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↑ ooba wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:this is the logic train that you keep consistently failing wrt me despite me asking you to clarify.

I wanted to lynch sotty d2, pointed out to nacho how opportunistic sotty's vote on me was, voted her d2 and d3. I wasn't around for kagami, that happened while I was at a board game convention.

I want you to walk me through the process how I don't get town cred for lynching sotty but you wld if metal flipped scum.

he looks like scum to me, but your constant non-stop dodging my questions when I am trying to pinpoint your reasoning for your thought progression is worse.

So maybe you are town and maybe MS partner is ABR\Alch\somebody else.

Which part of "I haven't got to it yet. And I will not do it today" is hard for you to understand.

If metal looks scum to you, vote him. And I will factor that in to the analysis process tomorrow. Because right now - all I'm seeing is a whole lot of noise of the "MS is bad - but you're worse" variety.

Do you think one of us is scum? - Yes\No
Do you think town would be better off if started off with 5 town: 1 scum on Day 7? - Yes\No

Then vote him

↑ ooba wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:I wanted to lynch sotty d2, pointed out to nacho how opportunistic sotty's vote on me was, voted her d2 and d3. I wasn't around for kagami, that happened while I was at a board game convention.

If MS flips scum, I will read all of the above before I make my decision on who to lynch next.

I've never advocated an auto "Lynch MS. If scum, lynch Mollie" because that's stupid.

I don't have the energy to do it right because I am devoting my energies to get a lynch with an fairly unresponsive town.

Against an opponent who will go to every-level to discredit\scare\make me waver from this crusade.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6363536 <-------- caught 0 scum. nope, didn't catch me either!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6344274 <-------- big version, caught 1 scum and caught SK

let me take this opportunity to shower all over your reads

If you're town, I'll say the same thing I said at the start of the day.

I asked you to join me on Sotty - you did. Join me again and we'll flip scum again.

↑ ooba wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ ooba wrote:

@ABR\@MS:

While I respect your wishes to vote Nacho, I also think you're wrong and going to be doing my best to get an actual scum lynch today. I will need one of you to switch at deadline.

@Mollie:

You're (and your team) are wrong about GreyIce - Please vote Shotty.

@Kagami:

I'll need you to vote.

you have my sword.

VOTE: sotty

Mollie, once I called and you answered.

I call upon your sword again. I will not lead you astray.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:ooba if you are scum again and I wind up trusting you then all I can say is fuck you. and not in a mean way.

VOTE: metal

↑ quadz08 wrote:

Votecount 1.4

Sotty7 (3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts
Kagami (3) - Nachomamma8, Hoopla, ZZZX
GreyICE (2) - Sotty7, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1) - Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:

↑ quadz08 wrote:

Votecount 1.4

Sotty7 (3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts
Kagami (3) - Nachomamma8, Hoopla, ZZZX
GreyICE (2) - Sotty7, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1) - Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

I'm discussing things with Titus and BBT right now. They're both running VCA's. We're all in agreement MS is likely Town, and 1.4 here shows he was a likely counterwagon to two players that flipped scum.

Personally, I think that interaction between Ooba and Mollie looks like Town-Town, and Wgeurts went away when I pointed out an incinsistency in his play. I'm thinking a wgeurts-greyIce team is likely, and Titus and BBT agree with at least the wgeurts lynch (they both think Ooba could be scum, and Titus has ZZZX in her lynchpool, but that's her least confident read.)

VOTE: wgeurts

If you guys still want to do Nacho's plan, I could switch to GI.

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:

↑ quadz08 wrote:

Votecount 1.4

Sotty7 (3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Seraphim, wgeurts
Kagami (3) - Nachomamma8, Hoopla, ZZZX
GreyICE (2) - Sotty7, EddieFenix
wgeurts (1) - Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

I'm discussing things with Titus and BBT right now. They're both running VCA's. We're all in agreement MS is likely Town, and 1.4 here shows he was a likely counterwagon to two players that flipped scum.

Personally, I think that interaction between Ooba and Mollie looks like Town-Town, and Wgeurts went away when I pointed out an incinsistency in his play. I'm thinking a wgeurts-greyIce team is likely, and Titus and BBT agree with at least the wgeurts lynch (they both think Ooba could be scum, and Titus has ZZZX in her lynchpool, but that's her least confident read.)

VOTE: wgeurts

If you guys still want to do Nacho's plan, I could switch to GI.

wge wouldnt be a bad wagon but i would wait for my team about it anyway

also tell your team my greatings

as always titus << i wrote that as tits the first time lmao << is always paranoid of me

↑ pirate mollie wrote:alchey does wguerts have a completed game with titus? cld you plz ask her for me?

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:

↑ wgeurts wrote:Nope, I originally wanted him lynched to follow the nacho plan.
But then I accepted a deal that I'd vote MS and that ooba gives me his vote D6 if MS is town.
That and we can freely lynch him without any complaints if MS is town.

Then why did you keep complaining how full of holes the Nacho plan is when it got us 2 scum and from your POV was about to give us a 3rd?

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ wgeurts wrote:Ooba, lynch zar with us.
If he flips town it'll back up your reads.

I'll lynch MS if that wagon comes back. I can then attempt the plan with Ooba if Ms flips scum.
ZZZX is going to push my lynch on any MS flip, I can feel that happening.

I've calmed down.
Anyone got anything they want to ask from me?

Also mollie, you're an odd one as nobody really knows what to make of you. I think ABR would be scum over you unlike ooba though.

is it because I have breasts that I am the odd 1 out? cos it sort of feels that way

it feels like there is this giant sausagefest going on and I am not invited cos I don't have the right parts.

I mean I can sit back and just be a bargaining piece of chattel cos that is more or less how you, zzthing and metal are treating me.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:alchey does wguerts have a completed game with titus? cld you plz ask her for me?

↑ wgeurts wrote:

↑ Alchemist21 wrote:

↑ wgeurts wrote:Nope, I originally wanted him lynched to follow the nacho plan.
But then I accepted a deal that I'd vote MS and that ooba gives me his vote D6 if MS is town.
That and we can freely lynch him without any complaints if MS is town.

Then why did you keep complaining how full of holes the Nacho plan is when it got us 2 scum and from your POV was about to give us a 3rd?

As there are now better options than a vengeful strategy.

↑ wgeurts wrote:So my new lynch order
MS
if town >>> Alch
If alch flips town
>>> Ice

↑ wgeurts wrote:Actually, no.
If ooba's wrong I'm going back to nacho.
Meaning I'll go back to my original idea.
Mollie, what do you think we should do?
Ooba, if he flips town then what?

↑ wgeurts wrote:Guessing you're not going to explain why.
VOTE: ABR
We're in a nightless and all info is relevant, hiding it is anti-town. I'm going to vote you until you say it was a joke or explain why it's serious.

↑ wgeurts wrote:UNVOTE:
That's a genuine point.

↑ wgeurts wrote:VOTE: MetalSonic
I do believe I also stated to ZZZX scum would pounce on the stuff you've pounced on as a sort of slayers gambit. You've attempted to falsely frame me, as expected from scum.

↑ wgeurts wrote:EBWOP:
And sotty, I need to look at the sotty/ICE interaction ...

↑ wgeurts wrote:

↑ GreyICE wrote:Your "townhunting" theory and townblock are so incredibly bad that one cannot believe you came up with them unbiased.

Nightless games inevitably snowball. See Camden, or my setup I designed with Hito. At the moment we have 4 mislynches to town loss, but after a single scum lynch we get a spare mislynch. 5 mislynches is nice. Two scum die, and we get 6. That's really nice. 3, and we get 7 fucking mislynches, and if we manage that we should all quit the site.

So the scum are going to be looking to vote as a block. I smell protectionist scum who wish to work together.

Reading the Sotty/ICE interactions (Via ISO) and I noticed this. This was never pushed afterwards was it?

ICE, why didn't you question ZZZX further on this?

↑ wgeurts wrote:If it's SvT I'd say ICE would be the town.
Can't tell what it is yet though.
Your thoughts ABR?

↑ wgeurts wrote:VOTE: Eddie
Ice has a very good point in 317, his reaction afterwards was also awful. He didn't even attempt to explain the inconsistency (like MS, however he just changes topic). Saying "you suck" isn't a valid defence.

↑ wgeurts wrote:ICE and Sotty could actually be TvT, I'm also not seeing Kagami's accusations of ICE just dropping the sotty read either.
Started a look at Seraphim as well, is his voting pattern always so erratic?
Willing to lynch kagami.
VOTE: Kagami

↑ wgeurts wrote:Imagine most of the scum are in {Kagami/Seraphim/Eddie/Zar}.
I honestly think Sotty and ICE are both town. This would be subject to change if Kagami flips town.

↑ wgeurts wrote:Ok, here's why I'm town reading Sotty.

His first post (112) starts my town read on him. He's already starting to figure out the game, trying to see who's town and who's not.

Then there's the interaction with GreyICE which I believe is TvT. Although his defences are a little shoddy I believe that he's truely convinced that GreyICE is completely pushing him off "lies", much as I did when MetalSonic voted me. He's received the similar tunnel-vision type play I admit I then got after MetalSonic and is trying to show everyone ICE is completely wrong and is early on biased into thinking ICE is scum for all his upcoming posts.

Once he draws away from this in the bottom of 208 and in the bottom half of 316 he shoes a pretty town mindset showing thoughts on players which develop as the posts go along.

There's also the fact that he finds everyone that's voting him is scummy and opportunistic. This is something I do myself as town when I'm getting frustrated when a wagon forms on me. As when you're town you know at some point scum will join it, so you try to show the world that as you are convinced there are scum on your wagon. The problem is, people don't think you're town and therefore it makes arguing "scum are on my wagon" a really weak argument. This type of behaviour is something I'd expect from town, it doesn't really make sense as scum.
His blatant demanding explanation how GreyICE has any good points on him also fits this frustrated town view.

640 is a nice post of his.

And there's a little town cred that he resisted hoopla lynch, could be faked but hey.

↑ wgeurts wrote:Yeah, hence I said it could be faked. But Sotty has real natural reads which you can follow if you look beyond the ICE tosh.
The hoopla thing is minor.

↑ wgeurts wrote:Now my Zar scum read isn't the strongest but it's base off him being rather "flexible" with his reads. If I'm wrong on one of my scum reads it's probably him.

His reads list in post 717 is rather conveniently structured. He's got a Sotty/Seraphim/Eddie/Kagami lynch-pool; basically a broad group of those that the most people suspect of being scum. Hoopla's also nicely in the middle meaning he can transition to her quite easily if wanted, this was when discussion on hoopla was starting and hadn't yet brought up a wagon or strong scum conviction. He also doesn't vote anyone strengthening my thought that he was setting up to cherry-pick a good wagon after waiting a little more.

969 continues this as he votes sotty when hoopla and kagami are both being wagoned hard at that moment. Why doesn't he vote them as it's obvious sotty isn't getting lynched at that point in time, kagami he fully ignores (one of his scum-reads) and he doesn't say a word on hoopla. Could it be, he's once again positioning himself to join one of these wagons? Using the sotty vote to make it look less blatant?
He also starts to shed a bit more doubt on nacho, around the same time others were starting to shed doubt on nacho. 975 blatantly expresses this suddenly growing suspicion, he's still pushing a stupid wagon and not even commenting on kagami.
Most of his nacho scum read is because nacho town reads seraphim while Zar doesn't making nacho suspicious.

The next day he suddenly agrees with a kagami lynch, he completely ignored it the day before and now he decides it's worth pushing. He also makes sure that he shows suspicion in nacho, the other likely wagon. Sotty is no longer worth wagoning it appears.