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In post 3040, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: HEM

GS Guilty

In post 3063, humaneatingmonkey wrote:lying scum
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In post 3074, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm backup vigilante, this indeed was a gambit (as I appreciate HEM's brain when they're Town and didn't want to miselim), considering there has been no vigilante kills I am certain I am just a false guilty. When I softed, I threw some reverse tags (with reversed text) in a few posts to claim my role, seperate so they'd have to search through it and also realise it's a soft if they've seen it but once I call it out it's super easily understood.

Spoiler: Claiming I am a backup

In post 1235, JacksonVirgo wrote:pu kcaB there. Just because I won't be voting there makes me mega sus if they flip red? Lmfao

Spoiler: Claiming I am a Vigilante

In post 1531, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1430, koopashell wrote:

In post 1428, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 1423, koopashell wrote:as a traitor

you crumbed so maybe not

OK. Since I want you all to stop talking about my slot like this because I'm blatant town - I'm a gunsmith.

That is why: I believe traitors are possible.

That is why: I think there are no masons in this setup

Okay, not what I thought you were honestly. Thought you were a etnaligiV, which was mainly why I wanted to put you into heat so you're not shot, didn't think you were actually scum :p

I have a few questions for you however:
1. Why do you think a Gunsmith game lands into a Traitor game? That's a large stretch if I've ever seen one.
2. Are you taking the assumption of no masons into consideration because of your traitor conclusion? Or is it tied with your claimed role?

Spoiler: Claiming I am a false-guilty

In post 1535, JacksonVirgo wrote:I think you assuming that just because you are a gunsmith means that a traitor is more likely. Because it is not, what's more likely is it's used as a cop that can RP nwot a ytliug-eslaf role or a Mafia doctor exists, or have it purely as a way to not have super obvious checks similar to how Cop would in a normal. I do not see how you've come to the conclusion of no traitors existing.

I didn't want HEM dead if they were Town, and figured if they were Town they'd use their brain enough to notice that it's -ev for scum!me to do this and notice it's a gambit. Scum would not have any information and would have to assume it's the truth, which is what HEM has done. Is this a certainty? Definitely not, but it's definitely not a clear like I hoped it would be. Although I would like someone to read into whether this is scum flailing or genuine townie frustration when this happened. As I personally would expect something specific that didn't happen (I will keep this in my brain for now to avoid external bias).

I believe the elim would have swung to HEM anyway and if this did not solve, at least it's extra content to read them on.

Doesn't matter too much, the PoE is small. Worth a shot. Also I found it funny to mimic what happened D2 with the tracker guilty in the first post aha

(I also asked nobody to hammer as I was going to retract prior to a hammer).

In post 3119, Roden wrote:

In post 3116, ItalianoVD wrote:Oh I voted NK15 thinking he was pulling a scum gambit on his partner? A vote I rescinded and a point I clarified with someone who is used to playing with scum!NK? That?

It's a weird order of events.

NK15: "I have a guilty on Andres" *votes Andres*
Italiano: "Roden scum slipped" *votes NK15*
Andres: "I'm town" *votes NK15*

It doesn't even make sense to vote NK15 here first. You only considered two worlds here: it was either a scum gambit and they were both scum, or Andres was just caught and NK15 was town. Andres is scum in both worlds, so why did you vote NK15? If you thought he could've been bussing, why not just...let him bus?

In post 3117, ItalianoVD wrote:And sure if you wanna frame it like I was ‘defending’ the slot you can. My actual point was, it was a waste of a vote because there was a high chance nothing would come of it. Nice shade by the way.

I’d still like to go for Roden and/or Kitty once we figure out what’s going on with HEM.

I'm not framing anything. You blatantly defended flipped scum after they got hit with a guilty. You didn't say anything about your suspicions of a scum gambit until later on, you just shaded me then voted NK15 without addressing the guilty, or really even accusing NK15 of anything.

Feel free to scum case me though. I've been waiting for one, but all you've done all game is call me scum and complain that everyone is bad if they don't vote me.

In post 3128, MathBlade wrote:Silly question: Where is Mala?

In post 3146, ItalianoVD wrote:I felt Math’s 2929 helped me along. I didn’t feel alone in my big brain thinking lol. I would do it again if I had to do it again.

Anyway in the mean time, anyone up for a Kitty wagon.

VOTE: Kitty

In post 3145, ItalianoVD wrote:My bad. Meant to condense those quotes.

In post 3066, ItalianoVD wrote:Alright let's go.

VOTE: HEM

In post 3127, ItalianoVD wrote:It’s been hard for me to get a solid read on HEM, which is why it feels inconsistent. I use tone as one of the tools I use to read people and some of the tones of his posts sound townie and others sound scummy. I really wouldn’t be surprised with whatever he flips at this point as I could believe both. I didn’t truly believe Leaf’s entire case. Independently HEM feels town, but because I felt sorta strong that Leaf was town maybe he was seeing something I didn’t which is why I placed HEM right in the middle of my reads.

In post 315, ItalianoVD wrote:I thought I was caught up, guess not. Been reading pg 11 and I'm not that comfortable with HEM seemingly coming to bat for me. Like it's cool in a sense, but I always feel icky when people do it and 265 is just goofy. Like I don't think it makes him scum, but I just never like it.

In post 3156, KittyTacky wrote:

In post 3128, MathBlade wrote:Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

In post 3164, Malakittens wrote:Sorry I was asleep.

I think JV is still town in this situation. I don’t like HEM, but then again haven’t liked him for a while.
Malcom is still prob town
Math/Gamma is prob town.
Roden could be prob town

So my Poe is {HEM, Kitty & IVD}

In post 3167, MathBlade wrote:

In post 3156, KittyTacky wrote:

In post 3128, MathBlade wrote:Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

I hope so too. I only asked where she was and did not suggest a turbo push. This is sus.

In post 3168, MathBlade wrote:I think there’s a scum in Kitty/Italiano/Malcolm

In post 3170, MathBlade wrote:That’s not at all what I said?

I found a suspicious post from Kitty.

Based on that and how the votes are, I suspect a scum in you/Kitty/Malcolm.

Where did you get partners from that?

In post 2784, ItalianoVD wrote:Scorpious have you pocketed me?

Surely Scorpious cannot be the wagon for today.

Who’s here?

In post 2785, ItalianoVD wrote:Let’s compromise people.

In post 2788, ItalianoVD wrote:I’m not liking that wagon.

In post 2789, ItalianoVD wrote:Okay let’s try this.

VOTE: NK15

In post 2870, ItalianoVD wrote:That was such an unnecessary hammer.

In post 3173, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 2784, ItalianoVD wrote:Scorpious have you pocketed me?

Surely Scorpious cannot be the wagon for today.

Who’s here?

In post 2785, ItalianoVD wrote:Let’s compromise people.

In post 2788, ItalianoVD wrote:I’m not liking that wagon.

In post 2789, ItalianoVD wrote:Okay let’s try this.

VOTE: NK15

In post 2870, ItalianoVD wrote:That was such an unnecessary hammer.

Italiano has seemed suss for some of today but this was their reaction to the Scorpious wagon at the time. I'm not sure how beneficial it would have been for mafia to continue going for a claimed role player when a town wagon was right there...Scorpious was a bit of a rubbish wagon but it seemed reasonable enough at time to plenty that Italiano could have had cover joining it if they are mafia.

The other option is mafia deliberately chose to keep someone off the wagon as a misdirect on D2, before we obviously went for Andre. But if Italiano is faking and staying off the Scorpious wagon, knowing it could give them town-cred, why target NK15 instead? Plenty of other players they could vote for who hadn't claimed at all.