Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Fun and Games]

i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter

Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

What context did I remove to paint VP Scum?

[Dwlee99]

Just vote me or enchant. This is ridiculous to have another draw out 10 pages of FG & dwlee saying the same things they already said.

does anyone in this game know why Dwlee scumreads FG?

Just gonna go ahead and post this so we can skip 10 more pages of you two saying it back and forth.

Basically: Pooky is scum for their push on Baltar, but it could be a bus, so i think it's Pooky/Baltar or Pooky/enchant here

i said you're scum cuz you voted for enchant while saying you thought fg was bussing vp and that makes no sense lol

Wow some people read

[Andante]

Just vote me or enchant. This is ridiculous to have another draw out 10 pages of FG & dwlee saying the same things they already said.

lmaoooo I just pulled this game back up, and was like "around and around they go again"

[Andante]

Wow some people read

I dont

[Bingle]

I see this word so many times, yall kept using it, wtf is chainsaw?

First of all, chainsaw defense isn't actually being used completely correctly in this game as a term.

It is specifically when one scum attacks another player for pushing their buddy while specifically avoiding calling the player being pushed town.

It's old. Like Tarhalindur tells old, and I don't think I've ever seen it used to catch an experienced scum player. It's the kind of thing you see rarely in a newbie.

Pooky here was using it as a more generalized "Scum is pushing someone for pushing someone else" which is very much a boring argument and not truly what the chainsaw defense is.

[Dwlee99]

i thought the bussing bit was abt us bussing darby/ico?

~ skitter

It was that I felt your push on VP felt like a scum push but it wasn't clearing for VP

ok if that's been your main reason that's not been obvious to me at all, and why does it feel like a scum push
we didn't push you until well after that so our read on you is irrelevant to this

~ skitter

Main reason has been Pooky jumping on me for voting enchant

The push reasoning was when I was just getting the vibe from the push and I think pooky removed/ignored context to paint VP scum with associatives

What context did I remove to paint VP Scum?

Pooky do you have amnesia

[Dwlee99]

Maybe that was too far, sorry

[Fun and Games]

I made a case for why I thought VPB was scum.

You asked me "hey are you trying to bus VPB?"

I ignored your question because I think it's stupid.

VPB then votes for Enchant with the reason "I trust Toogeloo" - which I don't really think is a very good reason. I don't even know what Tooge's case for Enchant!scum is so I don't see how VPB!town looks at Tooge's case and decides hey I want to sheep this.

You then voted for Enchant.

I then jumped on you for voting for Enchant because I don't see how you get from FG is bussing VPB to Let's kill Enchant.

You claimed that you did it because Enchant made some hideously bad posts.

You then start yelling at me for "pissing you off" or whatever.

If you actually want an enchant elim maybe you should actually write out why Enchant's posts are bad rather than flaming me for "pissing you off" or w/e you're accusing me of.

Also there's literally no incentive for scum!me to piss off town!you if I'm trying to eliminate town!VPB

[Fun and Games]

Mb you should stop acting like I'm a moron and just write what the fuck is on your mind

[Fun and Games]

I see this word so many times, yall kept using it, wtf is chainsaw?

First of all, chainsaw defense isn't actually being used completely correctly in this game as a term.

It is specifically when one scum attacks another player for pushing their buddy while specifically avoiding calling the player being pushed town.

It's old. Like Tarhalindur tells old, and I don't think I've ever seen it used to catch an experienced scum player. It's the kind of thing you see rarely in a newbie.

Pooky here was using it as a more generalized "Scum is pushing someone for pushing someone else" which is very much a boring argument and not truly what the chainsaw defense is.

VPB literally didn't call Ico town when he was chainsawing SA

He in fact accused SA of "bussing" Ico!

[Andante]

I see this word so many times, yall kept using it, wtf is chainsaw?

First of all, chainsaw defense isn't actually being used completely correctly in this game as a term.

It is specifically when one scum attacks another player for pushing their buddy while specifically avoiding calling the player being pushed town.

It's old. Like Tarhalindur tells old, and I don't think I've ever seen it used to catch an experienced scum player. It's the kind of thing you see rarely in a newbie.

Pooky here was using it as a more generalized "Scum is pushing someone for pushing someone else" which is very much a boring argument and not truly what the chainsaw defense is.

ahhh ok thank you!! I'm like, I've played maf a lot, but have literally never seen that term, yet it's all people can talk about, but I can see why it's being thrown around so much right now

[Bingle]

I was more talking about the Dwlee bit where you said Dwlee was chainsawing for VP regardless of whether VP was scum, but again I don't have a lot of faith in Chainsaw Defense as a tell.

I think skitter's reasoning is a much stronger case and relying on the chainsaw defense argument has allowed that argument to fall into the backseat.

Kinda like what A50/I thought Gamma was doing to VP on D1, where he was focusing on a minor detail to ignore the bigger point. (Which, admittedly, was wrong in that case, but that doesn't mean that it's not a scumtell.)

[Andante]

F&G is the only one I've seen give actual reasoning, everyone else is like "F&G IS BUSSING!!!" like, idk, this is starting to feel very hostile, and I don't like angry play :/

[Sleepless Assassin]

Vote Enchant

As fast as this is moving I'm never gonna catch up anyway.

[Andante]

why Enchant?

[Sleepless Assassin]

He claimed scum

[Andante]

Good reason. I like that

[Sleepless Assassin]

Thanks I thought so too

[Something_Smart]

VC 3.3

Enchant (3)- Toogeloo, VP Baltar, Sleepless Assassin
VP Baltar (2)- Fun and Games, Bingle
Dwlee99 (1)- Enchant
Fun and Games (1)- Dwlee99

Not voting (1)- Andante

With 8 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-14 17:00:00)

Mod notes: if anyone knows any good piano Christmas albums please hit me up. I'm a huge fan of George Winston and Scott D. Davis but looking to branch out a bit

[Toogeloo]

I mean, it's a game throw regardless. Not really a fan of players who claim scum or vote themselves to hasten their wagons. It's too much wifom to sort through frustration or daring their elim strategy. ​


Friendly reminder that No Elim should be done at MeLo if we are even numbers. I say this in the event I'm night killed, and not based on any flip information. I think I am a reasonable night kill choice considering the players left all find each other equally suspicious, but I've read that apparently I should be more likely town due to the disassociatives of my predecessor and flipped scum. I'm also not reading a shit ton, and on coast mode since I'm playing a ton of the new FFXIV expansion, so I doubt scum actually fear me.

[Toogeloo]

(However) I'm also not reading a shit ton, and on coast mode since I'm playing a ton of the new FFXIV expansion, so I doubt scum actually fear me.

EBWOP

[Andante]

Toog, you never answered why you're confirmed town

[Dwlee99]

Pooky, multiple times throughout your fight with VP he pointed out ways he thought you ignored context in much of your case

Do you have any thoughts on that

Is it unreasonable for me to think VP is right

[Andante]

I tr too many people

[VP Baltar]

@enchant - I was thinking this morning about your hammer on Gamma and how you said you felt bad about that but were so sure because he self voted. Can I ask why you claimed mafia? Isn't that kind of the same thing as self voting?