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↑ mastin2 wrote:Yes! It is!

What do you think that strangeness means?

That he made a bad assumption.

↑ mastin2 wrote:There isn't any good reason why this attack is one too many. Everything about the attack is just plain wrong. Which is why he's scum.

An incorrect case doesn't make someone scum.

I made it clear that I was going to switch back to this, if mastin didn't get any support. But if I see behavior that I think is scummy, then I'm going to pursue it. Everyone not voting Aristo or Kari needs to be... Kari is still a much better lynch than Aristo, she is scummier and she has already claimed VT.

↑ Aristophanes wrote:It has been unfair to the players here and to Anti, and thus I am replacing out. If it were going to get easier for me to contribute in coming days/weeks, I'd have remained, but it won't.

No worries, man. You weren't the original slot to replace in... Hope to play with you again.

↑ Lying Cat wrote:Given the amount of uncertainty in your reads, I don't think you're ready to do anything by PoE. I think you're bullshitting about your read on me, but I can't tell if you're doing it because you're lazy or scum. I brought it up to talk over with nacho and mastin in hopes of getting them engaged in a discussion.

Good enough?

Yep and I see your point. I'm uncertain about my bottom six or seven reads (so they have been changing a bit), but I'm confident enough in the rest of my reads. POE is just how I scum hunt. I haven't been proactive in developing a read on you because I don't have any concrete reasons and I have stronger scum reads which I have been pursuing.

I just can't do this any more. Sorry Anti, but I'm going to have to .

No, not really.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:I’ve already explained why this is wrong, you ignored me. If the commute inventor is scum, then they already know who is getting night killed and they could theoretically just give their commute to some other townish/nightkillable player. I’m starting to think the commute inventor is scum with you (if it’s not you).

You don't think there's a protective role in the game?

That's... strange.

I’m not answering this question. It’s too role-fishy. I’ve already (inadvertently) made it clear to scum that I’m not the commute inventor. All I will say is this: if the commute inventor is scum, that doesn’t mean town has no protective roles.

Regardless of the commute inventor’s alignment, mastin’s reason for town reading them is seriously flawed. That’s my issue. The commute inventor, if scum, can very easily protect the players that they know scum will not kill. Townish players receiving commutes is not telling… Am I wrong, Nacho?

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm confused why this attack in particular is the one that's just one too many, though. She seemed to attack you with the same confidence in most of those games; is 6 wrong reads just the magic number or something?

It’s the confidence in her read here that bothers me (because of her poor track record). If mastin were town that legitimately suspected me, I would expect her scumread on me to be of similar strength to her Flubber or vezok scum reads. But it seems unusually stronger.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Wicked when two people in a row call your argument bad maybe it's not so good?

Just a thought

I discussed with Cerb and convinced him that I had a valid point. He just needed more information. I feel that T S O has misrepped/misunderstood my argument, so I don’t give his mastin-defense any credibility right now. I could give you many examples of players criticizing my correct cases. When my scum reads are right, I’m rarely able to get support.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Some players just won't be able to read you worth a shit :/.
I agree that her attack on you is bad, but I've played with her much much more than you have and it doesn't look scummy. Sorry!

Okay, I’ll keep that in mind.


I have some work to do today. I will respond to mastin later.

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↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm confused why this attack in particular is the one that's just one too many, though. She seemed to attack you with the same confidence in most of those games; is 6 wrong reads just the magic number or something?

Mastina isn't horrible. She kept her vote parked for most of day 1, and has basically just taken the opposite position to whatever I argue, like a bit of a trope. I'm not caring for Mastina at all at the moment.

nacho who do you want to vote for and why?

Falling back on Jingle's vote he may be here later to explain it, or I might torture it out of him tomorrow.

VOTE: Flubber

Wowrandomvoteonanemptywagontonowhere...this one is such a renegade

↑ mastin2 wrote:Basically...Wicked's vote looked like scum, period. It looked a lot more like scum voting town than scum voting scum, but scum bussing's not impossible. It just doesn't look town.

What could you possibly find suspicious about a compromise vote? I explained why I don't like the Aristo bandwagon, so I voted for the only other option that town was interested in, the player that I think has a greater chance at flipping scum. You're scum or confbiasing if you seriously have issue with this, I'm literally voting for someone that you suspect - struggling to see your problem.

Another passive aggressive post about pre-flipped associatives

I hope you're talking about the post I quoted...

(still working on response to the rest)

↑ mastin2 wrote:No, I accurately pointed out no sane doctor (which the commute inventor serves as) would EVER have protected ZZZX (one nightkill), and there are DOZENS of reasons why the commute inventor wouldn't have protected Bins (among them being: not townreading her, not seeing her claim, not thinking she would be nightkilled, thinking someone else--Lying Cat--was far better a target, etc.), the other nightkill. We have a sample size of two. In short, just because the commute-inventor hasn't stopped a nightkill yet doesn't mean they won't. Sure, doc saves in games are pretty dang rare thanks to sheer probability and the doctor not being in the know, but if the doc lives long enough, then it's BOUND to happen sooner or later.

This doesn't address my point... You said the commute inventor, if scum, wouldn't have given the commute to Lying Cat because he was townish. But if the commute inventor was scum, and they knew that scum wanted to nightkill Bins, what is the disadvantage of giving the commute to Lying Cat? They know that the commute isn't going to prevent their nightkilll! They look good by giving the commute to a townish slot.

mastin wrote:No, it's different. Your posting is...ahck. The words aren't forming in my mind. The thought is there, but I'm struggling to get it out. It's different. I'm having trouble describing why it's different, but it is, and you insisting it isn't is part of why you're scum.

You insisting that it is part of why scum. I know that this is how I always post and I can't believe you're arguing with me about this. Could you give me an example of a post/comment that shows scum wording? I know it's hard to articulate thoughts like this. But I'm having a really hard time believing you and it would help me read you if you made an attempt at least.

mastin wrote:It's simple flow prediction. You've been going where you've predicted the flow would go, early on. That's the way I can best describe it. Sometimes, it's wrong, and you end up being the only one there (like voting Flubber), sometimes, it's right. But that doesn't change that it's still opportunism all the same. You don't have to be near the end of a wagon to be opportunistic. You don't even have to have much of a wagon at all to be opportunistic. The important thing about opportunism is sensing a weakness, latching onto it, and getting in while the going's good. Precise movements, well-executed, but still scum-driven.

This is ridiculous. You can call virtually vote opportunistic using this easy logic. Also, I had no reason to expect my Gork, Flubber, Jaqen, ika, or mastin votes to get support (I was simply that they would). The tide was never really shifting in any of those directions. You say that sometimes it's wrong and sometimes it's right but if you've really been reading my posts, you'd note that of my attempted wagon-starts have actually worked. If I'm scum trying to go where the tide moves before it moves there, I've been wrong.

mastin wrote:I have. For most of the game, I've been saying, "Wicked's probably scum, but I'm not sure". Basically scattered throughout my iso, it's there. That sensation that you are scum, but not very strongly so. Yet it's continued to grow as your scumplay has progressively more and more shown. The more scum things you've been doing, the more you've been making it obvious. And now, there is no doubt in my mind. There

was

, but your Kari vote killed it.

I haven't seen any point from you that is correct or strong enough to justify your certainty.

mastin wrote:

mastin has played with me more than any other player on this site, yet she has the worst track record when it comes to reading me.

Which I acknowledged early on...when I townread you. At the very beginning of the game, I quite literally said, "Wicked looks good, which means he's probably scum".

Okay so you acknowledged it early on, but you are ignoring it now. You think I'm scummy now, so why doesn't the "Wicked looks bad, which means he's probably town" thought come into your mind? You said there was no doubt in your mind.

↑ mastin2 wrote:Like I said.
Wicked's shown a very specific narrative convenient to him.

Which ignores the vast majority of the game.

Oh and what is this vast majority that I have ignored?

Folks...

↑ St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Folks...

Hey. You replaced into someone who did a lot of stuff so you might want to read the thread in full or at least your slots ISO.

Dear god, I replaced into the wrong game then. I can read my ISO and a couple pages an hour, but I'll miss the important stuff if ppl don't update me.

Dude whatever, you're functionally conftown right now.

Make sure Anti tells you who you targeted at night and dive in. If I have time later I'll do a post with a short history of the world from my perspective.

Last night my slot targeted lying cat

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:You insisting that it is is part of why you're scum. I know that this is how I always post and I can't believe you're arguing with me about this. Could you give me an example of a post/comment that shows scum wording? I know it's hard to articulate thoughts like this. But I'm having a really hard time believing you and it would help me read you if you made an attempt at least.

My town r read on wicked dwindles

On the first night there was only one kill, but on the second night there were two. I don't know what that means because I am pretty much just jumping in without a clue.