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Helping the counter wagon because I'm not a fan of the Lihin wagon.

This will allow structure in the votes so that any person who switches wagons will cause the lynch victim to sway.
VOTE: Oranje

↑ LucianRoy wrote:Helping the counter wagon because I'm not a fan of the Lihin wagon.

This will allow structure in the votes so that any person who switches wagons will cause the lynch victim to sway.
VOTE: Oranje

I literally hate every vote you cast. Can you vote the more likely scum please? For the hat buddies? After Drixx and Lihin flip, we can look into OC.

Titus ... let's go ahead and lynch me today. Then when you realize how colossal your error is, you might stop playing the "You made a hard push against me so you must be scum because nobody is allowed to push me when I'm instigating a fight with them" bullshit.

Seriously, I've looked at your site history and you pull this sort of shit all the time. I'd really rather be dead and out of this game than put up with your terrible logic and constant bullshit that makes no sense continuing to put up a smokescreen for scum to hide in. The more you continue to keep on bringing it up, the more I am losing a town read on you and the more I think you're exploiting it for everything you can.

So , by all means, lynch the hell out of me. The werewolf faction now knows not to attack me so my role utility is nil. The other faction won't kill me either because why on earth would a controversial townie EVER get night killed?

I normally enjoy playing town, but you have made this literally the worst experience ever. At least OM had the decency to realize his "case" was pretty much shit and backed off. You have had it pointed out by that your logic for me being scum doesn't add up, but you just don't give a shit about logic. It's not fun playing town when someone is being totally illogical and screwing things for the town by using me to continuously provide a distraction, allowing scum a free pass through the day.

@all - Seriously, lynch me and get my flip and get this over with. Anyone who wants to keep me around in the game at this point, now that Titus has made it clear that she won't be rational or reasonable, should be suspect. I have zero role utility and am essentially a VT in a game of PRs. Thanks to Titus making a really stupid ploy, I got paranoid that there were scum shenanigans going on with the votes, and Titus is too butthurt to be consistent in her thinking and thus I will never stop representing a negative utility value to the town. Me being dead puts to rest my alignment and then you guys can go look at who was taking advantage of this crap. Perhaps it will help kill scum.

Suicide is unacceptable.

I agree suicide is unacceptable. If I am a big an idiot, then no one will ever vote you. So what do you have to gain by resignation? Resignation here only helps you if you're scum. This is the second ploy I have seen on your behalf that seems tailor made to save Lihin.

First, you rolefish. Second, you volunteer to be lynched.

↑ LucianRoy wrote:Suicide is unacceptable.

I'm not self-voting, because the wagon that kills me should be useful for PoE later on. Suicide is doing something to get mod killed, which I will not do. That would result in both me being changed to neutral survivor (and losing any chance to win, making my desire to get out of the way and stop being a distraction useless to me) and likely a penalty against my faction {town}.

I've tried the logical approach with Titus. So have several other people. She refuses to be swayed by rational arguments. I tried talking on an emotional level. Titus doesn't actually what alignment I am. She's just mad because she thought she had this really clever play going on, and apparently that {sarcasm}super clever play{/sarcasm} had already been outed as a lie by TPTG earlier in the day. The person in the game who knows me the best already vouched for the fact that as scum I would never have gotten involved in a big fight. Titus would simply have died during the next night phase and that would have been that.

Objective facts don't matter to Titus. She will continue to cause disruption to the game until I flip and she's proven wrong, at which point she will continue to pretend like she is some paragon of perfect play and I'm just a plebe who doesn't know my place. There is literally zero upside for me personally to continue in this game. It's just an exercise in futility. I'm not learning anything or getting better because Titus has set aside reason and logic so there's literally nothing I (nor the other people who have pointed out that logically it makes no sense for me to be scum) can say that will stop this ongoing crap from continuing.

I represent negative utility to the town so long as this crap continues, and Titus doesn't appear to be the sort of person to even consider any viewpoints other than the first thing that pops into her head. That's a combination for giving scum a gigantic smokescreen to hide in for as long as I remain in the game.

So unless you all want to kill Titus, just kill me and get it over with. Then Titus can no longer help the scum factions by constantly kicking up a distraction for them.

I absolutely do care about logic. Hell, my logic at the late game as town is pretty damn good once we keep people from posting such lunacy as you. The votes usually get really close to solving the puzzle unless scum cw themselves.

I've pulled this exact same gambit before and it caught two scum and one town who has Titus is always scum itis. So yes, I believe you are scum. That's hardly sufficient to quit. Stop the melodrama.

If you want to convince me you are town, start acting like it rather than crying I think you're scum. K thx. Articulate your reads rather than spending every waking minute attacking me.

Drixx, stop the drama. Vote Lihin scum.

↑ Titus wrote:I agree suicide is unacceptable. If I am a big an idiot, then no one will ever vote you. So what do you have to gain by resignation? Resignation here only helps you if you're scum. This is the second ploy I have seen on your behalf that seems tailor made to save Lihin.

First, you rolefish. Second, you volunteer to be lynched.

The sooner I am lynched, the sooner your entire schpiel will be revealed for the idiocy it is. You are never going to stop pushing this ridiculous crap, and therefore you have robbed me of any value in this game. I play to get better, and you have completely closed yourself off from any consideration that you might be wrong. The only conclusion is that you will continue to make this an ongoing drama until my flip proves you wrong. I also predict at that point that you will refuse to take any agency or responsibility for your bullshit and talk about how there was "no way" you could possibly have realized ... even though several other people have tried to talk sense to you.

If you are so sure about your theory, then just vote me and shut up.

↑ Titus wrote:Drixx, stop the drama. Vote Lihin scum.

I don't really give a shit about anything else. No matter how Lihin flips, you're going to lynch me anyway. I want that lynch done as soon as possible. I cannot imagine how much glee the scum would get from getting dayphase with your illogical crap aimed at me giving them easy hiding places. There is absolutely that the question of my alignment causes the most distraction right now. There's no reason to wait to lynch me. The entire reason you think Lihin is scum is because you think I got into a huge fight with you to protect Lihin. Somehow this makes logical sense to you, even though !

This has nothing to do with anything other than me giving up. I cannot sway you because you have intentionally decided that there is nothing which will change your mind, and said so. You are not in the least bit swayed by other people checking in and telling you that you could be wrong. There is no reason to anticipate that you might change your mind any time soon. I am in a position where my continued presence as a living player is detrimental to my team's win chance. The only play for me to make to help my win con is to ask people to test your "theory" by killing me and confirming one way or another my alignment.

The fact that you continue to go back and forth with me and don't want me to get lynched right away means one of two things:

1.) You know you're being irrational but you are too proud to just mend fences and move on, as I tried this morning.

or

2.) You are gaining some utility from having me around as a distraction.

By your argument, you are completely convinced I am scum ... so why are you against lynching me? Isn't that contradictory?

↑ Titus wrote:If you want to convince me you are town, start acting like it rather than crying I think you're scum. K thx. Articulate your reads rather than spending every waking minute attacking me.

I've already told you the complete and accurate truth about what happened. Other people backed my logic. TPTG pointed out that your treestump claim lie was busted long before I noticed the vote number irregularity. Your case against me makes zero logical sense. You refuse to let contrary evidence even sway you, therefore there is no way to convince you, short of my flip.

So put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. I'm out. I'll prod dodge until I'm dead. I don't expect to respond to anything, give reads or really anything else. I won't be baited into helping you create more smokescreen. Have fun with your game. I'm pretty sure all you are going to accomplish is to luck into getting a scum, assuming Lihin flips scum. Lihin wasn't even your scumread or your case, but I'm sure you'll take credit for it and claim that your "approach" works because it's acceptable to mislynch one townie for one scum, and conveniently in your mind you will be the one responsible for Lihin.

Or, in a more just world, we'll both flip town and you'll just be outed for the irrational fraud you appear to me to be.

Peace and love to all, especially Titus who is horribly wrong about me.

↑ Drixx wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:If you want to convince me you are town, start acting like it rather than crying I think you're scum. K thx. Articulate your reads rather than spending every waking minute attacking me.

I've already told you the complete and accurate truth about what happened. Other people backed my logic. TPTG pointed out that your treestump claim lie was busted long before I noticed the vote number irregularity. Your case against me makes zero logical sense. You refuse to let contrary evidence even sway you, therefore there is no way to convince you, short of my flip.

So put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. I'm out. I'll prod dodge until I'm dead. I don't expect to respond to anything, give reads or really anything else. I won't be baited into helping you create more smokescreen. Have fun with your game. I'm pretty sure all you are going to accomplish is to luck into getting a scum, assuming Lihin flips scum. Lihin wasn't even your scumread or your case, but I'm sure you'll take credit for it and claim that your "approach" works because it's acceptable to mislynch one townie for one scum, and conveniently in your mind you will be the one responsible for Lihin.

Or, in a more just world, we'll both flip town and you'll just be outed for the irrational fraud you appear to me to be.

Peace and love to all, especially Titus who is horribly wrong about me.

Umm. You're being fairly ridiculous. If the game has lost all value to you, replace?

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ Drixx wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:If you want to convince me you are town, start acting like it rather than crying I think you're scum. K thx. Articulate your reads rather than spending every waking minute attacking me.

I've already told you the complete and accurate truth about what happened. Other people backed my logic. TPTG pointed out that your treestump claim lie was busted long before I noticed the vote number irregularity. Your case against me makes zero logical sense. You refuse to let contrary evidence even sway you, therefore there is no way to convince you, short of my flip.

So put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. I'm out. I'll prod dodge until I'm dead. I don't expect to respond to anything, give reads or really anything else. I won't be baited into helping you create more smokescreen. Have fun with your game. I'm pretty sure all you are going to accomplish is to luck into getting a scum, assuming Lihin flips scum. Lihin wasn't even your scumread or your case, but I'm sure you'll take credit for it and claim that your "approach" works because it's acceptable to mislynch one townie for one scum, and conveniently in your mind you will be the one responsible for Lihin.

Or, in a more just world, we'll both flip town and you'll just be outed for the irrational fraud you appear to me to be.

Peace and love to all, especially Titus who is horribly wrong about me.

Umm. You're being fairly ridiculous. If the game has lost all value to you, replace?

That won't magically make my slot stop being a distraction and a detriment to my alignment's win condition. The thing that will stop this nonsense drama with my slot will be mod confirmation of my alignment, and that only happens with death. Thus, I need to die. It's not emotional. It's completely rational.

You know me Cerb. I don't make decisions out of emotion. I am playing to the most optimal utility I can achieve given the current situation.

I don't understand the giving up here- your wagon consists of one person.
Titus has a lynch-on for you... tommorow she can't even vote if her claim is truthful.

Lihin has a strong wagon - if you think its bad, comment on it- if you think its good comment on that.
If you're think there is a better lynch candidate comment on that.
Wanting to be lynched doesn't help town at all. It probably doesn't even help you if you're scum.

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ Drixx wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:If you want to convince me you are town, start acting like it rather than crying I think you're scum. K thx. Articulate your reads rather than spending every waking minute attacking me.

I've already told you the complete and accurate truth about what happened. Other people backed my logic. TPTG pointed out that your treestump claim lie was busted long before I noticed the vote number irregularity. Your case against me makes zero logical sense. You refuse to let contrary evidence even sway you, therefore there is no way to convince you, short of my flip.

So put your money where your mouth is and lynch me. I'm out. I'll prod dodge until I'm dead. I don't expect to respond to anything, give reads or really anything else. I won't be baited into helping you create more smokescreen. Have fun with your game. I'm pretty sure all you are going to accomplish is to luck into getting a scum, assuming Lihin flips scum. Lihin wasn't even your scumread or your case, but I'm sure you'll take credit for it and claim that your "approach" works because it's acceptable to mislynch one townie for one scum, and conveniently in your mind you will be the one responsible for Lihin.

Or, in a more just world, we'll both flip town and you'll just be outed for the irrational fraud you appear to me to be.

Peace and love to all, especially Titus who is horribly wrong about me.

Umm. You're being fairly ridiculous. If the game has lost all value to you, replace?

This.

You are trying to paint me as some insane player that NEVER reconsiders her opinions. I reconsider opinions with evidence they are wrong.

Yet, you are absolutely refusing to do anything remotely resembling scumhunting to give me the opportunity to change my mind. I admitted I overreacted on how fast and hard you should be lynched, but scumreading you based on you failing my test is NOT an overreaction.

Lihin is also obvious scum. I've already highlighted the connection between your two slots before you decided to go all in on rolefishing me.

If you want me to get better, do SOMETHING to convince me I am wrong.

Narninian makes a good point. I am going to make a prediction and then just continue playing. I will be engaging with Titus and her "lynch-on", because my desire to stop being negative utility for town is rational and sincere and legit.

Prediction: There was a strong case made against Lihin which pre-dates the situation that arose last night. It therefore seems that Lihin has a higher than usual probability of being scum (although in multi-ball setups, a lot of people voting someone doesn't necessarily represent quite so many townies as it might in a single scum team setup). Since Titus has posited that I started asking questions about the vote number oddity as a way to save Lihin from being lynched, I predict that if Lihin flips scum, then I will be back to a huge distraction tomorrow. Even Lihin flipping town isn't likely to stop Titus dragging me through the dust and kicking up a distraction again.

The whole point of asking to just settle the question of my alignment sooner than later was to keep scum from having the rest of this day phase and all of tomorrow's day phase to hide behind the back and forth about whether to lynch me. I suppose we'll see if my prediction is accurate or not.


VOTE: Lihin {Please note I had previously voted for Lihin and you can look in my ISO for what I said at that time}

↑ Narninian wrote:I don't understand the giving up here- your wagon consists of one person.
Titus has a lynch-on for you... tommorow she can't even vote if her claim is truthful.

Lihin has a strong wagon - if you think its bad, comment on it- if you think its good comment on that.
If you're think there is a better lynch candidate comment on that.
Wanting to be lynched doesn't help town at all. It probably doesn't even help you if you're scum.

This, but the latter actually may Narn.

Look at the timing of our fight. Lihin had a wagon of 7. Here, Lihin wagon takes off again and Drixx is all lynch me please.

Lihin is likely more valuable of a scum role if I am right and they are both scum.

↑ Titus wrote:If you want me to get better, do SOMETHING to convince me I am wrong.

I, along with several other people, have already given you strong logical arguments that counter your case for me being scum. So far as I recall, you haven't even bothered to respond to them. You seem to have simply dismissed them outright, which is why I became convinced you were not able to be swayed by logic. This is the last I have to say on the matter. I already pointed out why you're wrong. It's not my fault that you refuse to even consider it, and if you won't consider it the first time I say it, you aren't likely to consider it if I repeat myself over and over.

↑ Titus wrote:

↑ Narninian wrote:I don't understand the giving up here- your wagon consists of one person.
Titus has a lynch-on for you... tommorow she can't even vote if her claim is truthful.

Lihin has a strong wagon - if you think its bad, comment on it- if you think its good comment on that.
If you're think there is a better lynch candidate comment on that.
Wanting to be lynched doesn't help town at all. It probably doesn't even help you if you're scum.

This, but the latter actually may Narn.

Look at the timing of our fight. Lihin had a wagon of 7. Here, Lihin wagon takes off again and Drixx is all lynch me please.

Lihin is likely more valuable of a scum role if I am right and they are both scum.

When every single piece of data somehow magically lines up with your theory, they call that . I think someone else on the site has coined this type of thinking the "Regardless of card".

The thing is, even just in this small post you are self-contradictory. If you believe that I'm scum helping a scumbuddy, then you should want me lynched. If I flip scum, then there's absolutely no reason to expect that Lihin would escape being lynched tomorrow. If I flip town, your entire theory crumbles. Logically this means you have doubts about me but you are rather sure of Lihin. If Lihin flips scum, you feel like you can easily get me lynched then.

The order shouldn't matter to you ... but it does. Why is that?

↑ Drixx wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:If you want me to get better, do SOMETHING to convince me I am wrong.

I, along with several other people, have already given you strong logical arguments that counter your case for me being scum. So far as I recall, you haven't even bothered to respond to them. You seem to have simply dismissed them outright, which is why I became convinced you were not able to be swayed by logic. This is the last I have to say on the matter. I already pointed out why you're wrong. It's not my fault that you refuse to even consider it, and if you won't consider it the first time I say it, you aren't likely to consider it if I repeat myself over and over.

That's because they are not logical. They are based in the fact you believed me. That wasn't why you were being scumread in the first place. It was the how and why you rolefished me. Town literally didn't care to push the statement.

You haven't done anything townie at all today. Rolefishing isn't townie. Offering to sacrifice yourself in an effort to save Lihin isn't townie. No, you don't get towncred for that vote either as you were dragged to it.

You want me to reset. Scumhunt. Don't go back to the past. That will not get you anywhere. I know what I was doing there.

↑ Drixx wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:

↑ Narninian wrote:I don't understand the giving up here- your wagon consists of one person.
Titus has a lynch-on for you... tommorow she can't even vote if her claim is truthful.

Lihin has a strong wagon - if you think its bad, comment on it- if you think its good comment on that.
If you're think there is a better lynch candidate comment on that.
Wanting to be lynched doesn't help town at all. It probably doesn't even help you if you're scum.

This, but the latter actually may Narn.

Look at the timing of our fight. Lihin had a wagon of 7. Here, Lihin wagon takes off again and Drixx is all lynch me please.

Lihin is likely more valuable of a scum role if I am right and they are both scum.

When every single piece of data somehow magically lines up with your theory, they call that

confirmation bias

. I think someone else on the site has coined this type of thinking the "Regardless of card".

The thing is, even just in this small post you are self-contradictory. If you believe that I'm scum helping a scumbuddy, then you should want me lynched. If I flip scum, then there's absolutely no reason to expect that Lihin would escape being lynched tomorrow. If I flip town, your entire theory crumbles. Logically this means you have doubts about me but you are rather sure of Lihin. If Lihin flips scum, you feel like you can easily get me lynched then.

The order shouldn't matter to you ... but it does. Why is that?

The order doesn't matter to me. You are pushing a contradiction where none exists. I said Lihin or Drixx dies. We can push the other tomorrow. I have a preference as to which one flips. That does not mean I don't want Lihin lynched. I want you lynched as *gasp* that's where my vote is.

There's nothing contradictory about having two scumreads and working with the town to lynch the popular one.

You're complaining about me tunnelling (which is what you mean there. The "regardless of card" is stating a player does something regardless of alignment. I use that frequently as either alignment as I want people to learn to read me). You're complaining about everything leads to you. Yet, you're also complaining about me working with town to lynch a different scumread to give you the chance to scumhunt?

Yes, I believe you are scum. Don't complain about me tunnelling and then gripe I'm working with people to get town lynched.

Just shut up. Don't talk to me. You are not helping. I am TRYING to tell you want to do to help this game progress.

Reads. Pick someone. Anyone. Make a town or scum case if their name is not Lihin, Titus or Drixx. Go.

nd then gripe I'm working with people to get town lynched.

Fucking damn it. To not get the town lynched. Fuck.

↑ Titus wrote:Town literally didn't care to push the statement.

I know I'm town and I'd care at least a little. Maybe not that much because DV knowledge isn't terribly important D2 (unless there's reason to believe it should be), but I'd probably at least make some light enquiries about it.

And since Titus wants you to scumhunt (and I want the two of you to shut the fuck up about each other for the rest of the day; honestly, at this point you're just as tunnelly onto Titus as you think she is onto you), tell me what you think about Oranje, Om, and Mag. And one other person once I remember who they were on the playerlist.

P-EDIT: SCUMSLI--nvm jk.

-Ivy, obviously

↑ Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:Town literally didn't care to push the statement.

I know I'm town and I'd care at least a little. Maybe not that much because DV knowledge isn't terribly important D2 (unless there's reason to believe it should be), but I'd probably at least make some light enquiries about it.

And since Titus wants you to scumhunt (and I want the two of you to shut the fuck up about each other for the rest of the day; honestly, at this point you're just as tunnelly onto Titus as you think she is onto you), tell me what you think about Oranje, Om, and Mag. And one other person once I remember who they were on the playerlist.

P-EDIT: SCUMSLI--nvm jk.

Oranje - Could be scum. Definitely not scum with Lihin or Drixx. Wgertz has this problem where he will appear scummy to a good chunk of the playerlist. Bro will always appear townie. I'm stating I'd rather not lynch them but I can see why others would want them lynched. I liked many of their points against Lihin and I do think they are a big force behind Lihin's wagon.

Om - I like what little she does post. Come out and play. Seriously, I'm not a cultist this time. *hug* I'm not after your mind.

Mag - She ended Day 1 in a manner that looked pretty obviously town to me. I haven't seen anything to change that day 2.

As for you not caring day 2, that's right. Your approach is what I would expect from town. Maybe light enquiries, nothing more. TPTG questioned me and I didn't lose my lid at all. There. Done.


Thoughts on Lucian? I have major troubles placing him. He'll swing from comments that sound really smart, then he'll forget the setup, then he'll make a vote that makes utterly no sense to me at all. I literally cannot fucking place him.