Having close to FOUR is a huge sign that you're being had
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:02 pm
by GuiltyLion
ND have you ever scumread someone that townread you
from where I'm sitting if you're town it seems like the easiest thing for scum to do would be to townread you and let you just fight with everyone who scumreads you
saying "this person reads me correctly as town so they're town" is basically diving headfirst into a scum pocket, I have a hard time buying the "I need to be read correctly before I can start solving" idea, it's fucking hard to solve correctly when you're universally townread
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:07 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 3090, RH9 wrote:Here is my long awaited observations and reads table.
In post 2780, Firebringer wrote:i am also townread shiro independent of catboi at this point. Shiro been nothing but his townself
can you talk about this for those of us who are not familiar with shiro
scum shiro doesn't hunt or try solving. he relies on charming gifs and lovey dovey posts to pocket the people he needs to make it through game days. Is that here? Barely. He is giving opinions that i think are more indepth than he would give as scum
Yea while I am not planning to read anything before my arrival, I am engaged. Been a while since that has happened Ina game and
there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.
What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:16 pm
by Shiro
In post 2803, Firebringer wrote:i can easily see harley is scum tho so i don't know what purpose me arguing for shiro town serves.
Shiro chose wrong. Now he must pay.
I will be honest here I don't like trust myself to properly read her, paired with me being more likely to town read people I am in a pt with yea. I am capable of leaving if I have to though.
Then feel bad forever if I am wrong.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:17 pm
by Alyssa The Lamb
I think you're probably a TvT pair but I don't trust HQ to pivot off a bad solve if she's wrong and I think that's a lot more important of a trait
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:19 pm
by Shiro
In post 2811, Titus wrote:I detest that my best endgame pair atm is Shiro and HQ. They're the only two that don't make sense in any scenario.
Yea that's a weird take, but why? This gives me weird vibes because Titus know I town read her like 99% of the time and vehemently defend her, which makes me think she might be scum wanting me end game hoping I will pressure Harley to do the same.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:22 pm
by Shiro
In post 2847, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:If it literally hits a point where that pairing is just decided on to be the endgame pair, I'm just auto-leaving at 8p
I'm not dealing with that, sorry
Titus hot take is hardly a decided on end game pair xD
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:23 pm
by Shiro
Boy I feel like old Mastina talking in the past with these posts.
Who do you think is fooling me then? They’re not confident but I think you and RH9 seem really townie. I’m still on the fence about both STD and Marci. If Titus and Norwee were a pair, I’d definitely townlock that. I kind’ve wish this was more like pair game, where you could do that.
I haven't been a huge fan of Shiro's content, especially this post. People said they townread catboi (including my illustrious predecessor, though I don't know how serious that was), is that a meta read? My experience with scum-catboi is that he's pretty slippery and hard to identify.
Like I said I would do a dual ISO dive but they're both recent replacements so I doubt I'd get anything
there's so much in there that's just like, "this feels genuine", "this was an interesting post", "advice here was appreciated", "mindmeld with this", etc. It feels like something he'd write if he just went through ISOs and needed to comment on posts. What's missing for me is any real underlying thought process in the vein of "I think this is likely to be town because [x]", looking for scum agenda in what people are doing, any sort of skepticism or uncertainty. Hence it feels fake, I don't see a mind that has incentive to correctly evaluate alignments behind any of his reasoning there.
What I want to do now is actually sit down with a RH9 town game and see if this is how he always feels or if the fake feeling is more unique to this game
See here, here and here for previous tables that were made as Town. Then, tell everybody that those are fake too. I don't care. I would rather that everybody uncovers the truth than believe lies.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:34 pm
by Shiro
In post 2938, Harley Quinn wrote:I highly doubt scum!Shiro would even pair with me here for that reason alone.
from where I'm sitting if you're town it seems like the easiest thing for scum to do would be to townread you and let you just fight with everyone who scumreads you
saying "this person reads me correctly as town so they're town" is basically diving headfirst into a scum pocket, I have a hard time buying the "I need to be read correctly before I can start solving" idea, it's fucking hard to solve correctly when you're universally townread
No it’s not, I nailed two scum d1 and 3 in Pokemon and many other games. Taly’s IC, are you arguing that somehow adversely impacts his reads because I don’t think so.
And it doesn’t need to be universal, though that helps because if I am universally tr and I endgame in most games, it probably means I’m tr scum. That’s what happened in Xyzzy’s game. Scum were never targeting me because I tr the entire team.
If I’m continuously fighting off srs, it makes it extremely difficult not to focus on that. It’s not a coincidence either that more people are tr me now because I feel freer to try to solve now that I don’t think I’m likely being run up anymore. I’m also rarely obvtown right out of the gate. In Beefster’s game, I almost got miselimed in the span of two hours only to be pretty much everyone’s consensus tr for the remainder of that game. And you should know this too if you can remember nsg’s newspaper game where I was put at E-2 almost immediately and I got the bs she’s completely over reacting to being sr thing.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:36 pm
by Shiro
In post 2943, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:all I remember in Heroes Wanted about Shiro was that Shiro mediumed Cerberus, then died trying to medium me
Ooooooooof that game, I doubt I will ever again put this much effort in a game. And Drixx not trusting I actually mediumed and all that. Boy o boy that was a game. That and Space Dandy, fire remember space dandy?
It was a pretty cheap reason to throw shade at my pair (which was one of the LHF-iest); it was easy to check if your reasoning was flawed, but you didn't do that.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:39 pm
by Shiro
In post 2959, Andante wrote:Do people actually remember games played from like 6months ago??
Yea, weird right? I have like a vague meta tell of people at best and that's about it. I never use old games for info. Then again I am not really the best at hunting so maybe that's why.
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:39 pm
by Harley Quinn
In post 3191, Shiro wrote:I mean it's not that I don't town read Harley but that post alone wasn't some gran revelation like norwee made it to be.
Norwee is one of those players extremely good at reading me though, so from him it’s not suspicious. Also I already pointed out thar he could weakly tr me, pretend to try to derail my wagon and get fake towncred for that, so why doesn’t he do that? He even got votes for defending me?