Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

sangres · Post Post #3175 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:13 am

Yeah AD is almost certainly town.

Travel is over but I'm going to have limited laptop time for a bit.

What are you waiting for, Mollie?

TownTownTown

Kaze/Iece
AD

Town

Skull

Maybe Town

muffin
mollie
venmar
pidgey

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3176 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:15 am

is that everyone except for mastin?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3177 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:18 am

am i going to have to vote mastin today :<

sangres · Post Post #3178 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:21 am

extreme caffeine deprivation. I somehow left mastin out. He's in that big mushy maybe town group. I don't know what I want to do right now.

Iecerint · Post Post #3179 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:03 am

Can someone summarize the claims that happened and somesuch?

Like it sounds like AD jailkept Kaze last night or something hence our being lords of town (though I don't really know why that follows with two scumteams but w/e I'll take it), but if there is more I should know before reading 128 pages it would be handy.

ActionDan · Post Post #3180 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:04 am

lol

1 sk silly

pidgey · Post Post #3181 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:08 am

Who I would nver vote for at this gamr

Skull
Icerint
Sangres

Who might be town
Pirate mollie

Thats how im fealing atm

I need a better idea of the rest

pidgey · Post Post #3182 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:11 am

How is action dan again?

Iecerint · Post Post #3183 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:27 am

Oh.

Well I obviously didn't read the flips very carefully.

And that explains it.

Iecerint · Post Post #3184 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:27 am

I would not vote for me fyi.

ActionDan · Post Post #3185 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:29 am

In post 3182, pidgey wrote:How is action dan again?

If you look at my avatar there's a lot of green there.

And skull will never be put into a town read for me.

This game shall be won on roles

All hail the power of the role

Venmar · Post Post #3186 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:38 am

What, AD has a powerrole?

ActionDan · Post Post #3187 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:44 am

No I'm VT

Skullduggery · Post Post #3188 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:50 am

In post 3172, Venmar wrote:And Cephrir didn't tell me anything, if you're trying to imply that you're voting me for anything else other than Cephrir's interaction with me then sorry but that's how it looks like, so i'll focus on it.

Nope, my case on you is based almost entirely on your connections to Cephrir. Like I said earlier, I didn't have any heavy suspicion of you until I ISO'd Cephrir on Night 4.

In post 3179, Iecerint wrote:Can someone summarize the claims that happened and somesuch?

My summary for Pidgey in 2958 should suffice. The only thing that has changed since then is Metal Sonic and Orcinus dying. Orcinus jailed Kaze last night, so if there's only one Scum player left (which I will believe until it is proven otherwise), you're basically confirmed Town.

In post 3185, ActionDan wrote:And skull will never be put into a town read for me.

Meanie.

In post 3187, ActionDan wrote:No I'm VT

Sure you are.

mastin2 · Post Post #3189 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:52 am

In post 3144, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i feel like mastin might respect her meta too much to violate it

and i know she never hammers as town

No, if I self-inflicted a restriction on my meta, that'd be a trust-tell. I have trends as town and as scum. Habits. Ideals. Things I do. Not hammering as town is one of them. But though I can't recall the game, I have in fact hammered as town at least once before, if not multiple times.

In post 3172, Venmar wrote:As with Mastin2, she ticked me off with the BS she suggested last day, damaged my townread of her while making me think her quieter play later in this game might be reflective of her scummeta, idk.

Actually, that's the opposite of my scumplay. My scumplay is strong opener, but then going quiet immediately for fear of being caught, and then to get much stronger in the lategame. My townplay is to start strong, then to continuously drop. And keep on dropping. It used to bounce back up, but it's not bouncing anymore. I've been trying to fix that, though, so I will be trying to put that effort in.

My vote will likely still be going to you, anyway, since as I said, I didn't like your reaction to my test. (And, yes, it was a test, not a suggestion. If it was a suggestion, I'd have backed it up with a vote. I didn't, because it wasn't a serious suggestion. It was fishing for his reaction.)

Oh, and by the way, we've yet to finish massclaim. I forget who's claimed and who hasn't, but I know I haven't, I don't think mollie has, I don't think zMuffin has, and I don't remember Skull's claim even though Skull likely made one. (Actually, did Venmar claim? I don't remember. Nor do I remember Gooner/pidgey claiming. Dan/sangres haven't, but they claim last anyway.) We said we'd do so after yesterday's lynch, no?

ActionDan · Post Post #3190 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:10 am

no, and we won't yet.

(massclaim)

Iecerint · Post Post #3191 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:12 am

I have never in my life regretted a mastin lynch (n = 2).

I should probably read first though gawd.

pidgey · Post Post #3192 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:27 am

With JK dead i dont see a massclaim fucking us at this point in time

Im up for massclaim

Venmar · Post Post #3193 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:34 am

In post 3189, mastin2 wrote:(And, yes, it was a test, not a suggestion. If it was a suggestion, I'd have backed it up with a vote. I didn't, because it wasn't a serious suggestion. It was fishing for his reaction.

Yeah, that's a very convenient and predictable answer, isn't it?

I think this days lynch should be either Skull or Mastin I think?

mastin2 · Post Post #3194 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:56 am

In post 3193, Venmar wrote:Yeah, that's a very convenient and predictable answer, isn't it?

Predictable, no. You can never predict Mastin. You just fool yourself into thinking you have.

Convenient, yes, but true all the same.

If I had the intention to lynch you yesterday on the spot, I wouldn't have asked for permission. I'd have jumped in and straight-out advocated for it, with some side-note apologizing if I were to be wrong. No, my post was, quite obviously, meant for one thing and one thing only: to invoke a response from you. I was expecting an "okay" or something similarly "sure" from you, of being fine with it even though it would be wrong. That was the answer I was expecting to see, because I was expecting to see an answer that came from a town mindset, and that was the answer that I associate with said town mindset. Instead, I didn't get that.

I got a freak-out. I got ranting. I got OMGUSy responses, which continue into today. (Your lynch candidates are, dead serious, the only two seriously pushing the idea of you being the lynch today.)

Instead of getting a response that looked like the type of apathy I'd expect from a successful town. Instead of getting a response that looked natural, organic, and fluid. I got a response which seemed defensive and desperate. It could have come from town-wanting-earlier-win, but it doesn't look that way. And even now, in your current posting, I see that similar thing. It feels faked. Flat. Empty. Like your "sorry guiz" is a formality that you feel you must post, rather than something you'd naturally post. Like your entire stance on you being lynched is something you're putting in to look good, but when push comes to shove, don't actually mean.

That's why I think you're scum.

pirate mollie · Post Post #3195 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:14 am

I was waiting for you fery cos you said you wanted to talk.

and then didn't show back up but tbf we only had a few hours to get back on.

hi iceyrent!

pirate mollie · Post Post #3196 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:14 am

*then you

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3197 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:24 am

mastin wrote:That's why I think you're scum

his response makes perfect sense, though? your question

was

bad, and it did suggest you thought he was town (or at least that his lynch wouldn't end the game) but wanted to lynch him anyway. tbh, i prob woulda responded the same way to a similar question

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3198 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:25 am

what are your thoughts on venmar's play as a whole? rather than just his recent posts which you think are "flat" or whatever?

mastin2 · Post Post #3199 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:16 am

In post 3197, zMuffinMan wrote:your question
was
bad, and it did suggest you thought he was town (or at least that his lynch wouldn't end the game) but wanted to lynch him anyway.

Except this was the post in question:

In post 3058, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3054, Venmar wrote:Can we like just agree on a lynch and kill Metal Sonic already?
How okay are you with you dieing today and Metal tomorrow assuming a kill goes through and orc blocked Kaze?

A question being exactly that. A query. An inquiry. A sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.

I wanted to know what he thought of that scenario. I was not suggesting that scenario. I was expecting "I'm okay with it, but I'd prefer otherwise". I was expecting maybe to have analysis from Venmar as a response, similar to how when Skull was pressured, he gave a ton of his own. Instead, there was the freak-out.

In post 3198, zMuffinMan wrote:what are your thoughts on venmar's play as a whole? rather than just his recent posts which you think are "flat" or whatever?

They're part of the whole, and my horrible memory means that as far as I'm concerned, they're currently the entirety of it. I haven't done my research on him. But my memory of his play this game has been that it's been...largely unproductive? Like, that he's tunneled on Metal Sonic the whole game and hasn't done much aside from that?