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At this point no night actions have been made, and unless it's some kinda crazy cop flavor, no cops have results yet.
Oh, that's right. Well, that makes cop fishing rather less likely.

has wrote:You're explaining that you think scum are leading the wagon to the mislynch of a townie.

I see a group of people who are bandwagoning along what looks like coordinated agendas. An agenda of "deflection from rofl to Lamont or Vino, and ideally 1-2 mislynch of Lamont and Fishy" looks like it fits the facts. My inference from that is that the people doing the bandwagoning are scum, and my secondary inference is that the people being mislynched are town.

rofl wrote:why are you suddenly convinced there are multiple scum groups?

Stop twisting my words. I said "could". This is a large game and multiple scum groups are not at all uncommon.

This also bothers me.

roflcopter wrote:btw, lets keep this momentum going people, don't just unvote and sit on your hands.

"Come on guys, let's lynch somebody quickly, doesn't matter who it is!"

EBWOP for messed-up tags:

At this point no night actions have been made, and unless it's some kinda crazy cop flavor, no cops have results yet.

Oh, that's right. Well, that makes cop fishing rather less likely.

has wrote:

has wrote:You're explaining that you think scum are leading the wagon to the mislynch of a townie.

I see a group of people who are bandwagoning along what looks like coordinated agendas, etc.

Vino wrote:This also bothers me.

roflcopter wrote:btw, lets keep this momentum going people, don't just unvote and sit on your hands.

"Come on guys, let's lynch somebody quickly, doesn't matter who it is!"

For that blatant misrepresentation.

the silent speaker wrote:

I see a group of people who are bandwagoning along what looks like coordinated agendas. An agenda of "deflection from rofl to Lamont or Vino, and ideally 1-2 mislynch of Lamont and Fishy" looks like it fits the facts. My inference from that is that the people doing the bandwagoning are scum, and my secondary inference is that the people being mislynched are town.

dude, does the fact that this thing happened in page 2-3 mean anything to you?
this is the first time you see a random stage bandwagon?

populartajo wrote:blatant misrepresentation.

Is it? The deadline is two weeks from now, plenty of time to get something else going, and the rules state that there the person with the most votes gets lynched, so there won't be a nolynch. I feels like roflcopter is trying to rush us. I think it's a fair interpretation.

Also: People. There's a "Preview" button for a reason. Let's get these quoting errors out of the way, please.

So that means that you think the silent speaker is town and rolf is scum rushing town into a bad decision or what is it?

Vino, how many games have you played before?

populartajo wrote:@Has, what exactly are we discussing? You think the "random stage" excuse is for voting someone is crap. Its not. I repeat. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

There's nothing inherently scummy about joining a wagon in "RVS". However, you can't jump on a wagon, and then later say "but it was the RVS." That just doesn't work. You have to have a reason for jumping on the wagon to make it not look like scum bandwagoning with no chance of getting called out on it because it was the "RVS".

populartajo wrote:So that means that you think the silent speaker is town and rolf is scum rushing town into a bad decision or what is it?

Holy crap don't put words in my mouth. Talk about misrepresentation, I didn't say anything about TSS. I don't know why you think I think he's town, I never said that, and I've been criticizing him recently. What I said is that rofl's statement strikes me as trying to rush us into another bandwagon without thinking about it, what's so wrong with that? Trying to direct other people to vote without analyzing and deciding what they think is decidedly un-townie behavior.

Vino wrote:This also bothers me.

roflcopter wrote:btw, lets keep this momentum going people, don't just unvote and sit on your hands.

"Come on guys, let's lynch somebody quickly, doesn't matter who it is!"

you've played with me before, so my position on the matter shouldn't have surprised you in the slightest.

and that is a huge misrepresentation of my actual position.

the above is funnier now that i've gotten the rest of the way down the page and seen this nugget.

vino wrote:Holy crap don't put words in my mouth.

roflcopter wrote:you've played with me before, so my position on the matter shouldn't have surprised you in the slightest.

Good point. If I could describe your play in one word it would be "reckless."

hasdgfas wrote:

populartajo wrote:@Has, what exactly are we discussing? You think the "random stage" excuse is for voting someone is crap. Its not. I repeat. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

There's nothing inherently scummy about joining a wagon in "RVS". However, you can't jump on a wagon, and then later say "but it was the RVS." That just doesn't work. You have to have a reason for jumping on the wagon to make it not look like scum bandwagoning with no chance of getting called out on it because it was the "RVS".

Kay, has I think I get your idea. I did have a reason (semidecent/semijoke but at the end a reason) to jump to that wagon. I agreed with fish analysis of Vino's first posts.

I just think that trying to find 100% serious reasons in a random bandwagon is a fruitless idea. People trying to paint these votes as a wagon infiltrated by scum eager to set a mislynch in page 2-3, and specially when it was a wagon in random stage, really bother me.

has, this is the first random bandwagon you see in mafiascum?

Vino wrote:

populartajo wrote:So that means that you think the silent speaker is town and rolf is scum rushing town into a bad decision or what is it?

Holy crap don't put words in my mouth. Talk about misrepresentation, I didn't say anything about TSS. I don't know why you think I think he's town, I never said that, and I've been criticizing him recently. What I said is that rofl's statement strikes me as trying to rush us into another bandwagon without thinking about it, what's so wrong with that? Trying to direct other people to vote without analyzing and deciding what they think is decidedly un-townie behavior.

I didnt put words in your mouth. I was asking. Im trying to understand your thought process here.

Do you think that rolf, who is "rushing us into another bandwagon", is more likely to be town or scum based in this behavior?

Nooooo just lost my post to the preview button... here goes again.

@ Sensfan: if he really is a cop, we lose a lot by lynching him now. If he is mafia, we lose rather less by leaving him alive a day or two.

Vino comes top of my scumlist:
1. In a very minor way, I still believe in the point at the beginning of the game; his random vote sounded false.
2. His “I always look scummy” post. Trying to get us to treat scumminess as a personal nulltell.
3.Vote for Sensfan, above the people actually voting for him. As far as I can see, Sensfan’s crime was simply a weaker version of the people actually on the wagon.
4. The defense following this vote;

Vino wrote:

hasdgfas wrote:Post 146 by Vino: I'm not sure why you're voting for SensFan here? at all?

Because I want to. I sense a subtle defense of SensFan from you, what's the deal?

This is horrible. Vino’s vote on SensFan was practically unexplained (“he should know better”- nothing else). hasd asking for clarification is completely reasonable, and responding by accusing him of defending Sens is no more than a way to stop people questioning Vino’s votes.

5. I agree that 326 is a bad misrep of rofl
6. If LC is scum, I’ll bet Vino is. That’s not a reason why Vino is scum; it is a reason why we should lynch him.
7. Voting for Vino is a solid move.

Other players I’m suspicious of:
Head Honcho: hasn’t committed to anything (including a non-random vote).

tss: unreasonably fixated on a near-random wagon. His reasons for thinking the wagon was not random boil down to “it wasn’t”. There is nothing in his posts that explains why he distinguishes this bandwagon from any other early d1 wagon with a few votes on it. The whole affair seems contrived.

tss wrote:I have not fully explained why I think this was a setup for a 1-2: because those "sound reason for a bandwagon" posts looked to me like they might be cop fishing. Maybe they thought that "I thought he was a cop and had a guilty! Now that he's not, I'm suspicious of him!" or something similar would help get them votes on day 2, or

maybe they honestly thought he might be one.

Really?? So after one post in a day start, the scum thought I was a cop with a guilty- presumably on another scum. They decided that the best course of action was to join the wagon as quickly as possible. Perhaps I misunderstand you?
Even the actually possible explanation (they were going to claim they thought I was the cop) is unrealistic. No scum could be so deluded as to think that was going to stick.

There are a few more players I need to read (those beginning with S, for some reason), so more may follow tomorrow.

There's the second time in one page you're implying another player is inexperienced because he has a different opinion than you. I'm not quite sure what to think of it.

Crap simulpost. That was in reply to 337.

I see two other replies directed at me but I'm starving so I'll reply later.

Vino wrote:There's the second time in one page you're implying another player is inexperienced because he has a different opinion than you. I'm not quite sure what to think of it.

When exactly did I say this?

populartajo wrote:

hasdgfas wrote:

populartajo wrote:@Has, what exactly are we discussing? You think the "random stage" excuse is for voting someone is crap. Its not. I repeat. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

There's nothing inherently scummy about joining a wagon in "RVS". However, you can't jump on a wagon, and then later say "but it was the RVS." That just doesn't work. You have to have a reason for jumping on the wagon to make it not look like scum bandwagoning with no chance of getting called out on it because it was the "RVS".

Kay, has I think I get your idea. I did have a reason (semidecent/semijoke but at the end a reason) to jump to that wagon. I agreed with fish analysis of Vino's first posts.

I just think that trying to find 100% serious reasons in a random bandwagon is a fruitless idea. People trying to paint these votes as a wagon infiltrated by scum eager to set a mislynch in page 2-3, and specially when it was a wagon in random stage, really bother me.

has, this is the first random bandwagon you see in mafiascum?

Not at all, I mean, I've been here nearly two years. The difference is, people usually defend with serious reasons as opposed to "it was random stage" like you did, because there are often serious reasons to jump on a "random bandwagon" because, and here's a real shocker, it's not actually random. You made a concious decision to get on the wagon, and you need to be able to defend that decision.

Once here and once here.

populartajo wrote:Do you think that rolf, who is "rushing us into another bandwagon", is more likely to be town or scum based in this behavior?

Vino wrote:Trying to direct other people to vote without analyzing and deciding what they think is decidedly un-townie behavior.

Vino also wrote:"Come on guys, let's lynch somebody quickly, doesn't matter who it is!"

I don't know how you can read that and think that I read this as townly behavior. That said, I admit I really didn't consider the source when I first posted my objection to his post. Like I just said, it does rather fit roflcopter's townie meta. (That's not to say that it's a town-tell either, though.)

Fishy, you lost a post to the preview button? That never happens to me, but now I feel bad for suggesting people use it. Maybe next time it happens hit the back button to see if you can get your post back? Anyways...

I did end up explaining my vote on SensFan in a later post.

Fishythefish wrote:6. If LC is scum, I’ll bet Vino is. That’s not a reason why Vino is scum; it is a reason why we should lynch him.

Who is "him" ? Do you mean that we should lynch me, or LC?

I was reading TSS's post and building my objections in my mind but then they were all pretty much covered by the posters above. To summarise -

a) Why do you think there are two scum factions?
b) Your cop-fishing theory makes no sense because there hasn't been a night action yet, and that's already been established in thread.
c) Your circular reasoning for believing the wagon was started by a townie and targetting a townie. (scum are on the wagon because the wagon has been started by and on a townie. It was started on and by a townie because scum are on the wagon and are driving it.)
d) Apart from the cop-fishing point above, which already has a huge hole in it, what other reason do you have to be so confident about who is town and who is scum based on those early posts?

Wow, whoops, I got to the end of page 13 and assumed that was it - rereading the top of the page. Ignore my post if it's been answered.

How popular are cults in this forum?

Triple post for the loving. Look at the cute dinosaur - it has ANOTHER cute dinosaur riding it! Yay pleasant avatar, now you get to see it three times, don't complain about my triple post.

I think the list above stands, really. As fishy points out, even assuming there was a cop with a verdict - why would that lead the scum to do what they did? They started possibly cop fishing then pushed a wagon.... but if the initiator was a cop and it was against a town, the cop would have an innocent verdict so presumably the wagon would never get going?

The whole theory, justification and posting style stinks to me.