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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:17 pm
by Almost50
OH! Setup speculation!! My favourite subject! :lol:

Here's where I'm at:

Mafia Neapolitan flip gives both 1-shot Vig & Miller credit. Why? Bc they would return "Not Vanilla" to scum, so they would not just skip shooting them (i.e. good distraction).

The accepting the Miller = we have a town Cop (why else would we have a Miller??). So we have a cop and "they" had one. Makes me think they have at least 1 more PR (GF would suffice, but maybe something else due to hints of other PRs existence on the town side).

Back to game: Did anybody notice PV jumped the Mirhawk wagon as soon as Titus said everyone on either wagon was town?? No comment.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:04 pm
by Transcend
In post 3222, Airick10 wrote:
words

Vote: implosion
airick is my new favorite poster in the thread

zach you can become my favorite poster maybe if you vote implosion

but your throne has been stolen

also i'm off for two days and i'll probably make a case when i have time

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:24 pm
by Varsoon
In post 3209, beeboy wrote:I am not using scum meta. I think that is a stupid move to do as scum and I don't think you are a stupid player.
In post 3210, beeboy wrote:Would you make a completely uncalculated risk as scum?
Hohboy.
Please never figure out how I got this title, kthx
I wanna snow you with some absolutely filthy bad gambit one day, beefboy.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:42 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
I'm waiting for Mirhawk to show up and explain his vote on shannon along with Vedith and to say more about his Vedith townread. Pointing out that Vedith softed a PR is also shady. There was also
some
shade on Mirhawk D1 if I remember correctly.

Those early townreads on Nosferatu/Vedith (including Titus in ) are extremely suspicious and should not be ignored. Nosferatu/Vedith posts nothing but crap whole D1 and somebody townreads him? Hello? I would be seriously pissed if I were playing as scum with him and he posted something like so scumreading me is just :roll: , at least from my perspective.

PeregrineV's looked weird to me upon reading his ISO. Noted.

From people on Vedith wagon, I think it's between Titus or beeboy. But I'm giving these guys a pass today.
There's no way beeboy survives f3 if he's scum, so I guess we leave him alone for now.

Dunnstral, Zach and Wake are close to confirmed towns for me, Almost50 too (because of claim). I'll continue to unapologetically sheep Dunnstral whom I identified as town very early in the game.

I don't understand AGar's point about me, I think I'm expressing my thoughts just fine, however I admit I got lazy D2. Anyway, I think he's town and wagon on him on D1 was a scum diversion.

I think Mirhawk is a good shot for catching scum. I'd say it's around 50% now.

Implosion, I don't know. It's possible that Nosferatu is not the brightest flower in the field and posted and with implosion as his partner.

Not much to say, really. From my point of view, I think we're doing fine and town wins as long as we play logically and noone does anything stupid.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:44 pm
by Transcend
What's your read on implosion subtracting anything Nos said about implosion?

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:46 pm
by Varsoon
Hey, look, Boem, you're probably right.
VOTE: Boem

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:47 pm
by Varsoon
Wait I meant
VOTE: Mirhawk

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:47 pm
by Varsoon
For some reason I thought voting you would vote the person you were voting man I need to go to sleep like right now.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:48 pm
by Transcend
VOTE: Mirhawk

whatever

this game is just a dick-jerking fest

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:48 pm
by Varsoon
Is it, though?

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:52 pm
by Varsoon
Image

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:05 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3228, Boem_u_dusi wrote:There was also some shade on Mirhawk D1 if I remember correctly.
Probably from me

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:19 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
In post 3229, Transcend wrote:What's your read on implosion subtracting anything Nos said about implosion?
I missed that, where did that happen?

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:20 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
VC would be helpful here.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:44 pm
by Transcend
Nos pushed initial suspicion on implosion. IT was relatively weak. He never threw a vote or anything his way. AND keep in mind that a theory that has been tossed across this game MIGHT actually be a reality in that we can be in multi-ball.

I just wanna know what your thoughts are on implosion subtracting the whole Nos thing.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:47 pm
by Transcend
I kinda wanna just see how much momentum on implosion I can get without delving into a giant ass case. I already have a contender in Airicknumbers.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:25 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
Let's see about implosion. I'm doing ISO with few comments along the way.

He was townreading shannon in .
He expressed doubts about Sickofit wagon in . Fishy. Sickofit has done nothing at that point of the game not to be wagoned.
He voted me without an explanation in when we were past RVS. I'm not grudgy, fine.
He talks about
sorting Nos
in , expresses some doubts about him. I dislike this.
He expresses doubts about Mirhawk in .
He says
Nos is probably town
in .
Both Sickofit and Nosferatu are in his townreads in . This is off. His scumreads are {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.
He says
I rather doubt scum would have randomly claimed macho
in .

In following posts, he votes Titus, unvotes him and then votes Mirhawk. Some discussion with Titus which is tldr.

He calls Zach
transparent town
in .
His says
I honestly have no idea how to read anything Wake has posted as alignment-indicative
in .

Following posts are fluffy. That's fine, null.

He says he has
a very strong townread on Lapsa and a moderately strong townread on Sick
in .
He votes PeregrineV in and is convinced that AGar is scum.

Following posts are pointless bickering about abbreviations. That's fine.

I have to say that his tone starts to feel a bit frustrated, but that's maybe confirmation bias.

Following posts are mason talk. He is strongly against lynching among mason claims.

He says
Titus/dunn/zach are all town. Varsoon probably is too.
in . If we lynch him and he flips scum, this is worth looking at.
He defends Nosferatu in . He says he's happy with AGar pressure.
He changes his mind about Nosferatu/Vedith in . He says he's willing to lynch him and says
Nos was one of my weakest townreads
. He also says
I actually haven't really been paying attention to Vedith's posts
. This is extra fishy.
He votes Vedith in .
He unvoted Vedith and votes AGar in . He prefers AGar lynch to Vedith. Little nervous here. Probably a diversion.
He votes Almost50 in .
He says
Oh yeah i also want to lynch mirhawk more than before i think but i don't remember why it was
in . Maybe because he was trying to save Vedith? Confirmation bias alert however.
He says
I am also willing to believe that the entire second half of the Vedith wagon is town
in . Well thanks for including me in your townreads, but you didn't explain why is this.
He votes Mirhawk in .
He talks down importance of Nosferatu associations in . He doesn't think analyzing Lapsa's kill is going to be fruitful for town.

This is only an ISO as going through the whole game would be too much of a chore, so a lot of stuff here is taken out of context.
My conclusion after doing this is that there should be one scum in implosion/Mirhawk. Also, if he flips scum Sickofit/beeboy is probably town and he was grouping Sickofit/beeboy and Nosferatu together in his townreads in .
He has a thing for Mirhawk, he's frequently voting/unvoting him. I wouldn't rule out possibility of w/w here, but I'd say this is v/w interaction.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:27 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
I see where suspicion about implosion is coming from.
I wouldn't rule out implosion/Vedith/Titus team. But that's a bit premature.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:44 pm
by Transcend
implosion started out this game super strong.

and he was an initial tr of mine, due to him having reads that were ~very~ similar to mine.

he was adding lots of good content, and i liked the foses he came up with.

~THEN~

he comes back after being MIA for all the "mason" drama. doesn't give much input on the active slots. only condones lynches for those that are inactive.

like i asked him to name his best foses. his reads were nothing similar to what he gave before and his best scumreads were all the inactives and didn't delve into the actives at all.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:45 pm
by Transcend
I don't see Titus!Scum at the moment if it's not multiball.

I'm glad we're finding common ground on implosion here.

He was way too neutral at EoD when he was super active at BoD.

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:46 pm
by Transcend
VOTE: implosion

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:49 pm
by Dunnstral
I agree, implosion has been pretty suspicious huh

VOTE: Mirhawk

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:01 pm
by Boem_u_dusi
After skimming Mirhawk ISO, I think implosion is more suspicious here. I will listen to both sides.

VOTE: implosion

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:29 am
by Mirhawk
So Ièm back I guess. I'm more skimming then anything else at the moment so I'll just list me general thoughts here as I read.

Titus seems shittier then yesterday. Some of the logical leaps near the beginning of the day rub me the wrong way. I was townreading her previously, but maybe less strongly now. I can't say as I find the case on her that wake was pushing about having bad interactions is particularly appealing though.

Dunn keeps saying that there was no scum kill because he got doc'd. The whole premise is bullshit and I expect that he knows there's no way to prove it so why does he keep saying it. Since there's no way he could know this I'm not really liking the implications of this as the only benefit from saying that is to imply that you're town by means of making it look like scum tried to kill you.

I kinda agree with the sentiment that there was likely no scum in most of the latter people on Ved's wagon. But I probably wouldn't apply that to Dunn and Shannon as the writing was on the wall by that point so I could see bussing happening there.

Dunns is right on the money.

I'm a hot topic, I should probably be around more.

I seem to have scads of townreads but almost no scumreads in comparison. I would vote Shannon or Dunn though.

I'm more or less caught up now, I appear to ow boem some question replies (technical term) but I'm tired and those look like extensive answers so you're going to have to wait till I have time.

Also, I'm going to
Vote: Dunn
because why the hell not.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:54 am
by Transcend
mirhawk is probably VI after careful thinking

and probably gonna get ml'd