it.

like, i don't get how you see that sequence of events and go "you know what? we should fight tanner."

[Hectic]

What do people think of my case? I'm debating on whether no one agrees with me or if no one bothered to read it €_€

[Hectic]

Tanner is probably my fight still

Why doesn't Tanner's Puppy push or him alerting everyone they lose if there's no launch at deadline change your mind?

[Krazy]

i mean, same works in reverse... find a game where i either forgot to submit a kill, or no-killed knowing it would give an extra execute (and please don't make the argument that i didn't know that would happen), *while* showing up eod, reminding everyone that we need a hammer, as opposed to lurking then removing my vote when it's too late, where i don't tell my partner to lurk out as well, and knowing that the "oops i didn't know about that rule" would've been a viable excuse today considering absolutely nobody other than me was aware of it.

like, i don't get how you see that sequence of events and go "you know what? we should fight tanner."

I haven't even begun to start evaluating the VCA and I'm still thinking about EoD, I just don't like your posting. Why are you asking me to not make the argument you didn't know it would happen but feel okay making that argument for me? I feel like you're trying to make an oog insult to me in the process of casing me here lol

I feel like you really want this to be a 1v1

...which is fine actually, go for it

[Krazy]

Why doesn't Tanner's Puppy push or him alerting everyone they lose if there's no launch at deadline change your mind?

I'll think about it tomorrow. Do you feel like you've conclusively convinced yourself that Tanner is never scum?

[Hectic]

Yeah, I'm reading his posts like he's an IC now lol

[Tanner]

I haven't even begun to start evaluating the VCA and I'm still thinking about EoD, I just don't like your posting.

i mean, that's fine, but why do you immediately jump to "i'll probably still want to fight tanner" prior to doing any of that?

Why are you asking me to not make the argument you didn't know it would happen but feel okay making that argument for me?

because i'm starting to wonder if i'm the only one in this game that read the rules/setup in full. arguably either of us could've done it FoR tHe WiFoM though, so it isn't conclusive one way or the other i think.

I feel like you're trying to make an oog insult to me in the process of casing me here lol

:/

I feel like you really want this to be a 1v1

...which is fine actually, go for it

i don't "want" a 1v1. but right now i think you're the most likely scum, and you're doing nothing to convince me otherwise? and i don't mean necessarily convince *me*, like i feel like your reads are still virtually the same they were back on page 58

like this is how this game feels to me right now

[Tanner]

What do people think of my case? I'm debating on whether no one agrees with me or if no one bothered to read it €_€

i read it, but my takeaway from it was... N/A. you mentioned there's stuff from puppy's side, i was gonna wait for that then reread both cases in full again. like, it doesn't convince me i guess?

[Krazy]

Yeah excuse me for dropping in due to insomnia

I feel like your meme could just as easily apply to me, but the fact is you're sitting here making memes trying to instigate something when I literally just said I haven't taken the time to fully analyze the game yet. We have two new flips and you came into today literally acting like YOUR reads haven't changed overnight at all. You're literally taking my problem with your slot and accusing me of it.

HURT: Tanner

[Krazy]

Here's my new case:

town datisi doesn't post a meme this fucking cringe



if you think town datisi posts garbage like this you don't know town datisi

mostly because town datisi doesn't act like a prick LOL

[Krazy]

like you're pretty clearly trying much harder to piss me off than convincing me you've put one iota of thought into my alignment which is not something town you does ever

[Tanner]

i... thought it would've been clear it was light-hearted, but if in retrospect it wasn't, i apologize.

i've put thought in your alignment and in the others's. and right now everyone else seems more town than you.

[Morning Tweet]

Ya well in any case I'm not considering Tanner without a really good reason

[Morning Tweet]

i... thought it would've been clear it was light-hearted, but if in retrospect it wasn't, i apologize.

i've put thought in your alignment and in the others's. and right now everyone else seems more town than you.

I liked it :C

[Morning Tweet]

i... thought it would've been clear it was light-hearted, but if in retrospect it wasn't, i apologize.

i've put thought in your alignment and in the others's. and right now everyone else seems more town than you.

I liked it :C

[Prism]

I get that it feels dismissive/shitty to have it directed at you and your thoughts-most of the humor in the game has been directed at the self-but making a meme is super fitting for the tone of the game and even if Tanner is somehow scum I think you're taking it the wrong way.

Between Hectic roleplaying, me shitposting/selfroasting, and Pooky/Chara occasionally tagging on, this game has had a lot of seriousness broken up by more light-hearted points of levity.

For my part I'm content to assume Tanner is town because we instantly lose the game yesterday if he's scum. He moves his vote around and doesn't bring up the deadline rule and the game is likely over-much higher EV than whatever scum actually has. He was also the first one to figure out that the no kill gave an extra misfight.

At this point as scum he's going for a style-points slowroll over just winning the game.

[Prism]

There's a chance Lavender still votes yesterday without my allcaps panic, and a chance Chara+you come back in, but 2 out of 3 would be required for town to dodge autoloss yesterday from scum-Tanner POV. The benefit from just not pointing it out is much, much lower than waiting and letting the free win dice roll happen with zero penalty for losing.

Morning hadn't even voted yet, either, and if she leaves without doing so chances are she doesn't make deadline.

[Prism]

benefit from pointing it out is lower than just not doing so and waiting, I mean

[Morning Tweet]

HURT: Pooky

It's not Prism, Tanner, Hectic, Lav, or Chara

Pooky's suspicion of Hectic feels more fake than Krazy's suspicion of Tanner. Also his paranoia of dying yesterday was kind of weird.

Oh also I read Hectic's case so yeah. Even the WIFOM part of "who would do a no-kill?" just points to Pooky

Am I crazy for locktowning Hectic or am I correct that Pooky probably shouldn't be giving Hectic the OMGUS technique today?

[Krazy]

No, not necessarily. Tayl0r could also self-hammer/vote, a move she had largely indicated she'd be fine with. So scum actually winning there would require four total players to not be online to vote before deadline, after the chara slot who can hammer at any time to avoid spewing slots. You can say that he could have unvoted near the end but hammer resolves immediately so the odds of town actually no lynching at end of day 2 is extremely remote given how many hours were left in the day and the fact that it was moving into the time where people wake up

dog's play at the end of the day really only makes sense to me if his buddy is already on the wagon which is another reason I think Tanner pushing me at the start of today is kinda sus, I admit there's the possibility he's still hyper-tunneled but positioning himself as locktown for lynching town and fear-mongering an edgecase doesn't really do much for me