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In post 3186, The Fox and the Hound wrote:My initial thought is that Orc's BSing with the governor thing.

A provable role? Uh ya ok man. I mean it could be a scum role for sure, but lying?

In post 3189, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3184, Kagura wrote:

In post 3176, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3172, Kagura wrote:

In post 3169, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:How does the role work? doesn't sound like a governor.

He's basically promising lynch immunity to anyone who doesn't lynch him.

VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

Fuck you, I'm out.

you're going to post me a nice long paragraph explaining what happened the last fourty pages and why you suddenly have this massive boner for an orc flashwagon or i am going to put you up against tammy to be lynched

that would be a bit ironic.

With the threat of putting Kagura up against Tammy, it could be a stupid gambit.

~Ceph

And sure enough, part of me wants to unvote it for solely that stupid reason.

In post 3052, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I've had him as town too, but there's just little things that bug me a little. I know I'm not the most predictable player, especially after someone fools me in recent games. How sure I am I can read them next time out has a lot to do with whether I think I understand why I misread them in the first place. I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra. But, he wouldn't know that. And yet, he pushes me on my townread and basically backs off with a shitty answer that didn't address any recent history reasons for me to be suspicious of him.

But mostly, it's the fade. Though he fades as town too sometimes.

And the lack of presence doesn't help.

What recent history reasons to be suspicious of me?

In post 3202, Titan wrote:

In post 3189, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3184, Kagura wrote:

In post 3176, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3172, Kagura wrote:

In post 3169, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:How does the role work? doesn't sound like a governor.

He's basically promising lynch immunity to anyone who doesn't lynch him.

VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

Fuck you, I'm out.

you're going to post me a nice long paragraph explaining what happened the last fourty pages and why you suddenly have this massive boner for an orc flashwagon or i am going to put you up against tammy to be lynched

that would be a bit ironic.

maybe but i am being absolutely fucking serious

i do not like being woken up in this manner

In post 3205, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3052, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I've had him as town too, but there's just little things that bug me a little. I know I'm not the most predictable player, especially after someone fools me in recent games. How sure I am I can read them next time out has a lot to do with whether I think I understand why I misread them in the first place. I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra. But, he wouldn't know that. And yet, he pushes me on my townread and basically backs off with a shitty answer that didn't address any recent history reasons for me to be suspicious of him.

But mostly, it's the fade. Though he fades as town too sometimes.

And the lack of presence doesn't help.

What recent history reasons to be suspicious of me?

Vesperia

our Selkies scum games, particularly your lurking in them.

In post 3206, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3202, Titan wrote:

In post 3189, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3184, Kagura wrote:

In post 3176, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3172, Kagura wrote: VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

Fuck you, I'm out.

you're going to post me a nice long paragraph explaining what happened the last fourty pages and why you suddenly have this massive boner for an orc flashwagon or i am going to put you up against tammy to be lynched

that would be a bit ironic.

maybe but i am being absolutely fucking serious

i do not like being woken up in this manner

That is a shitty reason to be fucking serious.

On the other hand, what the hell just happened? I'll be back home in 30 mins to catch up ASAP before the deadline.

by the way

once deadline hits i'll governor whatever is going down

i'll take a bit to decide who to put up

only I and the two people i put up can talk, everyone else can only vote and unvote

I feel like in that situation I would be the one lynched.

I'm debating on claiming to avoid silliness, but I need to step out real quick. I'll be back in just a few.

Okay, just writing this out before I head out. I'll be back in an hour or so definitely before deadline so don't lynch anyone. Nacho, there's something I want to talk to you about but I can always do it in the neighborhood since deadline is imminent. Or I'll just do it once I get back.

Tammy, I am not this game and I think it is my fault but I am not sure where I am going wrong. It would help if you explain it or point out where I am going about it the wrong way so I can use that to approach the game better in the following days. I don't want to make this game unfun for anyone and I am sorry for doing that so far. There are a whole bunch of things that I think I am missing the subtexts for and not quite understanding why I am unable to make progress in this game. I don't think I have it all figured out quicker than anyone else, I was just overconfident in my scumreads. I'd do better if someone can actually explain what the issue is.

Here is the stuff I didn't really understand. You voted Orc even though you feel bad about it just when Nacho told you to vote Orc without really asking what your thoughts about him were but never voted RBD even when I said basically the same thing. That is, you didn't agonize over voting him or spend a lot of time trying to figure it out, you almost just voted on a whim. Maybe it is because I approached it in the wrong way. I know you have your reasons for doing that, I just feel like I am playing sub-optimally because I am pushing forward without really understanding what those reasons are and how to present that reasoning. I am sure there is a whole lot of things that are different for both players, but I want to understand what those are so I don't head off on the wrong track without realizing the differences. I can take a guess that one reason is that Orc was inactive and RBD were here and active although I am not aware of any others.

The other thing is that we were pretty much on the same page in this game even a couple days ago and were doing fine even to the point that you were the only one besides Desp who actually considered the possibility that Mastin and AP were bussing which is a really unconventional theory. But I think now, we are viewing the game differently and I'm not sure why. I think I missed a few crucial deductions that changed the gamestate from your POV but not mine. I'd like to know why and I think there is a good chance I can get back on the same page as you and others. Can you explain where I am going wrong (with the entire last few pages)?

Then pick some people you think are town and talk to them now about who you should choose.

Deadline lynches are stupid and uninformative.

On top of that we're not even lynching a hydra.

I see a gov claim in post above though so guess I can't even place a deadline vote.

p-edit: before ninjas

Falcon - I see your post. I need to run out real quick, but I'll be back in like a half an hour and will respond then.

In post 3151, Kagura wrote:If you vote orcinus today, I will listen to you tomorrow.

For the record.
Again.

If I was scum, well, first off, I wouldn't stoop to such a low tactic in the first place, but assuming I somehow thought it morally ethical a tactic to have pulled, I'd at least be sympathetic to BROseidon, like I kinda was in Anything Goes that AFB had the scumteam nailed but got mislynched and ignored.

Here, I have no such sympathies. Now if his misread were something that was plausibly on my end, sure, yeah, I might also feel bad. But everyone who actually knows me and knows Rancid is calling us both town. So that means that whatever problem there is, it's not on my end.

It's on his. And I've been willing to work with him. But he's created his own demons where there are none. I suppose on a technical basis I sympathize because I have my own mental health issues and have been in similar situations, but I don't empathize with him when he's the one making the misread. He's melting down over something that simply doesn't exist.

In post 3173, AngryPidgeon wrote:neighborize me tonight please. i dont actually know what faction or whatever i am though.

This might be a scumclaim. Need to check the front page, though.

In post 3207, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 3205, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 3052, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I've had him as town too, but there's just little things that bug me a little. I know I'm not the most predictable player, especially after someone fools me in recent games. How sure I am I can read them next time out has a lot to do with whether I think I understand why I misread them in the first place. I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra. But, he wouldn't know that. And yet, he pushes me on my townread and basically backs off with a shitty answer that didn't address any recent history reasons for me to be suspicious of him.

But mostly, it's the fade. Though he fades as town too sometimes.

And the lack of presence doesn't help.

What recent history reasons to be suspicious of me?

Vesperia

our Selkies scum games, particularly your lurking in them.

oh ok i see

so you expected me to make a self-town case??

where is bork anyways? his wagon turns out to be town and he runs away for what reason?

Titan wrote:I feel like in that situation I would be the one lynched.

I'm debating on claiming to avoid silliness, but I need to step out real quick. I'll be back in just a few.

lol don't

that wasn't bork. nacho's been posting for the last few hours.

In post 3170, Kagura wrote:

In post 3162, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 3151, Kagura wrote:

In post 3147, Yggdra Union wrote:

In post 3120, Yggdra Union wrote:mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

you can all listen to me and lynch obvscum today, or you can just watch it all fly by. your call

I'll just keep repeating this till you all listen to me kthx

-Y

If you vote orcinus today, I will listen to you tomorrow.

Why don't I get this same offer?

I'm on the end of my rope right now.
I hoped that reaching out to you and getting you to see my point would be the easiest aspect of turning this game around. It wasn't, and that's a large part of the reason why I'm so frustrated right now.

But I don't want to lynch PV. I think he is town. Orc is also clearly town based on his role. I get the whole reluctance to lynching AP but I am not convinced he is town.

I think Clyton is a good target.

Wait a bit before doing anything

I need to check something with Nati because we might be claiming our entire role to make sense of things here

Our role doesn't necessarily conflict with orcinus's role, but is hilarious fucking trolling by Cabd if he's also town

If Nati isn't around in the next 15 mins or so, I'll just full claim here

In post 3218, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:so you expected me to make a self-town case??

Not at all. I expected you to be more suspicious of me than to occasionally raise your eyebrow and then go back to whatever it is you're doing in this game. I expected you to make some sort of effort at sorting me.

In post 3220, CarbonFiber wrote: Orc is also clearly town based on his role.

No.

In post 3213, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Then pick some people you think are town and talk to them now about who you should choose.

the people who i think are town currently have their head stuck up their ass

Breakfast With Stalin wrote:that wasn't bork. nacho's been posting for the last few hours.

oh god that makes so much more sense
that's like 0/4 now just for the record

Orc is also clearly town based on his role

can we just outlaw these statements