Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

I think that at the very worst case scenario I am not being lynched until I am the second last pair remaining. That's the end of the discussion, really.

No, it isn't.

Like if I'm going to actually try this game rather than just leave to avoid dealing with the crappy game.

If you not posting = you not trying, I'd prefer the latter, actually.

Even if L8 is scum, there's a lot of value to having a pair that is known to be at worst TvS.

No, there isn't. The whole point of informed minority vs uninformed majority is that 1 to 1 trades are good for the majority. Funny, chess applies to more than just chess.

[Gentleman 4]

The stuff that you don't like from me happened in reaction to the gamestate being what it was. The gamestate wasn't what it was because of me.

The game state is what it is because of you. And you not having control over yourself is still a problem that you should be handling, regardless of how much you try to blame the thread.

[Lady 4]

Even if L8 is scum, there's a lot of value to having a pair that is known to be at worst TvS.

Then why do you want to kill me so bad? :p

I dont think anyone seriously suspects me outside of L5 who is only suspecting me as a grudge because I am mean to her.

[Gentleman 6]

No, there isn't. The whole point of informed minority vs uninformed majority is that 1 to 1 trades are good for the majority. Funny, chess applies to more than just chess.

That's not how this game works.
fF you have a known TvT pair.
AKA, G3/L6

And you have two pairs with 1 known town in them, the game is over.

T-T
TvS(at worst)
TvS(at worst)

You can lynch every other pairing in any order and then kill the two pairings that are at worst TvS and then the game is over.

[Gentleman 6]

No, there isn't. The whole point of informed minority vs uninformed majority is that 1 to 1 trades are good for the majority. Funny, chess applies to more than just chess.

That's not how this game works.
fF you have a known TvT pair.
AKA, G3/L6

And you have two pairs with 1 known town in them, the game is over.

T-T
TvS(at worst)
TvS(at worst)

You can lynch every other pairing in any order and then kill the two pairings that are at worst TvS and then the game is over.

[Gentleman 4]

No, there isn't. The whole point of informed minority vs uninformed majority is that 1 to 1 trades are good for the majority. Funny, chess applies to more than just chess.

That's not how this game works.
fF you have a known TvT pair.
AKA, G3/L6

And you have two pairs with 1 known town in them, the game is over.

T-T
TvS(at worst)
TvS(at worst)

You can lynch every other pairing in any order and then kill the two pairings that are at worst TvS and then the game is over.

Exactly. As long as any pair with at least one scum in it is dead, town wins. Which means that if Lady 8 is scum, the game is better off if you're dead with her than she's alive with you.

[Gentleman 6]

G4 you literally pushed me to pair with L8 instead of a locktown player. Keeping me around to solve the game while being comfortable functioning as a TvS pair is the only reason to do that.
Like unless you deliberately pushed me to pair with a non-locktown player to push an early mislynch on me, this game is functioning exactly as intended.

[Gentleman 4]

Nothing in the quoted post even comes close to countering the argument presented.

[Gentleman 6]

Exactly. As long as any pair with at least one scum in it is dead, town wins. Which means that if Lady 8 is scum, the game is better off if you're dead with her than she's alive with you.

Are you scum, then?
It literally doesn't matter whether L8 is dead or not at any discrete point in the game if she's scum as long as she's dead before endgame.
I'm not going to endgame but I'm using my slot as a TvS (at worst) pair so unless you're going to push me as scum you can fuck right off.

[Gentleman 6]

Exactly. As long as any pair with at least one scum in it is dead, town wins. Which means that if Lady 8 is scum, the game is better off if you're dead with her than she's alive with you.

Are you scum, then?
It literally doesn't matter whether L8 is dead or not at any discrete point in the game if she's scum as long as she's dead before endgame.
I'm not going to endgame but I'm using my slot as a TvS (at worst) pair so unless you're going to push me as scum you can fuck right off.

[Gentleman 4]

G4 you literally pushed me to pair with L8 instead of a locktown player. Keeping me around to solve the game while being comfortable functioning as a TvS pair is the only reason to do that.
Like unless you deliberately pushed me to pair with a non-locktown player to push an early mislynch on me, this game is functioning exactly as intended.

I'm not pushing you. I still think both of you are >rand town. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your argument.

[Lady 3]

G3 and L6 are TvT?

[Gentleman 6]

You have no argument. Knowing that my pair is TvS (at worst) all I need is one other TvS pair (at worst) and a correctly identified TvT pair. I have two correctly identified TvT pairs.
Pushing on me thinking that I'm town is outright gamethrowing: argue that I'm scum with L8 or stop bringing my name up.

[Gentleman 6]

You have no argument. Knowing that my pair is TvS (at worst) all I need is one other TvS pair (at worst) and a correctly identified TvT pair. I have two correctly identified TvT pairs.
Pushing on me thinking that I'm town is outright gamethrowing: argue that I'm scum with L8 or stop bringing my name up.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not pushing you. I still think both of you are >rand town. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your argument.

It's not a flaw in my argument.
I don't care if L8 is scum or not because I'm not treating my pair as a TvT pair and my pairing has value as a TvS pair regardless as the second or third last pair alive.

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 6, you read what I'm not writing, and that's bad because I'm being particular about what I'm writing for good reason.

There has got to be a softer way to put this.

You're obviously paranoid. You've obviously been through some rough games of mafia. I'm on your side. I'm supporting you. But I need you to be supporting me, too. This doesn't have to turn into you grasping at straws for days on end in desperate attempts to get control of the game - we can work together. But you have to relax. You have to forget the times people turned on you because you made it to end game and you were lock town for most of the game so nobody looked at you, people got paranoid, and lynched you. I won't do that to you. I just need you to stay calm and level-headed. And I need you to work with me. Ok?

[Gentleman 6]

I'm working with you. I'm telling you that I am not going to try to make endgame with L8 but that lynching me early serves no purpose besides gamethrowing. I've explained why.

[Gentleman 5]

Hi guys hows life

[Lady 3]

I think like... every pair is TvS at worst?

[Gentleman 1]

This is quite obnoxious. This game feels more polluted than Zoness currently. Good job people, you have managed to be worse than Andross.

I think I understand why this game has been swelling, there seems to be some severe issues of people having problems with others. I feel like my vote will end up being on the pair I find most problematic if this proves true.

This is why several players have decided to push Lady 5 and Gentleman 8 at the moment.

No we're not lynching L6.

This isn't the reason why I'm pushing this pair (although it's not a reason to not push it, in my opinion).

Ok actually G3 hasn't been doing shit lately so maybe...

That's at least part of the argument.

G3 L6 isn't scum m8s

Why not?

I do note this, however. I will keep that in mind when I get back to going through this bog of a game.

[Gentleman 4]

I've said my piece. A lot of what you're saying doesn't really qualify as a response to me, Gentleman 6, because it's not even addressing issues I brought up.

[Gentleman 6]

What exactly are the issues you're bringing up?

[Gentleman 6]

What exactly are the issues you're bringing up?

[Gentleman 3]

I'm here.

[Lady 3]

u should vote l5/g8