Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Gamma Emerald]

bussing day 1 is an awful play that at best will shift the pressure to win the game singlehandedly as a deepwolf onto a scum player who doesn't know what they're getting into

Hey, i bussed day 1 and day 2 consequently in a previous game and won singlehandedly as a deepwolf.
It ain’t as stupid as you think!

There’s good argument against it though

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

You really need to learn to parse which conversations involve you
I’m not much better irl but yeesh you’ve taken offense to a lot of things not aimed at you

There would be less to get confused over if he'd quote who he's responding to.

That post was immediately after mine, so my assumption was reasonable given our earlier interactions.

[Gamma Emerald]

bussing day 1 is an awful play that at best will shift the pressure to win the game singlehandedly as a deepwolf onto a scum player who doesn't know what they're getting into

Hey, i bussed day 1 and day 2 consequently in a previous game and won singlehandedly as a deepwolf.
It ain’t as stupid as you think!

I've done it before, too.

It's nerve-wracking but fun as hell.

Whenever I bus I try to be meticulous about risk/reward
I won an off-site scumgame by not eliminating my buddies too fast (partly incidental but the accidents helped in the end so I still count them as a factor in the win)

[Gamma Emerald]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

You really need to learn to parse which conversations involve you
I’m not much better irl but yeesh you’ve taken offense to a lot of things not aimed at you

There would be less to get confused over if he'd quote who he's responding to.

That post was immediately after mine, so my assumption was reasonable given our earlier interactions.

It pays to read into the context and determine whether the words he’s saying make sense to be directed at you
For me, I could tell he was continuing his tear into Cyrus pushing jjh through practically everyone else

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

You really need to learn to parse which conversations involve you
I’m not much better irl but yeesh you’ve taken offense to a lot of things not aimed at you

There would be less to get confused over if he'd quote who he's responding to.

That post was immediately after mine, so my assumption was reasonable given our earlier interactions.

It pays to read into the context and determine whether the words he’s saying make sense to be directed at you
For me, I could tell he was continuing his tear into Cyrus pushing jjh through practically everyone else

It certainly wouldn't have been the first time he had slung shade at me.

[Titus]

Idk... if Titus is scum, I don't see it.

Like, I won't WK her, but I don't see myself voting her.

that was my stance on nk. i wont discredit you if she flips scum or the rest if she flips town. we make mistakes . that is why i askd nm to check you. lmao maybe we should just vote no untill nm checks enough. people jokeing joke i do that sometimes.

Here's the problems I have with this post and cyrus's later vote on me. He admits that he didn't see himself voting NK which was a softer defense and more palatable defense of NK rather than me straight up questioning the wagon. He was fine with, if not on, the FMFT wagon. His reads were as bad as mine. Yet, his stance isn't that "we make mistakes" as it was here with you.

He also jokes we should no eliminate until nm checks enough. If cyrus is scum, it suggests scum still has a false positive in play.

Correcting myself here a bit. Cyrus was never on the FMFT wagon. He never comments on it short of a "Hammer who" type comment. Afterwards, he says it was a bad elimination preflip.

[Titus]

Cyrus even votes me d2 for my mistake.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like in a world where NM, mastina, gamma are town that leaves cyrus, titus, house, me, hydra containing two scum. Jjh I left out because my scumreads on him were predicated on mastina also being scum.

So house, where are the two scum? In Cyrus and me?

Huhhh
This flew over my head before but something feels off about how moon has been treating jjh throughout this game

[Titus]

@Gamma, Thoughts on a House cyrus team?

[House]

@Gamma, Thoughts on a House cyrus team?

Sadness.

Do you, though.

[Gamma Emerald]

No comment for now
Cyrus seems scummy individually though. Your points make sense to me.

[Titus]

@House, Why are you reacting as a sad puppy when I suspect you when you said I was one of the best at reading you?

[Moongrass]

Titus what happened to moon being opportunistic scum?

[Titus]

Titus what happened to moon being opportunistic scum?

I am pursuing alternative theories. I still don't like your earlier play, but I don't have a method of shorting that. The no kill feels like either tmi or ridiculous to avoid a clear when the more logical conclusion was the kill was blocked. Your vote on me did feel opportunistic and now you vote one of my biggest defenders.

They might be scum though, which means you wouldn't be most likely.

[cyrus62]

Sorry, I'm not likely to be on today.

X post all games.

titus i am exasperating alot more from you after seeing that i have the game down to 5 people as possible scum.

Which are?

titus, nk15, nm, moon and gamma.

heres who i wll focus on day2 minus gamma

so if i remove gramma and nm who do i have left , titus and moon

[Moongrass]

Right, but the house wagon has no traction. It feels like house made a big deal about me not voting him today but he won't vote jjh because of the same reason. Since I've moved my vote Titus seems happy to now pursue other options so it's almost like a play to dilute the suspicion between Titus/House so that Titus is no longer the leading wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what?
I could see my main suspicion about Moon’s no-kill speculation being viable if the team is Moon+Cyrus

[cyrus62]

titus started pushing me after i refused to side with her but the funny thing im voting moon lmao.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Cyrus

For the record -this- is an opportunistic vote. My voting on Titus was not as that has been a wagon I was gunning for since D2.

[Moongrass]

You know what?
I could see my main suspicion about Moon’s no-kill speculation being viable if the team is Moon+Cyrus

Gamma you're just ridiculously wrong on me. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why have you been focused on speculation about the no-kill today?
Might as well ask.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m half tempted to vote Cyrus because IMO depending on the flip it confirms/denies certain scenarios

[Titus]

VOTE: moon i disagree with jjh reads. so sue me.

Moon and cyrus are not partners.

This position with moon v me could be tvt with scum setting themselves up for chain eliminations.

@Gamma, I don't think this comes from a moon + cyrus scumteam.

[Titus]

I’m half tempted to vote Cyrus because IMO depending on the flip it confirms/denies certain scenarios

Not sure where Cyrus is at but I want to hear from DGB and NSG first or their replacements if possible.

[Moongrass]

Why have you been focused on speculation about the no-kill today?
Might as well ask.

I have discussed lots of things so saying my focus has been on one throw away point about the no kill is an exaggeration.

My speculation on the no kill is me trying to make sense of what happened. I can't imagine an invest role that can't be killed, but I'm not a mechanically strong player so I figure that a no kill could either be a mistake or very intentional. It's also possible there's a protective but I doubt that given my assumption there are only two PRs in the game. What is odd is that house assumed a self protective mechanic of the invest PR rather than a modifier like BP which I'd see as more likely.