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Why am I currently the leading wagon even though Mhork's 2676 is the closest thing has given for reasons so far? It's kind of hard to tell who is being opportunistic when it seems like every single vote is unexplained.

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:The only true nulls are in instances where a player does something in every game/close to every game. Natirasha's self voting is one of those instances. Sakura sheeping me is another.

Thats cool. Let me do every freaking anti-town thing in every freaking game so that when I do draw scum, I won't get lynched for it.

VOTE: Voided

His hesitance to hammer town so that someone "more town/less scummy" could hammer is pure scum.

pieguy wrote:there's no way in hell thinking Seanald was derptown to the point of not voting him came from a town thought process.

my read on seanald had nothing to do with why i didn't vote him. the reason i didn't vote him is because i was going to sleep, there were multiple people posting, and baldeagle had claimed intent to hammer (as well as saying he'd be around til the deadline). i figured, fuck it, someone else will hammer, i don't need to.

i said i'd put him at l-1 before i went to sleep, but prohawk had already put him at l-1, and someone else had claimed intent to hammer, so no reason to cut discussion short.

espeonage wrote:Mainly that he was hounding a wagon that was in full swing already, it was as if he wanted the lynch to be closed out asap before it got derailed.

is this referring to me complaining about the voided wagon?

espeonage wrote:Not to mention he wasn't in the best of positions on wagons so far this game

lol

pieguy wrote:but rather than waiting to see if he'd go for it, I figured it'd be better to just out it immediately cause I wasn't sure when he'd be online and I don't feel like waiting

yeah, well, you're a derp and i don't give two shits whether you think i'm scum. you're naive and clueless if you really believe there weren't scum eagerly jumping on the seanald lynch. iirc, outside of PV and prohawk and maybe a couple others i forget, no one showed interest in getting a seanald wagon going D3, prior to the last 24 hours before the deadline. if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

LB wrote:which players in particular do you think are scum defending Nero by calling this his town meta?

outside of perhaps prohawk, i'm not too sure. that was more based on the general feeling i was getting about the opposition to wagoning nero and not based on any particular players. it felt like someone mentioned nero's town meta and then too many people were like, "yeah totes, nero yells as town!" and superficial bullshit like that without even looking at the arguments for nero being scum or arguing against those arguments, or anything.

garuda wrote:Still?

still what?

In post 3189, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 3167, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 3163, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 3159, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 3156, Voidedmafia wrote:That was in response to your "straw that broke the camel's back."

Do you understand what that phrase means? No fucking duh it was a small thing. A straw is a small thing. That is how the phrase works - there was so much shit on the camel's back already that one straw was too much and the camel collapsed. What the fuck are you even saying right now?

What

I'M

saying is that using that as your proverbial straw (and yes I know what the phrase means) is just stupid. Really stupid.

Why? pieguy has just said that my interpretation of his post was correct.

And you really think that it was that scummy-bad (NOT bad bad, but scummy bad) that it turns you to voting him?

No, that's far too shallow to be worth voting over.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't think you actually do understand what the phrase "the straw the broke the camel's back" means. I have provided other reasons why I am voting him, which you sem to be ignoring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_that ... mel's_back

In post 3192, Lord Mhork wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain

Can't even pretend to care about Molla right now. He could be vigged though.

Are you really going to go back to the "can't be fucked reading the thread" mode? Argh, I liked your posting yesterday.

@Muffin
No that was you asking questions with no possible town answer to Nero just as he his wagon hit tipping point.

And are you really going to be that dismissive at this point in the game? People haven't been the most liberal with town reads on you. That usually points to issues in your play. And wagon analysis has always been a part of scumhunting. Tbh, I'm finding you 'defenses' to be ever worse than the rest of your play. So what if an attack is weak, if it's a constant that would point to a bit more of a scum playing as scum than a town being consistently mistaken.

Also, I believe a revote on night activity would be a good idea. Only three of the peeps are still alive, AND deadline is floating above our heads. We can discuss a lynch as well, but it does us no good to sit around with no direction for the night when we could be slapped with three irl days of play to sort out everything.

espeonage wrote:No that was you asking questions with no possible town answer to Nero just as he his wagon hit tipping point.

which questions? or which posts are you referring to?

espeonage wrote:And are you really going to be that dismissive at this point in the game?

yes. when you come up with a semi-legitimate reason for your read on me, get back to me. until then, lol

espeonage wrote:People haven't been the most liberal with town reads on you. That usually points to issues in your play.

which "people"? all the dead townies (bar hermy) had town reads on me. i don't really care about a few players scum reading me.

if you think i'm scum, try to get me lynched. i'm interested in seeing who joins you and why.

Page 100 would be a start.

Define semi-legitimate, because as it stands our definitions appear to be very different.

And we'll see how the day goes.

espeonage wrote:Page 100 would be a start.

be specific. which of those questions was impossible for nero to give a "town answer" to?

espeonage wrote:Define semi-legitimate

having an actual reason, to begin with

2498, 2509 are a start. I might go fetch more when I'm not on my way to bed.

2498 is entirely setup for lynching without opportunity for response. Your first point is entirely reasonable on nero's part. Second point goes for many slots, yet you only mention on the target convenient for you. Third point in entirely unreasonable on your part. Not everyone has the scum PM that lets them know exactly who the scum are. Town have to work it out over the course of multiple days.

2509 puts Garuda in a lose/lose response situation where his only option is to go, yes, to which you can just parrot of your previous claims on self preservation.

Shutting down all options for response is a terrible easy way to cause mislynches at best and is a venomous scum tactic at worst (or vice versa if I'm right in assuming you have a scum PM).

by point, you're referring to individual responses right? the first response in 2498 wasn't even a point against him. which part of the second response goes for many slots? third response is questioning who he thinks is scum outside of the people voting him.

2509 was a joke, lol. even nero understood that.

where are the impossible-to-give-a-town-response-to questions you're referring to?

Ok, I just realised something. Like actually got out of bed, because it was nagging at me.

Why are you even continuing this conversation? If everything I'm saying is as flimsy as your saying, why do you care? What town motivation is there for you to entertain a line of inquiry that is as terrible as you're making it out to be. You are so ready to discredit those that call you scum and shut down any lines or investigation into alleged scumminess, and yet can't produce the kinds of read lists that you seemed to expect of your suspects yesterday.

The scum motivation for this attitude to the gamestate is immense, and there is no way I can see town put this much effort into ensuring that town thinks they're town.

And to think I hate not being able to get to sleep.

Scum have both cop and NK. I was probably locked-out of those auctions.
Not sure if it was one team or combination of both.

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:Still?

I do :/

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:You're welcome!

I'm not really sure I understand what connections or contrasts you're trying to draw here, though. I'm fairly sure there are a few things from S&L that I was sure enough about for it to be genuine.

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:This probably isn't something that's gonna happen without an explanation.

What explanation he has given doesn't make me inclined to vote muffin. I'm still waiting on quotes/links/elaborations to 3124 from him, btw.

In post 3197, Harakiri wrote:Why? We've let Nero Cain, Seanald and others get away with stupid advertisements. I think we've established enough precedent that we're fine to allow people to advertise & get these shit-tier abilities and no one will bat an eye.

Seanald's an established idiot, and Nero put too little thought into exactly how abilities like LP and I think Vote Freeze are actually pro-town, but where exactly is this with BB? Yes, adding in Tailor and LP to the list isn't the best idea, but Tailor was added in because of a misunderstanding regarding how that worked, and there's more than enough pro-town abilities in that list that you cannot possibly imagine this being a stupid-town move nor some kind of scum ploy. Or you can tell me what the scum motivation is in advertising all those abilities is?

As for your "not batting an eye" comment, I'm just going to refer you to pgs. 127 and 128, and if you can't see what I'm talking about re: Mina, you deserve a facepalm.

In post 3198, BBmolla wrote:Why would we policy lynch day 4, are you on drugs

Also, this.

In post 3201, ProHawk wrote:Thats cool. Let me do every freaking anti-town thing in every freaking game so that when I do draw scum, I won't get lynched for it.

A.) Just because you do it ever game doesn't always mean it can be called null in relation to you (at least I don't think so)
B.) That's not his point. Nice discredit, tho.

Also, there's a difference between "hesitating" (which I didn't do) and "deferring" (which I did). Learn it, plz.

In post 3202, zMuffinMan wrote:if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

Most of the reasons came from things Seanald said and/or did near the end of the day, though. And also a shift in read from "stupid but can stay alive" to "needs to die" (at least for me in part, anyways).

In post 3203, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't think you actually do understand what the phrase "the straw the broke the camel's back" means. I'm not voting him for that alone. I have provided other reasons why I am voting him, which you sem to be ignoring.

You're saying that was the final straw. I'm saying that it's too damn light to BE the final straw, and/or that it isn't anything close to a final straw but you're making it out to be like it is for you when it's really not.

I am very much aware of your other reasons. My problem is with what you decided to use to say "Okay, that's it, Pie needs to die" because it's not something that's worth such a declaration. And I don't think you've answered me as to why it's bad and not bad because I've already said I highly agree it's the latter.

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:Vote: KingdomAces

Mhork, Molla.
Does this sound good to you?

Am I leaning too much on why I think Aces is town or is there something I'm missing?

In post 3194, Garuda wrote:I don't understand why Voided voted Seanald in 112.

112? I don't have a post 112.

In post 3205, Espeonage wrote:No that was you asking questions with no possible town answer to Nero just as he his wagon hit tipping point.

Huh?

Also, not going to be voting with Esp anytime soon.

(fuck having to retype this THREE FREAKING TIMES <_<)

In post 3213, PeregrineV wrote:Scum have both cop and NK. I was probably locked-out of those auctions.
Not sure if it was one team or combination of both.

You tried to bid on both?

In post 2803, zMuffinMan wrote:but that brings up an interesting point. you were so confident in your harakiri read D1 and you dropped going after their lynch altogether in favour of mhork, who you didn't want to lynch D1. was that just because you didn't like the way mhork voted you?

mhork's day 1 play=//=day 2 play. You accuse me of static reads but when my reads change its also scummy? dammed if I do, dammed if I don't.

In post 2857, zMuffinMan wrote:still like the nero wagon. i feel if nero were actually town here, there wouldn't be so much resistance to his lynch.

This is really really fucking dumb.

In post 3046, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 3037, Nero Cain wrote:Well why not? Is he your scumbuddy or something?

So the first thing you jump to is I'm his scumbuddy? Occam's simply doesn't cut that way, Nero.

Other than getting an answer from why you hadn't looked at the DP wagon, I put a little force behind it to see what your reaction would be. You just dodged the question by whining about the accusation. I HIGHLY doubt you were on DP's team 'cause he was a CW to you. So why were you not looking at the DP wagon?

In post 3069, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 3066, morph the cat wrote:Seanald's posts overnight make me very cool with his lynch. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll take up the albatross again.

It seems more like Nero and I should be lynched just for the sake of preventing us from being mouthpieces for everyone else to chew on and prevent them from getting anything else done, doesn't it?

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Absolutely not. There's absolutely no town motivation in sayin' "oh hey guys, lets just lynch me and Nero." That's like a waste of two days. (Your lynch wouldn't be one but unless we spend the rest of the day scumhunting then its still a waste.) Also you calling me a mouthpiece while calling me scum seems like a disconnect.

Sent money to LB last night.

Done with page 123, the rest tonight.

In post 3202, zMuffinMan wrote:yeah, well, you're a derp and i don't give two shits whether you think i'm scum. you're naive and clueless if you really believe there weren't scum eagerly jumping on the seanald lynch. iirc, outside of PV and prohawk and maybe a couple others i forget, no one showed interest in getting a seanald wagon going D3, prior to the last 24 hours before the deadline. if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

yeah I agree there was scum on his wagon. just fkin look at it. I went to go look at who was pushing him near the end of D3 and the thing that pinged me the most was actually you staying off his wagon, rather than someone on the wagon, so I wanted to check there first.

In post 3161, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Fuck off. You can't just dismiss everything I say as "that's bullshit, I can't be bothered with busywork so I'm not going to answer any of these accusations".

no

In post 3166, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I don't recall you answering this before now, and I looked through your iso. You quoted me asking it and gave a non-comital answer - "I don't remember. It's not relevant."

well yeah how the hell should I remember exactly what post in your ISO it was? after you asked me again I decided I'd humor you and find the post again.

In post 3168, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:If you were just moving on, why did you bring it up three times?

moving on as in I never tried to pursue any scumread I had on any of them. go try to find one post I made where I legitimately pushed either Nero or Mhork. good luck ~

In post 3169, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Not really. Why, other than to make Mhork look bad, did you say you didn't believe that he had contacted Pyro after he had been confirmed through morph?

I didn't actually say that

In post 3170, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:There was one vote on Voided at that time; that's hardly a wagon.

no

In post 3171, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Did I say you were the one that came up with the idea?

you implied it by saying I said "omg all the apathetic people are scum" and not bringing up anyone else who agreed with the idea of scum apathy

In post 3214, Voidedmafia wrote:Seanald's an established idiot, and Nero put too little thought into exactly how abilities like LP and I think Vote Freeze are actually pro-town, but where exactly is this with BB? Yes, adding in Tailor and LP to the list isn't the best idea, but Tailor was added in because of a misunderstanding regarding how that worked, and there's more than enough pro-town abilities in that list that you cannot possibly imagine this being a stupid-town move nor some kind of scum ploy. Or you can tell me what the scum motivation is in advertising all those abilities is?

I still don't see how Molla would think Tailor can be town-aligned in any scenario, and why the fuck would you advertise Love Potion . I think that molla was trying to hide it in the cacophony that is his advertising. Scum motivation is setting up to use their money advantage to sneak all of them up on a mass level.

As for your "not batting an eye" comment, I'm just going to refer you to pgs. 127 and 128, and if you can't see what I'm talking about re: Mina, you deserve a facepalm.

Gimme a sec I know LB kinda struck me as odd today.

Also, this.

It's not a policy lynch, it's using mechanics to scumhunt.

It turns out that people don't like shopping in a mall that reeks of dead cat that science has gone too far against.

It also turns out that morph the cat's Morph Your Cat Boutique had been violating several rules from the EPA with its chemical transformations. Not to mention OSHA. Not to mention the DOD, and I do believe that there was more than one CIA agent hovering around, too.

People walking around in full hazmat environmental suits had a negative impact on the shopping experience. Also, we may have all already contracted cancer.

I got the attention of everyone in the food court. "Does anyone have protection suits? No? Air filtration units? No? Full body latex coverings? Just one, I see. Well, guys, we need to hurry this up and get out of here before we start sprouting extra appendages. Let's hurry it up."

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shit

As expected.

atm I'd be fine with lynching KingdomAces, Voided, or uwop

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.