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YesIn post 3149, Datisi wrote:and again with the nonsense shitpush weeIn post 3142, T3 wrote:I don't know how to say this to your face Datisi... but you're scum.
How is this circular logic?In post 3125, mastina wrote:Pretty sure this is a fallacy. I don't remember which, might be some form of circular logic? But I'm pretty sure this doesn't work as an argument because it doesn't explain the actions that have happened, building a narrative that builds off itself without intersection with the actual facts of the game.In post 3103, Aristeia wrote:They're not at risk because they've killed the people who were suspecting them by voting them off.In post 3100, mastina wrote:Dwlee was never at risk. They never got more than two votes. T3 was never at risk. He never got more than two votes. Norwee was never at risk. He never had a lasting wagon.
Oh I can see the incentive for scum toIn post 3104, Aristeia wrote:If you can't see the incentive for the scum to kill the people who are suspecting them and leaving townies alive who suspect other townies then you frankly don't know how to play mafia as scum.killpeople who suspect them.
But Titus wasn't KILLED.
She waseliminated.
The incentive/logical train for scum to HOPE for a plurality elimination on Titus that they ALL dogpiled onto?
Now THAT is something I can't really see the incentive behind scum doing.
In post 3126, mastina wrote:Is it?In post 3106, Aristeia wrote:the goal of the scum is to vote out townies who suspect them
The goal of scum is to not get voted out and to vote out town, sure.
But most scum I know don't dogpile onto one town player in order to remove a town player suspicious of them.
Scum usually avoid voting together and scum and scum usually aren't going to take a 1v1 that they have a 50% chance of losing, especially if even if they win they then lose the next day.
I realize it's notimpossible--Norwee DID try to 1v1 me in Open Draft Mafia when he was scum there. (Tho critically, that did not work for him.) But for your theory to be true for this game, it'd have to have not JUST been Norwee opting into this strategy; it'd have to be the entire scumteam doing so. And each member you add to being onboard with that strategy increases the unlikelihood of it being something that'd happen.
That, aside from how when I've been catching whiffs of that area of the game it doesn't even look like a coordinated assault.
Admittedly, I've not had the chance to read all the pages in context. But I DO have to call it as I see it. And as I see it, the narrative you're weaving is a narrative. It requires the scumteam to make very very specific actions that while they arepossiblefrom the scum players in question, require a very very very specific chain ofpossibleaction afterpossibleaction after POSSIBLE action, ignoring the probable actions, the simpler actions, the actions that fit better, etc.
Your narrative is never impossible. I will give you that. Nothing in it cannot be true. But everything you're trying to sell requires one specific unlikely improbable chain of events one after another to have happened where we live in what amounts to a one in a thousand universe where every stretch of an action happened to have been the one taken.
In post 3127, mastina wrote:Yes?In post 3110, Aristeia wrote:The world NorwegianBoy is selling you is that I'm scum with RCE/Datisi and both of my scum partners have decided to ghost the game and stop playing while I am the lone scum still talking.
Do you really think a scum team at Elo that has skated through and is on the verge of winning would look like that?
Why wouldn't they? If they weren't high-effort pre-lylo, why would most of them be efforting IN lylo?
It doesn't require rocket science for the game to have low-effort scum that mostly did nothing until lylo and mostly continue to do nothing in lylo. That's not some occam's razor violation requiring a complex gamestate. That's literally 70-90% of games onsite right now in the meta. Most scum players just don't give a shit. They get away with not giving a shit in the earlygame because often the town self-destructs to some extent and vote out town and suspect other town. But they continue to not give a shit after the town begins to get their shit together.
That's not some stretch of me to think it the case this game. That's not something which would be highly unique to this game. That's literally the state of mafiascum players who're mafia. They do almost nothing, towns suspect town early on, and then either the town self-destructs and hand the scum a win, or the town gets their shit together and eliminate the scum. This game being that? Not some anomaly. Not a statistical weirdness. Not some form of weird thing that is a freak occurrence. It'd literally be just another mafiascum game with that trend.
You know what WOULD be an anomaly?
If all three of the slots with the highest activity in the game, if the three slots with the highest post count, ALL were scum.
When was the last time you saw a game where literally the top three posters were ALL scum?
When was the last time you saw a game where the three slots that have contributed the most to the game, have efforted the hardest, have been the most active, most involved, were ALL scum?
It's happened before in mafiascum's history I'm sure--but it is very very very very very rare.
And you're asking me to believe in what amounts to a statistical anomaly. In what amounts to a freak occurrence. In a scumteam randomly for no real reason who could get by on coasting to an easy victory as town destroyed itself, deciding to actively force the town loss quickly.
So to answer which story feels more real?
The one backed by the evidence I see and which fits with the site meta.
Rather than the one which requires possibility after possibility after possibility which isn't in the site meta at all.
Look at what NorwegianBoy says about you ^In post 2866, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?
In post 3162, Dwlee99 wrote:How do you think I'm scum with Norwee/t3 when this entire day phase is them trying to convince me they're town
In post 3129, mastina wrote:You keep saying this, and yet this takes facts from D3 that Norwee would have no way of knowing prior to D3.In post 3113, Aristeia wrote:all it requires is for him to have pocketed you - which he did by insisting over and over again that you were locktown town.
That aside from the fact that Norwee locktowning me has absolutely 0% to do with my read on his slot.
I can tell you right now any argument that relies on "Norwee pocketed you by locktowning you" is instantly not going to be convincing to me because I give zero fucks about Norwee townreading me. The fact that RCE townreads me but ISN'T someone that has pocketed me should be proof enough of that. Norwee is someone who looks unlikely to be scum for a plethora of things--all of which came prior to D3 and were entirely unrelated to me.
Nothing Norwee has done or said in relationship to me, in regards to me, has effected my read on him at all--if you think it has, sorry to say, you're wrong and any argument you attempt to make to that effect WILL fall on deaf ears as I know it to not be true.
It's entirely Norwee's contentunrelatedto me that I see as unlikely to be scum. And that content was not aimed at me at all.
In post 3128, mastina wrote:Use logic that is based in facts and probabilities rather than a narrative that relies on possibility after possibility and address the questions/points I'm raising, is all I can really offer.
What an bad excuse.In post 3164, Aristeia wrote:Also it's completely irrelevant to me to figure out who the third scum on the norwe/t3 team is because if I can't get norwe flipped the game is over so there's no point for me to put any energy into it.
In post 2866, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?