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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:30 pm

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So we all know that Sens decided to throwdown right away. While I would have done it D1 if I had the role, I would have waited until later in the day as opposed to right away. I also think that Sens probably didn't totally read his role PM and see that a throwdown ended day. If I were to use this role again, I probably wouldn't have made it end day, as that was probably a bit too much of a disadvantage for the town so early. So sorry about that.

Day 2 was kind of decided because Snow_Bunny had double posted twice and had to go to a tiny time slot. First off that made it hard to defend herself, and second because it kinda just gets you frustrated and almost makes you want to be dead. Difficult, but I felt Snow could have done a slightly better job at defending herself instead of acting like she wanted to be lynched at the end.

Day 3 was very interesting, as I really thought Shotty was going to get bussed for a while there. If I were scum, I probably would have finished the job as well, maybe even self-hammered if I had been Shotty, just to kill discussion. Socrates giving himself away like that had the chance to be disastrous for the scum, but fortunately for them, Gorrad hadn't switched yet, and lost his entire role after killing one of them. Otherwise, Gorrad would probably have been able to systematically take each of them out.

Day 4 I kind of just wanted to see how it would play out, even though I didn't think town had a shot at that point, which was confirmed after the NL. I had seen scum bus each other at 2v2 before, so I didn't want to end it too early with that possibility.

I feel really sorry for MrSuave and reckoner, as both of them got kinda screwed with what happened D1. Suave was the unlucky one to get drawn as the town neighbor with Shotty, whose task was to have his neighbor dead, so they killed him N1. reckoner got really screwed, with getting throwdowned AND vigged on D1 after making one post.

Oh, and I probably should have changed MTV's switch task to "switch two other players' roles OR everyone else is switched", because I realized it was possible that it could be impossible to complete his switch task. I also should have adjusted the switch tasks of the scum that weren't shotty to something that their buddies couldn't do, even though in order for it to work, either they needed to kill a buddy or already be switched.

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Night 1:
Snow_Bunny: "I'm a miller" - Gorrad -> not a lie
Gorrad: kill xRECKONERx
dahill1: kill MrSuave
Riceballtail: Investigate Shotty to the Body -> Cartoon Network
sigma: block xRECKONERx
fuzzylightning/Drake: switch reckoner(nope, dead)

Night 2:
Gorrad: kill Riceballtail
dahill1: kill Fishythefish
sigma: block Shotty to the Body
Shotty: investigate Socrates -> blocked
fuzzylightning/Drake: switch Shotty(nope, already switched)

Night 3:
Gorrad: kill Shotty
Socrates: kill sigma
Drake: switch sigma(nope, dead and already switched)


Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the game, even if it was quick and ended up being really swingy. I knew there was that possibility, but I didn't expect it to swing so far.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:50 pm

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For all intents and purposes wasn't a vig. =P Thanks for hosting this game has, I really enjoyed it. Post-game commentary, I guess considering that 6 townies fell over in the first two days I expected to win. I realized that Gorrad being a NK-Proof Vig was screwing us since our win-con was to posses a majority. I also realized even if I was bussed my actions had made it pretty apparent who my team-mates were. I was glad my teammates didn't go for the bus even after I fucked up by claiming despite the block. I have to agree with has here that Sens doing his throwdown so early really screwed up the town. They had two dead without a bit of discussion and then were thrown headlong into an easy lynch that was scum-driven. I guess Gorrad's policy of vigging whoever happens to be second on votes is okay, but from my perspective I would rather be killing people the town wasn't agreeing on rather than the ones they were agreeing on, considering on D2 it was safe to assume at least 1/3 of the town was scum.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:42 pm

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Socrates giving himself away like that had the chance to be disastrous for the scum, but fortunately for them, Gorrad hadn't switched yet, and lost his entire role after killing one of them. Otherwise, Gorrad would probably have been able to systematically take each of them out.
Yea, I spent a lot of time thinking about what I should do in that situation, but eventually I realized that it would be impossible for scum to win if we bussed Shotty. That night Gorrad vigs either me or Dahil (that was what he was saying he would do anyway) and we NK either Sigma or Drake. Then even if the remaining scum uses an amazing silver tongue to somehow talk gorrad into lynching the townie left (seriously, I doubt we could) he just Vigs the last remaining other player left and wins the game. At that point we NEEDED either me or dahil to change to some role that could deal with Gorrad, and Shotty was the only way to fulfill my switchtast. At that point it was just No-lynch and pray. Turns out my switched role COULD potentially deal with the Gorrad issue, but it was unneeded.

I ended up not doing much in this game, which is kinda a let down, though it is to be expected with the way things were. I honestly didn't realize that the town was in such dire straights when I offered to replace. :?

I liked the set up, and I think the only reason it turned out so swingy was Sens using his ability at the very beginning of the game. If he had just waited on that, then the town probably wouldn't have spiraled out of control so quickly. Also it didn't help that Gorrad missed on his first two shots, which is gonna have consequences no matter what in a 12 player game.

I had something else to say, but I forgot.

Oh yea, the main thing I am going to take away from this game is just how awkward it is to coordinate a 3 man quicklynch. It was brought up multiple times throughout day 3, but you guys do realize that we had no way to communicate with each other right? We all would have to be on at the same time and vote simultaniously without the townie unvoting in-between and do this with absolutely no communication. If I ever find myself in a similar situation as town, I know not to be so leery about placing the first vote down, as it will be so hard for scum to quick-lynch off it.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:13 pm

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So, channel cop turned out to be rather useless, unless I could tie it to a kill flavor. That said, I was going to put Shotty together with the purple goo kill. BTW, did you not notice the fact I was breadcrumbing cop all of D2? >_>
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:04 am

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Great game, 'cept maybe for the post restrictions... ¬_¬
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:54 am

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A good game, but I think the throwdown was a bad idea in a mini. Town got exactly one lynch, which if I say so myself is kinda messed up. Still, all in all I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:58 am

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Agreed good game.

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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:07 am

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Snow_Bunny wrote:Great game, 'cept maybe for the post restrictions... ¬_¬
Sorry about that. It was mostly a way to make sure people weren't walling and were making sure to be concise in what they were saying, which I thought worked decently.
Gorrad wrote:A good game, but I think the throwdown was a bad idea in a mini. Town got exactly one lynch, which if I say so myself is kinda messed up. Still, all in all I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Yeah, like I said, if I were to use it again, it probably wouldn't end the day, as that affected the outcome a bit too much, IMO.
Riceballtail wrote:So, channel cop turned out to be rather useless, unless I could tie it to a kill flavor. That said, I was going to put Shotty together with the purple goo kill. BTW, did you not notice the fact I was breadcrumbing cop all of D2? >_>
Eh, if scum claimed a channel they weren't and you had inv'd them, it would've helped, but yeah, it's mostly for flavor. I'm a big fan of flavor cops or cops with some twist to them, as I'm not a huge fan of fully sane cops.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:12 pm

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I take it whichever of me or my neighbor that flipped would've been insane then? I never actually got a result lol...
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:23 am

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I didn't mind the post restrictions, but I think the punishments were a bit harsh - in particular, double posting is very hard to remember about.

I agree that the throwdown would be a better idea if it didn't end the game. It might also make more sense in a larger game.
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:23 am

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I didn't mind the post restrictions, but I think the punishments were a bit harsh - in particular, double posting is very hard to remember about.

I agree that the throwdown would be a better idea if it didn't end the game. It might also make more sense in a larger game.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:07 am

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Shotty to the Body wrote:I take it whichever of me or my neighbor that flipped would've been insane then? I never actually got a result lol...
well, you were technically sane, but also scum. He would've been paranoid.
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:06 pm

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I wish I hadn't been killed D1. >.>
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:22 am

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I voted to save you in the throwdown, but every town PR went after you lol.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:28 am

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Bad video was bad.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:55 pm

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yeah.. I wish I could have actually posted something >_> D-1 was dumb
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:09 pm

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Snow_Bunny wrote:Bad video was bad.
If you voted based on the quality of the video, you made a mistake. Why on Earth would it ever be a good idea to lynch randomly based on who has a better music video?
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:05 pm

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MrSuave wrote:yeah.. I wish I could have actually posted something >_> D-1 was dumb
blame having greedy scum for a neighbor :D
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:47 am

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SensFan wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:Bad video was bad.
If you voted based on the quality of the video, you made a mistake. Why on Earth would it ever be a good idea to lynch randomly based on who has a better music video?
It was early D1. I had nothing against either of them. Quality video seemed like a good option.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:08 am

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...how can 'Quality of a Music Video they choose' possibly ever be a good idea to decide a lynch?
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:11 am

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It wasn't, but I think hascow was intending for the throwdown issuer to use it later in the day when we knew more about each player..
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:12 am

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SensFan was so obviously town when he did that it hurts. No scum would ever have the ability he had. The fact that the town failed to realize this makes me sad.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:22 am

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hasdgfas wrote:
MrSuave wrote:yeah.. I wish I could have actually posted something >_> D-1 was dumb
blame having greedy scum for a neighbor :D
Hey now, we WERE eating contest buddies, gluttony was the obvious choice for a sin.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:55 am

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SensFan wrote:If you voted based on the quality of the video, you made a mistake. Why on Earth would it ever be a good idea to lynch randomly based on who has a better music video?
This. I was amazed when Sens died - I thought that voting for "Go Sens Go" was completely obvious.
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:01 pm

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Fishythefish wrote:
SensFan wrote:If you voted based on the quality of the video, you made a mistake. Why on Earth would it ever be a good idea to lynch randomly based on who has a better music video?
This. I was amazed when Sens died - I thought that voting for "Go Sens Go" was completely obvious.
Once I'd confirmed that the votes wouldn't be made public from hasdgfas I voted against Sens since he was obv town lol.
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