In post 3123, Cephrir wrote:Read twie. The thing that is most sticking out to me is his pivot from seemingly wanting ircher to die d1 to defending him d2. What's with that?
His fixation on role blocks becomes interesting in light of tet's claim to be roleblocked
Spoiler: TWIE Roleblock posts
In post 2448, TheWayItEnds wrote:honestly unless theres no one else to lim should have ircher try again on either day 3 or 4 and make scum spend role blocks on him if theyre that concerned with him not being confirmed
In post 2449, TheWayItEnds wrote:if your action was roleblocked can you use it tonight? for non consec? im assuming not but worth a check
In post 2457, TheWayItEnds wrote:okay but the point is you say choose 1 of night 3 or 4 to use your ability and then scum have to RB him twice if they are committing to preventing a confirm
In post 2458, TheWayItEnds wrote:which is a pretty big commitment when a kill has already been prevented
especially since the prs of this game appear to be x shot or gated
I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it, but yeah a large section of his posts is just dedicated to trying to make a convincing case to save Ircher. Or more accurately, the entirety of his Day 2 posts are about Ircher.
In post 2060, catboi wrote:thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets
this a hot take
scum are only pushing lurkers
makes lurker push
A+ self callout
Reading this post again while looking through his ISO, and I think he might have slipped that he has an informed perspective? Catboi never said scum were pushing lurkers, he made a comment about the game state focusing on that.
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:42 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
i think u stretchin there but idk if its a stretch worth makin or not
In post 3137, Cephrir wrote:im not going to make a lot of assumptions about flavor this game. let's just play mafia imo.
okay who's da scumz
this is a good question which overall is pending my desire to review ircher interactions.
honestly, i thought val was the one we had right.
subject to change after taking in d1 data. but right now my spots of greatest concern are bell and tictac. roden and the folks who are catching heat today are all maybes. among the bigger posters, i don't have much reason to tr norwegian.
I was one of the main people actually driving Ircher wagon on day 1? Hello?
And here ur being: "Eh, don’t have much reason to townread Norwegian". Come on.
Though it hurts more when Mush said it. :/
In post 2060, catboi wrote:thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets
this a hot take
scum are only pushing lurkers
makes lurker push
A+ self callout
Is just odd. It doesn't add up to me that he would want attention and then get hyper defensive when he got it.
And why did you want those two things to happen at the time?
Bell if there's a point to this, get to it bc i'm not following you're line of questioning
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:56 pm
by Roden
In post 3112, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm going to be a stick in the mud, ircher was going down like a sinking ship the only person who didn't think ircher was going down was andante for some reason
it was just a matter of whether ircher was town or scum. i actually thought he was going to flip town at the end of the day. the fact that he flipped scum changes a few things. it means people defending him probably were town unaware he was going to flip red (andante, Twie) and that some people who were heavily trying to drag him down were bussing him (roden).
In post 2810, Roden wrote:I was hoping someone would notice this first. Ircher has been ignoring most people who try to case him, only ever replying to people he thinks are easy to out-argue.
what if ircher ignored roden because they're scumbuddies.
In post 2821, Roden wrote:Anyway the real reason Ircher is scum here is because there is a 100% chance we have a Voyeur and/or a Watcher and there's no way they don't sit on Ircher N1 to catch a Roleblocker. But no one's stepping forward to vouch for Ircher besides I guess Andante, who just claimed VT.
This is a really weird reason to sr ircher
Gonna ignore the first two paragraphs because you're essentially saying you'd scum read me regardless of what Ircher flipped. If Ircher is scum I'm bussing, if he's town then I'm pushing a mis-elim. The proof of your confbias is in the very next thing you say.
You're claiming Ircher ignored me because we're scum buddies. But the point I make in the post you quoted is that he
wasn't
ignoring me, in fact he was going out of his way to engage with me more than almost everyone else in the game. That's why Mush suggested that it could be theatre in the first place.
That last bit wasn't why I scum read Ircher, I was giving a mechanical reason for why Ircher was caught scum. I'm not sure why you'd even bring that post up.
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:04 pm
by Save The Dragons
if ircher flipped town i would have thought you were town from it
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:06 pm
by Cephrir
Please open your mouth wider std he needs to put more words in it
I don't buy that. You scum read me for getting ignored by Ircher even though that was proven to not have happened, and you haven't reversed your read on me or explained how it changes your read after it got pointed out. This is a problem, because I still think you're town but your read looks fake.
In post 3193, Cephrir wrote:Please open your mouth wider std he needs to put more words in it
This is the post that made me town bin you, it feels like a very genuine reaction and I don't think scum would have the foresight to fake frustration here. Maybe it's a dumb reason to town read you, but it's something that makes sense to me.
In post 574, Save The Dragons wrote:i know roden's good at scum and he's good at the game, he's not going to be bad town
Besides the confbias tunnel, this is the only other post that gives me pause. Scum reading someone for playing poorly is just, bad. And doesn't even make sense if you think I'm good scum, because I would have to be good at faking town as well.
