In post 3223, Luca Blight wrote:On that basis Billy wouldn't have replaced out if he were scum, or are you ignoring that one?
Uzi has contributed more than Gobble since his replace in.
In post 3221, Tchill13 wrote:I wonder if I've ever fake claimed a PR as scum? I don't think I have.
That explains how unconvincing it was, then. At least it's good practice for future scum games.
More times than not you see newbies replace out of scum because they're uncomfortable with it. Of course you're gonna disagree.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:29 pm
by Tchill13
In post 3222, Tchill13 wrote:I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.
Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm
I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.
So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:35 pm
by Luca Blight
I was literally responding to your reply. I'm happy to keep quiet if you do, like I said.
And I agree that a Newbie might be inclined to replace out as scum
IF
he were feeling pressured, which Billy wasn't.
Also Billy wouldn't have bussed me D1 given he is a newbie, as you quite rightly pointed out, and given there is no daychat.
As for Gobble, he's barely done anything since his opening gambit and subsequent 'theory of activity' post. At least Uzi's been consistent with his activity, unlike Gobble.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:37 pm
by Tchill13
You just have to have the last word lol. You're a piece of work. Might black list you even though you are scum.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:38 pm
by Tchill13
In post 3222, Tchill13 wrote:I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.
Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm
I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.
So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:51 pm
by Tchill13
You ppl are saying I FAKE a guilty on luv then APPEAL TO LUCA. that doesn't make sense as scum even for wifom purposes.
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:05 pm
by Luca Blight
You thought I’d compromise on a Klick Lynch:
In post 2690, Tchill13 wrote:i'll agree to a klick lynch. dude is so scum. i just have to properly quote what im seeing. give me a bit.
And if you push Klick/Uzi then you’re basically baiting Klick to vote Uzi to prove he isn’t partnered with him.
If you came out pushing Luca/Uzi it would have been even more transparent.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:36 am
by gobbledygook
I am a terrible person, but I had too much fermented grape juice last night to focus on this. I will be here tonight after work so around like 7pm est (my time). I think first and foremost I need to look at wagon analysis now that I have Klick town and also 50/50 between Tchill and Luca. I will post my results once I'm done with that. Does anyone have any pressing questions for me or any interactions they want me to focus on specifically?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:27 am
by Tchill13
In post 3222, Tchill13 wrote:I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.
Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm
I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.
So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.
@klick
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:35 am
by Luca Blight
V/LA until Monday
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:39 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 3067, Tchill13 wrote:You claim I should have reason to push you other than "inactive"
By all means please tell me what you've produced that will help town win this game.
Tell me what distinctions you've come across before others had. What events you controlled or decided.
In post 3068, Tchill13 wrote:I have failed to see the game from your perspective.
Luca has failed to see the game from my perspective.
I'm calling for you to vote me in your next post also.
Seeing how ik gobble/klick are town.
If you don't vote me in your next post I'd like a reason. Then I'd like an explanation of said reason.
What do you make of Luca voting gobble instead of me in lylo? Luca has sr'd me longer than gobble.
What do you think about Luca eating till klick claimed the letter b4 putting his vote on gobble. Definitely a safer play if luca is scum than to come out and vote gobble immediately right?
Nobody answer anything I've sent towards luv. If he wants to provide content then I've given him the opportunity.
VOTE: Tchill13
I think I’m fine with leaving the game in Klick’s hands. I also found the mailed message generic and prior to this game, my experience with Icon was completely different. I’ve been used to him having sort of a no nonsense kind of attitude and not the playful or jovial tone he’s exhibited early on and in that message Klick claimed to receive.
Honestly a part of me wanted the satisfaction of being the one to hammer you. You’re usually fun to play with but here you have been just increasingly getting more and more toxic since I subbed in and I think I’ve reached my breaking point.
In general, I think a lot of people like yourself mistake “being scummy for "being likely to actually flip scum".
Think about all the things you've seen town do, that you've done as town. Town can absolutely be hypocritical. Town can absolutely be wishy-washy. Town can absolutely forget things about the game, not pay attention, lurk, misread people, and just generally play bad, sometimes all at the same time.
And I get it, sometimes, if a player is too many of those things, you just have to bite the bullet and lynch them, because if a player is under a certain threshold of effort or transparency it becomes really, really, really hard to tell their alignment, and losing to shit scum play feels terrible, so you kinda have to just close your eyes and shrug sometimes. It's not great, but it's good for game health overall. Or at least that's what we keep telling ourselves.
I’m aware that I’m great at staying under the radar or being widely town read as scum. However that isn’t the case here. I don’t think I’ve displayed many of the qualities I just listed. I was very clear on why I scum read each and every claim, why I believe Alisae was the night kill, why I scum read Datisi, and why I started to scum read you during the middle Day 2.
This isn’t a dick measuring contest though. This is mafia. Which means it's really a matter of imagination. You put yourself in their shoes, with the reads they've been representing, the information they purport to have, and then you think, "if I were town, would I post that?"
I can’t see myself as town purposefully withholding that I’m tracker during a mass claim after berating someone for how they lied about how they handled claiming their role in Icon. I can absolutely see myself as scum finding a way to sell that to town like you’ve tried to do here however.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:39 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 3199, Klick wrote:LUV, what is your theory on why Tchill/A50 decide to kill Alisae N1 over Claimed-Cop-Icon? Talk me through it - you know that's the scumteam, but I don't, so I need something that makes sense.
Gobble, do you still have the activity stats you made earlier in the game? Could you post them for Luca, A50 and Tchill?
I think it’s a combination of the respect and admiration for Alisae play along with the potential to frame people.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:52 am
by Klick
Hmm. You get reads pretty similarly to me, LUV. Luca and Tchill seem to be taking potshots at each other from my perspective without much in the way of actual persuasive points, but you've successfully pinpointed the biggest thing that has me struggling to see Tchill as town.
The problem is that while I don't think most people would take the line of play Tchill has as town here, I regretfully think it's within his own town-range based on going through quite a few of his past games. And that's the struggle I'm having.
In post 3222, Tchill13 wrote:I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.
Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm
I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.
So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.
@klick
At the end of D2, I showed a fair amount of aggression towards you. I threw out Luca/LUV earlier, but my last post in D2 suggested I was leaning towards you being scum instead.
By the start of D3, you'd already gotten a read on me as someone who struggles with scumreading behavior that doesn't immediately make sense for scum to do. I spent all of D2 townreading people for that specific kind of behavior. It's not really a leap to try and create that sort of situation.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:42 am
by gobbledygook
I believe Tchill is L-1, not hammering to show me town.
Klick you’re probably right it has a negative trendline. I think I’m normally at a slightly negative trendline just naturally
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:45 am
by Chemist1422
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:49 am
by gobbledygook
VOTE: Tchill
Hammering now because I really just do not believe the claim. I’m sorry if this means we lose town. But I think Luv is trying for some last minute credit.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:58 am
by Chemist1422
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:03 am
by Chemist1422
Tchill13 was lynched! He was a
vanilla townie!
Luca Blight was endgamed! He was a
vanilla townie!
Klick was endgamed! He was a
vanilla townie!
Lil Uzi Vert survives and wins! He was a
mafia goon!
gobbledygook survives and wins! He was a
mafia goon!
Congrats to the mafia, and good game to the town!
Mod and dead PTs will be released shortly. Mafia will have 24 hours to request any redactions before that PR will be released as well.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:33 am
by gobbledygook
Good game everyone! Town kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time!
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:12 am
by Klick
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:20 am
by callforjudgement
I was scumreading Tchill pretty much all game (then became certain when he claimed a role that I knew, as the setup designer, wasn't there). So the flips were quite a surprise.
N3 bodyguard would have been balanced in this setup, but in practice I'm unlikely to have actually thought of it (note to self: mix up my designmeta a bit more).
Even-night tracker would have been townsided (I was worried that the setup was townsided as it is).
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:34 am
by Klick
I was imagining something like a Mafia Mailman/Rolestopper that might balance around the double-investigative.
The problem was that Tchill's play was obviously town in a lot of ways, but his claim was BS. :/
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:35 am
by gobbledygook
I was pleasantly surprised when he stuck with that claim today. I figured he was trying to draw the nightkill over Icon.
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:38 am
by Klick
Anyway, sorry everyone, I played awfully. I shouldn't have put so much weight in Billy's slip, and I shouldn't have stopped momentum on A50.
Gobble/LUV, well played, you both played fairly well as a team - I didn't see a ton of synergy there. I wish you'd been more active though LUV A50's replace-out makes decent sense now I guess? He probably thought you guys were screwed.
Gobble, was I right that you basically had a claim like this ready for one of your first scum games?
A50's replace-out makes decent sense now I guess? He probably thought you guys were screwed.