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Post Post #3225 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:35 am

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In post 3224, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3191, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think it makes sense for the game state to be four people voting for Town!SS and the scum just chilling sucking their thumbs and waiting to get jumped,
I agree with this point. Unless the scum was already on the wagon.

But now with the top wagons being DGB vs. S_S, we've got a couple of players suddenly very antsy to yeet me over S_S even after claiming a protective.

Players of Gamma's caliber, if they don't believe my claim, would know to pretend to believe it and wait for the NKs to settle the issue.
I already think the NK would've settled it if you were town
That's not a townie post.
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Post Post #3226 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:35 am

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In post 3209, DrippingGoofball wrote:Ydrasse
Galron
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I crossed out the players I would never vote for, and put in red the players I would prefer.
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Post Post #3227 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:36 am

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In post 3223, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3221, DrippingGoofball wrote:Who is scummier between Gamma and Infinity?
Infinity, I guess, since Gamma had that string of posts that sounded help-y.
I don't get why Gamma would scumread me for scrambling at the last minute to f
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Post Post #3228 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:39 am

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In post 3226, Gamma Emerald wrote:yeah I don't buy that you protected someone currently not in your most trusted tier
Ydrasse was among my strongest townreads, what are you on about?
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Post Post #3229 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:39 am

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In post 3223, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3221, DrippingGoofball wrote:Who is scummier between Gamma and Infinity?
Infinity, I guess, since Gamma had that string of posts that sounded help-y.
VOTE: Infinity234
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Post Post #3230 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:40 am

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In post 3184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:alright actual effort time.

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this is going to be the start point for my re-read.

We have a wagon on SS and no votes on Enchant.

We have our heroine Rosseau rallying the troops:

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and then we have this sequence of votes:

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Summary of Actions:
Gamma moves his vote from SS to Enchant in 1575 - never moves his vote again. [Probly Town]
Infy votes for Enchant in 1576 - never moves her vote again. [Probly Town]
Galron votes for Enchant in 1584 - unvotes in 1827 - claims SS is the better wagon for ?? reasons, intents on SS but doesn't vote for SS (intent is invalid because SS only at 5 votes) [Maybe suspicious if SS is town?]
Skitter votes for SS in 1647 putting SS ahead 4-3, unvotes in 1675 after SS gets put at E-1, revotes SS at 1773 after Enchant gets intented by Rosseau. [Feels pretty townie]
DGB votes for SS in 1671 - putting it at 5-5 "Let's make this an exciting race!!!!" does not vote again. [Probably just town cuz it obviously doesn't care]
Tetrina started out voting for SS, moved her vote to Enchant at 1683 putting Enchant ahead 6-4, moves her vote from Enchant to SS in 1792, putting SS ahead 5-4, says they're both scum, doesn't vote again. [Kinda think her lack of caring implies town here]
Ydra votes SS in 1799 [E-1], votes Enchant in 1805 [E-1], unvotes to put them at 5-5 [1808], Votes Enchant in 2079 [E-1], I'm so confused by what Ydra is doing here lol. [Suspicious if SS flips scum]
Cephrir starts out voting for SS, he switches to voting for Enchant in 1840. Kinda suspicious of how long he's parked on SS and really only hops over at the last hour, looks better if this is an S/S wagon. [Suspicious if SS flips town?]
SS votes Enchant in 1819. I don't think he's very enthuiastic about pushing Enchant out, however it could just be a personality/RL thing.
Kyouko started out voting for SS, moved her vote to Enchant at 1731[E-1 Vote] - asked for hammer later in the game. [Probly just town]




Honestly I was kinda hoping to do this after SS flipped and I knew his alignment cuz it would be like half the work but I'm kinda doubting I get the SS flip now so I'll just have to do this without his role information.


If SS is town:



I don't think it makes sense for the game state to be four people voting for Town!SS and the scum just chilling sucking their thumbs and waiting to get jumped, I think at least one of the SS voters initially is scum - of the four voters I'd think Cephrir is the scummiest of the lot. I didn't like the Galron unvote either at 1827 but I can sort of understand it maybe? Galron and Ceph are probably not partnered. I guess I don't really like this scenario because I have trouble coming up with a team of 2 that really fits this game state? Like SS comes so close to dying so many times that I can't help but imagine he would just die if he was town here?


If SS is scum:


My dream scenario, I think it's more likely than SS!town because I don't think Enchant is a very passive scum player - if enchant sees an opportunity, he will just kind of push for it and make up some bullshit excuse. I don't really see him looking at a juicy SS wagon and like hold his vote back - he only votes for SS at 1672 after I called SS/Enchant out for being S/S cuz they weren't voting for each other. There's a blunt recklessness in Enchant's scum play where he just kind of goes for it when the opportunity presents itself and I'd think he'd be
more
invested in pushing SS to death if SS was a townplayer - his lack of enthusiasm feels like to me that he's not really interested because he doesn't have any good options.

I think out of all voters, Ydra feels like she could be a partner since she flips her vote back and forth in a way that makes me feel somewhat dizzy. it's like she doesn't want to miss the train that is leaving the station and she doesn't care much which train she catches since they're all going to Paris anyway.
Wow UNVOTE: pooky
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Post Post #3231 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:42 am

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In post 3226, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3209, DrippingGoofball wrote:Ydrasse
Galron
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Tetrina
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Cephrir

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I crossed out the players I would never vote for, and put in red the players I would prefer.
yeah I don't buy that you protected someone currently not in your most trusted tier
Oh I see why you pointed out this list.

My townread on Ydrasse was slightly lessened because she went after me hard in her day opening posts. Having said that her concerns were justified so she's still a townread but with an asterisk.
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Post Post #3232 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:42 am

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Oh great Tetrina pls help
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Post Post #3233 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:45 am

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Who am I helping with? VOTE: Cephrir ??
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Post Post #3234 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:49 am

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VOTE: Cephrir
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Post Post #3235 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:50 am

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In post 3233, Tetrina wrote:Who am I helping with? VOTE: Cephrir ??
Trying to get an actual red flip.
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Post Post #3236 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:51 am

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VOTE: Cephrir
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Post Post #3237 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:12 am

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VOTE: ceph
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Post Post #3238 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:25 am

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In post 3224, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3191, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think it makes sense for the game state to be four people voting for Town!SS and the scum just chilling sucking their thumbs and waiting to get jumped,
I agree with this point. Unless the scum was already on the wagon.

But now with the top wagons being DGB vs. S_S, we've got a couple of players suddenly very antsy to yeet me over S_S even after claiming a protective.

Players of Gamma's caliber, if they don't believe my claim, would know to pretend to believe it and wait for the NKs to settle the issue.
I already think the NK would've settled it if you were town
So you think scum specifically didnt shoot ydra so that scum!dgb could claim to have guarded her? Or you think town!DGB would have been shot directly over Rousseau last night? I dont follow.

VOTE: Galron

My "not voting" pile is Gamma, Cephrir, Tetrina, DGB
Then there's "everyone except these 2"
Then it's "preferred" Galron and Ydrasse

Thoughts on xlo are that I dont want skitter and infinity there together, and I dont want S_S there. I also dont think I want Pooky and Ydra there together if there are still 2 scum left in final 7 - gotta kill one before ELO

FWIW I think bodyguard makes sense in this setup. The mod implemented plurality for a reason. Probably there will be some.kind of "event" that happens at a predetermined time and there is no way to deviate from 1 elimination per day and 1 elimination per night. As in this game will follow a fixed timeline, there is no way to prevent a kill outright, and no additional kill power. A bodyguard makes sense to me.
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Post Post #3239 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:26 am

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Scum kill may even be compulsive tbh
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Post Post #3240 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:33 am

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Why Galron over Ceph?
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Post Post #3241 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:48 am

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I did some D1 VCA a couple of days into this day phase and determined those 3 voted as a unit around the S_S/Enchant wagons in a way that makes me feel like they're all town regardless of S_S alignment. I dont remember specifics of the reasoning but I believe it would have come from me reading their combined iso from post 975 onward until end of day. I also TRed each of them individually before that

I was checking my notes and it says Roden may have Doc power?

So I'm quite curious about that now
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Post Post #3242 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:48 am

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Ah 806 is nothing - if S_S had a cc to DGB he would have said something I think
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Post Post #3243 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:56 am

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Not sure if it's nothing, but my role is not a CC to DGB.
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Post Post #3244 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:17 am

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In post 3228, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3226, Gamma Emerald wrote:yeah I don't buy that you protected someone currently not in your most trusted tier
Ydrasse was among my strongest townreads, what are you on about?
then why is she not crossed out?
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Post Post #3245 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:18 am

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VOTE: skitter
apparently S_S is also a PR so I'm going back to this
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Post Post #3246 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:20 am

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FYI I expect DGB to protect S_S
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Post Post #3247 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:21 am

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In post 3244, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3228, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3226, Gamma Emerald wrote:yeah I don't buy that you protected someone currently not in your most trusted tier
Ydrasse was among my strongest townreads, what are you on about?
then why is she not crossed out?
The ones crossed out have dropped rock solid town tells.
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Post Post #3248 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:22 am

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In post 3245, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: skitter
apparently S_S is also a PR so I'm going back to this
I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want to sheep that.
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