In post 3199, Momrangal wrote:Also, math. While I have some free time im gonna say my piece. Up until you blew up at nico you didn't make it clear that your gender was changed and even I was a little confused. I know you as Titus's sister and I probably would have misgendered you to and I apologize if I already did but I honestly think she was genuinely confused.
Nico is clearly town and if there is a scum mason, it's in the latter pair. I think you are letting the emotions get the better of yourself regarding your reads and while I know you and your sister (well I know your sister does, I'm assuming the same for you) prize yourselves on logic, I say see what mastina has to say tomorrow and leave that alone.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said Mastina was obvTown as scum I would be a billionaire. Mastina together with anyone can make them look like town
In post 3197, NicoRobin wrote:Not to mention she outright said she can't give it to me. :/
I believe Nico is referring to mastina, that Mastina can’t give the ninja to Nico.
In this case (keep in mind I haven’t read the entire thread yet and this would have been an important event I am asking about.
There are only two reasons WHY she can’t that I can think of:
Ascetic on Nico or disloyal on her modifier.
I kinda doubt Nico is ascetic and mastina said she townread MOMOMEN. That would make her scum or she is lying about townreadinc momomen. Which makes her scum. Or she can explain why she can’t.
You need to straight up stop calling him she. Its disrespectful and further more, he is trying to game solve. If he can ensure me an accurate result, I don't care about what he can exactly do. He can contribute to a gamesolve then let him and go after another scum read because I know she has one.
Everyone else do the same. I'll settle on something else but I think NM would be the best lynch.
Underlined is my response.
Not Mafia is town. Not feeling it.
In post 3194, OnTheMark wrote:6) momomen is complaining about apathy when it’s Mother’s Day it’s bound to be slow and other factors which do not need rehashing were contributing. Momomen is trying to control the narrative that the apathy is scum driven but the game was shit before I hopped in
The game was shit before you joined. Its been shit since about page 80... which is what I said. Its been apathetic for far longer than mother's day too, good try. I do laugh at you peddling a 9:4 game while ALSO saying that 4 masons is impossible though.
9 v4 happens a lot and I am not peddling that it is a mere possibility. If it’s 10v3 with 4 masons scum don’t even get to lylo soooooo you’re torpedoing your own theory
7) With mastina and momomen linked by mastina’s claim she is going to make momomen ninja despite the mason partner this implies they are the same alignment. Thus mastina Nico monomen.
I mean, Mastina can confirm I'm Loud, so sure. Did you have a better suggestion for her to target? Because she can still change it, and I posted in the thread about it and not a single person objected. Also, good luck shipping me as a team with a pair of masons, there was much better options for you to take here but sure your scum game is brilliant. Instead, you're peddling a scum team involving a person every single other player townreads and their mason partner, and a global townread bar Cheeky. n1.
I already suggested momrangel. I objected as I have said she is scum many times over. I don’t care about “better” I care about reality. Mastina can and will target momrangel or her mason partner or it is a scum claim. I would bet 10000000% Nico isn’t ascetic and therefore she could target Nico and is lying
1) 5 confirmed towns is unwinnable for scum.
2) 4 masons and a mason cop would be 5 unwinnable towns
And since when is a mason cop confirmed town? That claim is more likely to come from scum...
Because law of numbers. 4 masons is unwinnable for scum. Even if mass claim D1. If you take out the mass claim then scum are never in control of their destiny.
3) mastina claimed mason and neg utility power role (granting ninja if memory serves) and is giving it to momomen and not her mason partner. Nico should be mastina’s top townread as masons.
Because it gels with my role. And this has been in the thread. And nobody has or is objecting.
Except Wisdom and myself who object repeatedly. What did you claim? Can’t find it[/i]
4) My role while neg utilty seems to directly counter what Mastina is doing.
Your neg utility role counters her neg utility role... you would have had a MUCH better time trying to ship those roles as town synergy. Lol.
Good thing I am not a salesman or a shipper and I work in reality then
5) Not Mafia and Pine has weird reactions from what I am used to. I voted Not Mafia as a reaction and Pine called it self preservation despite the fact I counted everyone of his meta points. Not mafia’s reaction seemed genuine so is probably town. Was more concerned that Not Mafia was buddying at first.
So you voted Not Mafia because he is probably town?..
Not what I said at all. I was reaction testing to determine which
If momrangal scum and lies we get three scum.
...no?
Yes. If we mislynch a mason tomorrow momrangel confirms as scum and the other pair as scum. FYI if you’re insistent on checking the pair Momrangal check lovebird. Beeboy claimed mason godfather. I would much rather you check Mastina
If Momrangal scum and truthtells we get two scum.
I mean, sure.
If Momrangal is town and truthtells we get two scum.[/quote
I mean, sure.
It feels like scum on their last gasp.
Nico and I are probably the most widely townread players in the game, but sure, we are on our last gasps as a genius scum team who couldn't outplay the blade.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:02 am
by NicoRobin
We have to more days, so either do it or the day will end in no-lynch, which gives scum more leeway to control the game.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:04 am
by NicoRobin
Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:08 am
by OnTheMark
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:10 am
by Kokichi Oma
This is going nowhere. If it comes down to it at deadline I guess I'll vote mark so we dont no lynch. But, can we all agree on a wagon please
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:17 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
my vote is remaining where it is for purposes of things I have discussed earlier, and because I think that slot is scum, but I will vote the counter wagon to mark if it is required. I believe mark to be 100% town.
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
That would make her disloyal.
Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.
So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.
Because you’re clearly not ascetic.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:33 am
by OnTheMark
In post 3207, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:my vote is remaining where it is for purposes of things I have discussed earlier, and because I think that slot is scum, but I will vote the counter wagon to mark if it is required. I believe mark to be 100% town.
Then you don’t vote me.
Ever.
I am giving you two scum and forcing a leash on Momrangal.
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
That would make her disloyal.
Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.
So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.
Because you’re clearly not ascetic.
No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
That would make her disloyal.
Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.
So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.
Because you’re clearly not ascetic.
No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....
And since you and she talked then you should be able to claim the modifier or part that forces her to not be able to.
In post 3207, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:my vote is remaining where it is for purposes of things I have discussed earlier, and because I think that slot is scum, but I will vote the counter wagon to mark if it is required. I believe mark to be 100% town.
Then you don’t vote me.
Ever.
I am giving you two scum and forcing a leash on Momrangal.
Like LLD and Kokichi explain?
I'm.
Not.
Voting.
You.
Reading.
Is.
Tech.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 am
by Pine
Is OTM lynched yet?
The degree of stubborn thickheadedness in this thread is disheartening.
In post 3207, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:my vote is remaining where it is for purposes of things I have discussed earlier, and because I think that slot is scum, but I will vote the counter wagon to mark if it is required. I believe mark to be 100% town.
Then you don’t vote me.
Ever.
I am giving you two scum and forcing a leash on Momrangal.
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
That would make her disloyal.
Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.
So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.
Because you’re clearly not ascetic.
No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....
And since you and she talked then you should be able to claim the modifier or part that forces her to not be able to.
But wait you can’t do you keep up the lie.
What if there is no modifier, but rather a clause that prevents her from giving it to me?
Mark is confirmed town to me, as far as I can tell.
Should I vote you?
A reminder that with how little time left we have, if I vote you it never moves again.
Explain the confirmation to me and I'll vote RF with you. He's been on my list for a while.
FWIW, we had you as scum too, but your recent attitude strikes me as very Town!you.
As for voting me, *shrug*. It'd be a shame to waste a vote you can't easily move.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:55 am
by NicoRobin
And FYI, just because we talked doesn't mean I am going to question her excessively. She is my mason partner, and I don't question my own mason partners. If it were different and we were just neighbors, then I would have questioned her until I dropped, but as it stands, there is no reason to ask questions.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:59 am
by NicoRobin
If you are so analytical about mafia and setups, you should at least know that a restriction doesn't automatically involve a modifier.
In post 3203, NicoRobin wrote:Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....
I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.
If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.
Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?
Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.
It's in her role PM that she can't....
That would make her disloyal.
Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.
So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.
Because you’re clearly not ascetic.
No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....
And since you and she talked then you should be able to claim the modifier or part that forces her to not be able to.
But wait you can’t do you keep up the lie.
What if there is no modifier, but rather a clause that prevents her from giving it to me?
Then that “clause” would be a part of the role name and thus a “modifier”
It’s like saying you’re a one shot roleblocker but don’t claim the modifier
Surely you should be able to claim the clause.
Is it “people not named Nico only” “people without a PT only?” “People with out birds in their names or avatars?”
This isn’t about “grilling” if you’re confirmed town to each other surely you have claimed to each other.
Mark is confirmed town to me, as far as I can tell.
Should I vote you?
A reminder that with how little time left we have, if I vote you it never moves again.
Explain the confirmation to me and I'll vote RF with you. He's been on my list for a while.
FWIW, we had you as scum too, but your recent attitude strikes me as very Town!you.
As for voting me, *shrug*. It'd be a shame to waste a vote you can't easily move.
LLD and Maria R be townie AF yo.
Like never lynch them ever.
They got my ear.
And MariaR yeah apparently because people don’t want to confront reality.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:06 am
by NicoRobin
Like, take a good look at the spoiler, chap
Spoiler: really old
Steven Universe, A Child With a Intergalactic Destiny
I have to protect you, what if somehow you get hurt? What do I do? I don't want that for you.
You are aligned with The Crystal Gems. You are a Gem and a Human.
Is it weird I'm getting numb to this?
So long as the Stress meter is at +1 or higher, you may not be killed normally. Events and special kills will still kill you.
At +4 Stress, you may not be removed from the game in any way--kills, events, lynches, etc. will all fail on you.
Your priority for being Leader of the Crystal Gems is 1.
If you are Leader of the Crystal Gems, you may not be killed normally. Events and special kills will still kill you.
Once per game, you may bring a lynched-and-bubbled player back to life when you unbubble them.
Can we talk for a moment?
You have been provided with an alternate account.
If you alter the password or details of this account, I will modkill you.
You may use this account for various factional and role-related abilities.
The account's username is: Steven Quartz
The account's password is: starchild
But at least I've got you. And you've got me! So stop leaving me out of this.
If you are in an Alliance with only Amethyst, you may decide to Fuse instead.
If you both agree to Fuse, you lose access to the rest of your role's abilities for the duration of your fusion, but gain the following:
When you form this Alliance, you may decide which one of you will die if either player were to die.
When both you and Amethyst are voting for a player, your votes are worth three votes altogether.
During the Climax Phase, you may target a player to cause their actions to fail. This will not stop Factional Kills.
If both you and Amethyst target the same player in this way, their actions will fail and they can not form an alliance for the following Episode--this will stop a Factional Kill.
If you're the one protecting me, then who's the one protecting you!?
Two shot. Climax-Phase only. Target a player you are allied with--all killing actions directed at that player will be redirected to you instead.
If you use this power, any attempts made by other players to protect you from kills will fail.
During the Season Finale, you are refunded one shot of this power.
During the Season Finale, you may select two players with this power.
Steven, you could be using your dreams to connect with her mentally.
One shot. Climax-Phase only. Target a player and decide 'anonymous' or 'in character'.
You will receive a Climax-Phase-only PT with that player--this PT will persist the entire game or until you form a different PT with this power.
If you choose 'in character', you will be able to communicate in this thread via the provided alternate account.
If you choose 'anonymous', you will join this thread as your primary account.
During the Season Finale, you are refunded one shot of this power.
EVENT:
I spent the day with my mind in your body.
EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Activate during Climax Phase.
PRIORITY: 0
REQUIREMENTS: +2 Stress or higher. Will fail if heading into LYLO.
Tied to the Flavor of the episode "The New Lars."
Target a player when you activate this Event.
You will learn that player's non-factional role information. This will yield fake-claims from scum.
You will be able to submit that player's action and alliance choices during the Climax Phase.
They will lose access to any alliance thread they would have had during this Event--you will take their place via an alternative account.
I will create a flavor-named account for you to use to access their alliance for the duration of the Episode.
At any point during the Exposition Phase, you may PM me to keep the chosen player from either being able to post or vote.
At any point during the Exposition Phase, you may PM me to change who the selected player is voting for.
How'd we get ourselves into this mess?
You are aligned with
The Crystal Gems
.
In order to win the game, at least one Earth-Aligned player and one Crystal Gem-aligned player must be alive.
In order to win the game, all threats to Earth must be removed from the game.
If all members of The Crystal Gems are dead, you lose the game.
This was my really old role in a really old game. Now, do you see any modifiers there? No? But it does contain some restrictions nonetheless.
