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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:46 am
by Titus
@Mod: If kills were submitted, did they count in last nights Order of Operations? Order of Operations is who does what and when.


If kills were counted, we can infer that there is most likely a roleblocker in the game. I can't see doctors healing Mastin either. I doubt OMGL would lie about who he shot (although it is possible) plus there's the lack of a mafia kill that suggests a roleblocker.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:08 pm
by Sugar Cain
This
In post 3137, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 3135, Sugar Cain wrote:Why is it scummy for Mara to "not consider Thor wrong"
but its ok and townie? for RC to not consider Mara/us wrong?
Don't put words in my mouth; I very obviously never even mentioned the underlined. Go ahead and quote what you are talking about.
and this
In post 3143, borkjerfkin wrote:@nero: I don't like your tone right now; you're either trying to put words in my mouth again or bait me in some other way. Does my answer there necessitate my having a scum read on him for it? No it does not. Why ask that leading question?

He posts one liners and reacts defensively to shit. Great. The actual answer is: that is not enough information to determine a read. It is loose playstyle meta and by and large I don't consider that a reliable tell, especially considering you're not considering 1) a larger sample size or 2) what his town games look like or 3) other logistical things that make this game different from that one.

For example, can you differentiate the play there from =21370]this game?

If so, how?
Show's signs that you are maybe trying to hide something. All Nero did was ask questions and you automatically assume the worst? that he's trying to talk to you so that, later on he can use it as fuel against you over thinking that maybe he's doing it so he can figure out how you think better?

FTR, it is very easy to differentiate scum-TIP and town-TIP. In that newbie game, TIP was more open with his thoughts, more fluid and less concerned with how people think of him. The vibe he gives off is different, you can literally feel the tension coming off his posts when he is scum

We both find TIP to be scum, though I'm more Unsure of him. He's doing alot of classic TIP-scum posting, but he is also doing some Classic Town-TIP posting and, I'm guessing Nero dropped his read on TIP based on how people are pushing him this game


Yes, Nero did ask you if TIP's play was similar to that game, and you answered yes though he wanted to know if you thought that, because of the similarity between his play here and his play there, you thought he was scum.

You could have very easily have just given the second part of your answer, it would have been fine but town have no reason to feel like they are being interrogated, and they have no reason to worry about how their words are going to be used against them


As for the difference between anti-town and scummy play, anti-town play could easily come from a town player. Anti-town play, on the surface, doesn't have anything that helps town, and often looks like it's done to harm town but there isn't any scum intent in that kind of play. Scummy play has both that, AND scum intent. If you read through Matt's post, anyone experienced should be able to tell that Matty's intents were pure and thus, anti-town and not scummy.

I wanted to know why he thought the people he voted for were scummy, but all the reasons he gave were just people being anti-town. He hasn't explained the scum-intent found in any of the posts people he commented on, made.

Sure, People are entitled to reads but not when it detracts from the other person's scum-hunting. I had also already explained why I was scum-reading him before I changed it and I was leaving him alone yet, he was still trying to draw my attention.

Also, Why Mastin over us? You have been exerting a good amount of energy into arguing with us, but you havn't even made a case on Mastin, not trying to get people to vote for mastin. It doesn't look like you are really scum-reading him any more than you are scum-reading us. If you really are scum-reading us, and are willing to fight with us over mastin. willing to make a case against us, and not mastin, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?


Titus: MS's posts are crap, but I'm having a really, really hard time in seeing scum make a list with dead people in them the way he did. It makes me think that he really isn't paying as much attention to the game as he should, and that he's skimming way, way to fast. It's almost like he wants to contribute but struggles in doing so. As much as I suspected Pitoli, I'm unsure if I am able to get on board with MSscum

~Sugar

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:08 pm
by Sugar Cain
This
In post 3137, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 3135, Sugar Cain wrote:Why is it scummy for Mara to "not consider Thor wrong"
but its ok and townie? for RC to not consider Mara/us wrong?
Don't put words in my mouth; I very obviously never even mentioned the underlined. Go ahead and quote what you are talking about.
and this
In post 3143, borkjerfkin wrote:@nero: I don't like your tone right now; you're either trying to put words in my mouth again or bait me in some other way. Does my answer there necessitate my having a scum read on him for it? No it does not. Why ask that leading question?

He posts one liners and reacts defensively to shit. Great. The actual answer is: that is not enough information to determine a read. It is loose playstyle meta and by and large I don't consider that a reliable tell, especially considering you're not considering 1) a larger sample size or 2) what his town games look like or 3) other logistical things that make this game different from that one.

For example, can you differentiate the play there from =21370]this game?

If so, how?
Show's signs that you are maybe trying to hide something. All Nero did was ask questions and you automatically assume the worst? that he's trying to talk to you so that, later on he can use it as fuel against you over thinking that maybe he's doing it so he can figure out how you think better?

FTR, it is very easy to differentiate scum-TIP and town-TIP. In that newbie game, TIP was more open with his thoughts, more fluid and less concerned with how people think of him. The vibe he gives off is different, you can literally feel the tension coming off his posts when he is scum

We both find TIP to be scum, though I'm more Unsure of him. He's doing alot of classic TIP-scum posting, but he is also doing some Classic Town-TIP posting and, I'm guessing Nero dropped his read on TIP based on how people are pushing him this game


Yes, Nero did ask you if TIP's play was similar to that game, and you answered yes though he wanted to know if you thought that, because of the similarity between his play here and his play there, you thought he was scum.

You could have very easily have just given the second part of your answer, it would have been fine but town have no reason to feel like they are being interrogated, and they have no reason to worry about how their words are going to be used against them


As for the difference between anti-town and scummy play, anti-town play could easily come from a town player. Anti-town play, on the surface, doesn't have anything that helps town, and often looks like it's done to harm town but there isn't any scum intent in that kind of play. Scummy play has both that, AND scum intent. If you read through Matt's post, anyone experienced should be able to tell that Matty's intents were pure and thus, anti-town and not scummy.

I wanted to know why he thought the people he voted for were scummy, but all the reasons he gave were just people being anti-town. He hasn't explained the scum-intent found in any of the posts people he commented on, made.

Sure, People are entitled to reads but not when it detracts from the other person's scum-hunting. I had also already explained why I was scum-reading him before I changed it and I was leaving him alone yet, he was still trying to draw my attention.

Also, Why Mastin over us? You have been exerting a good amount of energy into arguing with us, but you havn't even made a case on Mastin, not trying to get people to vote for mastin. It doesn't look like you are really scum-reading him any more than you are scum-reading us. If you really are scum-reading us, and are willing to fight with us over mastin. willing to make a case against us, and not mastin, why don't you put your money where your mouth is?


Titus: MS's posts are crap, but I'm having a really, really hard time in seeing scum make a list with dead people in them the way he did. It makes me think that he really isn't paying as much attention to the game as he should, and that he's skimming way, way to fast. It's almost like he wants to contribute but struggles in doing so. As much as I suspected Pitoli, I'm unsure if I am able to get on board with MSscum

~Sugar

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:11 pm
by Titus
@Sugar, That read on MS scum is possible. I won't deny that. Still, it just doesn't sit right with me.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:53 pm
by Venmar
In post 3175, Titus wrote:
@Mod: If kills were submitted, did they count in last nights Order of Operations? Order of Operations is who does what and when.
Night went like a normal, regular night, only difference is that people couldn't
Hide
thats all.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:57 pm
by sangres
Sugar and bork you two are breaking my heart.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:03 pm
by sangres
In post 3166, Titus wrote:@sangres, what is being Amnished? You mention it in regards to 2571 on your wall. I'd like to know that to understand what you wrote.
The original Amished tell was a replacement apologizing for the scummy play of their predecessor. Other behaviors about a predecessor have come to be lumped under Amished including insulting the predecessor's scummy/crappy play. The line blurs, and it's not considered a reliable tell. I (fferyllt) find that it's not a definitive tell, but it warrants a replacement getting more scrutiny than they otherwise might. Players who have been around MS long enough to hear about the tell or see it invoked in a game thread are usually careful to avoid dropping it when the replace into a questionable slot no matter what their alignment.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:16 pm
by borkjerfkin
@Sugar: to avoid of a wall war I will keep this brief:

1) your conclusion that I am hiding something does not follow from my suspicion of Nero's tone, which I believe I was very clear on, and I resent the accusation. I DID feel like I was being interrogated and I don't know what else to say about it.
2) I don't agree that what thor was asking you was detracting from any scumhunting, but I want to hear Thor's response to your assertion that he did not display any scum motivation in any of the reads he gave. Your clarification was helpful.
3) You're one of the only active posters right now -- it's easy to engage you and I didn't like your push on thor and I REALLY don't like your soft suspicion of me. I still want to be on mastin - after all of this I still have a better feeling about his flip.
In post 3180, sangres wrote:Sugar and bork you two are breaking my heart.
Talk to me. How can I break your heart less? Metal Sonic is poison and I am not going to fight that lynch, but I am really trying to figure other shit out.

Titus is REALLY TOWN for the night action speculation stuff.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:18 pm
by borkjerfkin
In post 3181, sangres wrote:I (fferyllt) find that it's not a definitive tell, but it warrants a replacement getting more scrutiny than they otherwise might.
I think this tell generates a ton of false positives.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:34 pm
by sangres
In post 3182, borkjerfkin wrote:Talk to me. How can I break your heart less? Metal Sonic is poison and I am not going to fight that lynch, but I am really trying to figure other shit out.
You are both so obviously town to us. Your trying to figure shit out, even when we disagree with where you're looking (NBH for instance), it looks clearly town motivated.
Titus is REALLY TOWN for the night action speculation stuff.
Yeah, Titus' day 3 start and what she's done since then look pretty damn town. We're not concerned about that slot now.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:44 pm
by MattP
Oh right I should post

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:47 pm
by MattP
In post 3165, sangres wrote:Why did you find us scummy?
It doesnt matter, I can TECHNICALLY confirm my role under certain circumstances and I've been very busy which has been affecting my activity everywhere on the site. So I've been lackluster I know

But freaking seriously, scum don't softclaim a self confirming town role so I suggest you find a different person to be curious about so that I don't have to actually do shit tia

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:48 pm
by MattP
Also has anyone said what a baiter is because it's actually important

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:03 pm
by No Brains Here
In post 3184, sangres wrote:
In post 3182, borkjerfkin wrote:Talk to me. How can I break your heart less?
Metal Sonic is poison and I am not going to fight that lynch
, but I am really trying to figure other shit out.
You are both so obviously town to us
. Your trying to figure shit out, even when we disagree with where you're looking (NBH for instance), it looks clearly town motivated.
Titus is REALLY TOWN for the night action speculation stuff.
Yeah, Titus' day 3 start and what she's done since then look pretty damn town. We're not concerned about that slot now.
wait when did metal become a town read for you. what changed? I mean he was such a strong scum read you guyz spent the d2 round stalling elli's wagon and letting it nearly pitter out to nothing while you put everyone off cos you were supposed to make this uber stellar case on him (that you never produced) cos you were *so sure* that he was scum.

VOTE: sangres

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:10 pm
by TheIrishPope
NBH, with all due respect, I ask what the fuck are you doing

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:11 pm
by MattP
TELL ME WHAT A FUCKING BAITER IS

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:12 pm
by TheIrishPope
There is no such thing as a baiter, deal with it

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:14 pm
by MattP
In post 3041, Titus wrote:
@Mod, Can you give us a link or define a "Town Baiter"?
pedit: TIP should I NK you???

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:16 pm
by TheIrishPope
You can try

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:18 pm
by Venmar
Baiter is a role that allows a player to somewhat attract the horde to themselves, which increases their chances of dying, and naturally decreases the chances of others as well. This isn't a guaranteed whatsoever that it would kill the player, however.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:20 pm
by TheIrishPope
Huh

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:23 pm
by sangres
In post 3188, No Brains Here wrote:
In post 3184, sangres wrote:
In post 3182, borkjerfkin wrote:Talk to me. How can I break your heart less?
Metal Sonic is poison and I am not going to fight that lynch
, but I am really trying to figure other shit out.
You are both so obviously town to us
. Your trying to figure shit out, even when we disagree with where you're looking (NBH for instance), it looks clearly town motivated.
Titus is REALLY TOWN for the night action speculation stuff.
Yeah, Titus' day 3 start and what she's done since then look pretty damn town. We're not concerned about that slot now.
wait when did metal become a town read for you. what changed? I mean he was such a strong scum read you guyz spent the d2 round stalling elli's wagon and letting it nearly pitter out to nothing while you put everyone off cos you were supposed to make this uber stellar case on him (that you never produced) cos you were *so sure* that he was scum.

VOTE: sangres
oh fer cryin out loud.

MS is not a town read.

I was talking about bork and sugar. We think both of them are town and we wish they'd stop scumreading each other today.

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:28 pm
by MattP
Hey sangres, what do you think of NBH?

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:30 pm
by sangres
In post 3197, MattP wrote:Hey sangres, what do you think of NBH?
Town

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:32 pm
by MattP
Meh