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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:32 am
by Umlaut
I do like bonus points but I like winning more. I need to think about this. Andante is the obvious choice mechanically and by play but I don't understand how she benefits from allowing this endgame.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:33 am
by Umlaut
I mean it could be as simple as "Dwlee thinks I'm scum so I'll shoot him" but I don't think Andante is that simpleminded

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:35 am
by Umlaut
In post 3226, Umlaut wrote:I mean it could be as simple as "Dwlee thinks I'm scum so I'll shoot
them
" but I don't think Andante is that simpleminded
dammit

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:51 am
by Stephen A Smith
do you think im mafia doctor?

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:59 am
by Umlaut
In post 1975, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.


yeet
Greeting
[7]:
fireisredsir
,
Nero Cain
,
Eyes without a face
, Stephen A Smith,
Scorpious
,
HockeyFan
,
Dwlee99
[HAMMER]

Nero Cain
[2]:
Frozen Angel
,
Greeting

Scorpious
[2]:
wavemode
,
the worst

Andante [1]:
Umlaut

not voting [1]:
Andante
In post 2593, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.final

with 11 votes in play, it took 6 to make a decision. day 2 ended.


yeet
Nero Cain
[6]:
the worst
, Umlaut,
Scorpious
, Stephen A Smith,
Dwlee99
, Andante
[HAMMER]

Scorpious
[1]:
HockeyFan

Andante [1]:
Nero Cain

the worst
[1]:
Eyes without a face

Eyes without a face
[1]:
wavemode


not voting [1]:
fireisredsir
In post 2717, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.


yeet
Scorpious
[5]:
wavemode
, Andante,
HockeyFan
,
Dwlee99
, Stephen A Smith
[HAMMER]

Dwlee99
[1]:
the worst

wavemode
[1]:
Scorpious


not voting [2]:
Eyes without a face
, Umlaut
In post 2955, Datisi wrote:
vote count 4.final

with 7 votes in play, it took 4 to make a decision. day 4 ended.


yeet
Eyes without a face
[4]:
Dwlee99
,
the worst
, Andante,
Eyes without a face
[HAMMER]

HockeyFan
[1]:
Umlaut
Umlaut [1]:
HockeyFan

Dwlee99
[1]:
Stephen A Smith

not voting [0]:
In post 3215, Datisi wrote:
vote count 5.final

with 5 votes in play, it took 3 to make a decision. day 5 ended.


yeet
HockeyFan
[3]:
Andante, Umlaut, Stephen A Smith
[HAMMER]

Andante [1]:
HockeyFan


not voting [1]:
Dwlee99
Don't mind me, just putting these here for my own reference and seeing if I can get something out of them. Note Stephen is the only unsorted person on the Greeting wagon, but that wagon already has two scum on it so nothing really needs explaining there. Also note if Andante is town then the Eyes yeet was all-town

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:01 am
by Umlaut
In post 3228, Stephen A Smith wrote:do you think im mafia doctor?
I mean,
probably
not, this setup is really damn weird if you are.

I've lost track of whether your being mafia doctor is consistent with all the confirmed information we have, tbh. What were your Alien/Voyeur results again?

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:03 am
by Umlaut
In post 2798, Stephen A Smith wrote:n1 i targeted fireisredsir - that's why he was blocked
n2 i targeted fireisredsir - a killing action was performed on him (very useful i know lol)
n3 i targeted duckie - duckie is very unpopular and no1 else did anything to duckie
Found 'em

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:07 am
by Stephen A Smith
uh if i'm not alien but actually mafia doctor that would mean town not only doesn't have a protective/blocker tpr but also that the gunsmith can get false innos lol

this setup literally never passes review if i'm informed mafia doctor instead of alien voyeur.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:30 am
by Umlaut
That's why probably not (also I don't see why you would claim Voyeur at all if you were just making things up)

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:32 am
by Umlaut
I concede it doesn't make much sense for you to be scum but let me have my paranoid moment please

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:44 am
by Umlaut
Just noticed Andante has V/LA status set which is... unfortunate timing

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:34 am
by Stephen A Smith
are you saying she couldn't have made the nightkill because she was on vacation all night? ;)

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:53 am
by Umlaut
Was she on vacation all night? I only just noticed it now.

But no, I believe she could pop in long enough to submit a kill even if she was. I just meant it's annoying that I'm waiting for her to say something and it might take days for that to happen.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:12 pm
by Andante
V/LA doesn't mean I can't be here at all,
if I had to vote right now I'd probably vote Umlaut, but I was having a good solve with duckie right before they died, so like, I'm not dealing with this till like wednesday night or thursday. Like, sure I could just vote Umlaut and call it a day, but I owe it to all the dead townies to at least give it an effort, and feel confident about my decision, so before I vote Umlaut I want to be absolutely certain, but reading D6 here, feels like Umlaut is weighing options too much, and trying to just sit on the fence, see which way we're leaning, then go from there.. I mean, Umlaut killing Dwlee is easy, Umlaut feels more confident in being able to convince you I'm scum than convincing you of dwlee scum.

so like tldr: I'm like 95% sold on Umlaut maf, but I'm currently busy, and will deal with this later

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:06 pm
by Stephen A Smith
i'm like obviously town there's like nothing for either of you to think about

just cross vote and i'll like reread or flip a coin

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:24 pm
by Umlaut
In post 3238, Andante wrote:V/LA doesn't mean I can't be here at all,
if I had to vote right now I'd probably vote Umlaut, but I was having a good solve with duckie right before they died, so like, I'm not dealing with this till like wednesday night or thursday. Like, sure I could just vote Umlaut and call it a day, but I owe it to all the dead townies to at least give it an effort, and feel confident about my decision, so before I vote Umlaut I want to be absolutely certain, but reading D6 here, feels like Umlaut is weighing options too much, and trying to just sit on the fence, see which way we're leaning, then go from there.. I mean, Umlaut killing Dwlee is easy, Umlaut feels more confident in being able to convince you I'm scum than convincing you of dwlee scum.

so like tldr: I'm like 95% sold on Umlaut maf, but I'm currently busy, and will deal with this later
This is nonsense, Stephen was literally already convinced of Dwlee scum, it makes no sense for me to kill Dwlee over you. The fact you don't seem to have already realized that could be a reason
you
would kill Dwlee though. (Well more likely the reason is just that they thought you were scum and not realizing that is why you didn't have second thoughts about killing them)

I'm not going to sit around waiting until Wednesday to sort this out

VOTE: Andante

Realistically this is always who I am voting today so there's no need to drag it out.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:59 pm
by Stephen A Smith
i town

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:30 am
by Umlaut
I think if you just reread the game should make itself clear but all the same I will go through and make some kind of case. I hate making cases when I already know who is scum because it's impossible to avoid confbias but it's still a.thing I should do.

Please ask me any questions you have.

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:09 am
by Andante
ooh nice this is easy for me then!!
VOTE: Umlaut

and this would explain exactly why umlaut was so on the fence about who it was here, then that moment of panic like “oh what? andante vla and wasn’t here??”

and umlaut, what I was saying about the kill, if you had killed me, you’d have to have some sort of conviction behind dwlee maf or stephen maf, all you’ve done all game has been push me back, except the past days where we yeeted town, so here, you’d rather just keep pushing me, it makes complete sense.

I’m kinda around today, won’t be around tomorrow (unless maybe late, no promises)

but Stephen, I’m town here and if you have ANY doubts on that, please give me a chance to clear up any doubts there before yeeting me!!

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:34 pm
by Stephen A Smith
my body is ready

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:41 am
by Umlaut
Working on a post highlighting Andante'a behavior toward the wagons on known scum but it might not be done til tonight because I have to actually do my job at work today

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:49 pm
by Stephen A Smith
alright I have some free time this weekend to reread and think this out.

don't worry about like casing each other or whatever. I will be thorough as fuck.

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:22 pm
by Datisi
prodding Andante.

edit: i now notice she has v/la tags up. i don't think she's declared v/la in this game, the tags say until march 17, and it is already march 17 in the glorious land of europe. because i don't feel like trying to decode what time zone she is and when does her v/la Truly end, i'm prodding her anyway and giving her 36 hours to respond instead of the usual 24. cool? cool.

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:26 pm
by Datisi
and

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:26 pm
by Datisi
also