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In post 3218, Menalque wrote:Right but— why do I kill her right after spending 3 days pocketing her? And when she’s primed and ready to go on mission “kill lilith” that I can let her lead and then kill her tomorrow night instead?

I'd think you would attempt to pocket her as scum regardless of if/when you intended to kill her.

As for lilith if you are scum and lilith is town I would expect that it's only a matter of time before skitter figures that out.

In other words NKA is hard and unreliable.

In post 3223, Infinity 324 wrote:Who has played with you before that would likely be scared enough to kill you n1?

If it really was a no kill gambit after all I'll be upset.

Skitter, S_S, lilith, Best Bird are all people who I think know me and respect me enough to maybe want me dead N1

Skitter is dead and town

She said S_S was town

Both/either of the remaining 2 could be scum

Oh, TGP would maybe N1 me too, possibly uncrowned would, but obviously I excluded them for obvious reasons

In post 3222, Menalque wrote:Why not?

Lilith can't be the redirector because Dunn confirmed she got the JK slot
Dave can't be the redirector because peta confirmed he got the watcher slot
BB can't be the redirector because he's below TGP who failed to get it

In post 3225, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 3218, Menalque wrote:Right but— why do I kill her right after spending 3 days pocketing her? And when she’s primed and ready to go on mission “kill lilith” that I can let her lead and then kill her tomorrow night instead?

I'd think you would attempt to pocket her as scum regardless of if/when you intended to kill her.

As for lilith if you are scum and lilith is town I would expect that it's only a matter of time before skitter figures that out.

In other words NKA is hard and unreliable.

No, i absolutely would, you’re right — the point is that after the pocket was SUCCESSFUL is a weird time to do it unless you think I’d be terribly afraid of her changing her mind the next day

And like, maybe? But I think given the extent of the tunnel and with some gentle prodding I think she’d flip lilith today for me

In post 3228, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 3222, Menalque wrote:Why not?

Lilith can't be the redirector because Dunn confirmed she got the JK slot
Dave can't be the redirector because peta confirmed he got the watcher slot
BB can't be the redirector because he's below TGP who failed to get it

Oh so I think it must be dave and peta then

Because yeah, if lilith and BB /can’t/ be it, then it has to be that pets id faking the clear on dave

Okay, so if we do flip me today, remember that you have literally got 2 confscum from it tomorrow

I want to assume lilith is town for now. If mena is town:

bird-dave-peta

bird-s_s-peta (/n_m/hoopla)

are the teams I guess. First seems a lot more likely.

And lowkey I think this push is indicative for lilith as the partner

Mena, s_s could be the redirector too.

Lilith is the only explanation for the no-kill, and scum-you would know that that's possibly the case coming into today. That would make her harder if not impossible to eliminate and might cause skitter to flip on you if she realizes that lilith is town.

I'm not saying this is definitely what happened, it's just a possibility. This kind of thing is why reliable NKA is so tricky.

I think a push on me from the scumteam with a gambit that outs 2 of them (I’m thinking they just... didn’t think enough about what happens if I’m the one who dies today? Or if this is successful?) is more likely from a team with lilith on it bc I think that’s where we were defaulting to, and getting lilith first would conf!town me going on, and then the PoE was losing for them anyway?

Idk gamestate feels suuuuuuuuper fucked up

In post 3236, Something_Smart wrote:Lilith is the only explanation for the no-kill, and scum-you would know that that's possibly the case coming into today. That would make her harder if not impossible to eliminate and might cause skitter to flip on you if she realizes that lilith is town.

I'm not saying this is definitely what happened, it's just a possibility. This kind of thing is why reliable NKA is so tricky.

Eh, like maybe? And I’m not saying it’s perfect but I think on balance of probabilities it makes me more town, I’m not saying it’s absolutely clearing

Idk, if skitt is alive do we massclaim?

In post 3238, Menalque wrote:Idk gamestate feels suuuuuuuuper fucked up

Yeah that one I can agree with.

Why are you so confident on Infinity town, again?

His play around my cop fakeclaim read as really sincere to me and also I’m trusting skitter when said “^i think this is town” under one of his posts

Like ultimately it’s only a game and if I’m wrong I at least get the consolation that I was right for a while in the beginning and let myself get talked out of it by people who are better than me *shrug*

But at this point it’s not really worth agonisingly paranoiaing over it

If mena is scum, this is the most wrong I've ever been on a townread. My heart isn't in a mena elim. I'm willing to lose to scum!mena.

Good :3

In post 3243, Infinity 324 wrote:If mena is scum, this is the most wrong I've ever been on a townread. My heart isn't in a mena elim. I'm willing to lose to scum!mena.

What flipped it that quickly?

Idk, this whole game has been a conflict of whether to trust my reads or mechanics. And normally, I think people trust their reads too much and let strong scum players get away with mechanically questionable claims. But I'm really not feeling mena!scum. I've learned over the course of playing mafia that a lot of my reads are wrong, but not my strong TRs. My strong TRs are very rarely wrong, especially ones based on gut. And when mena starting posting the "I'm gonna die but I'm gonna put all my energy into solving so y'all can figure it out when I'm dead" posts, I remembered why I have such a strong TR on him. If he's scum, I'll feel lucky to have witnessed this. I'm not limming mena.

In post 3246, Infinity 324 wrote:And when mena starting posting the "I'm gonna die but I'm gonna put all my energy into solving so y'all can figure it out when I'm dead" posts, I remembered why I have such a strong TR on him.

...and why is that, exactly?

I've never seen scum-Menalque get close to an execution. But I don't really think he would respond any other way besides this. Was there a particular post that you thought was genuine?

I'm also fairly certain scum!mena would be pushing me here. If he's able to convince you/hoopla he's town, y'all will think I'm likely scum for mechanics reasons. Peta has also expressed suspicion of me today. It would be very easy from mena's spot to justify a push on me from this position.

In post 3248, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm also fairly certain scum!mena would be pushing me here.

I mean, if Menalque is redirector, then he has to push on one of {me, you, peta}. Given how close he was with skitter and how much he respects her opinion, it makes sense for peta to be the one he'd go after there, and he'd try to pocket me and you.