Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[Magister Ludi]

Drunken Piper is the most amusing poster I have encountered on this site.

[springlullaby]

Springlullaby, I don't understand the contradiction. My case was VERY clear. The fact that many people have read it and you're the only one who doesn't understand it is evidence of that. And if you think that case is long, you are going to cry later in the game. At first I saw his post and was like "god damnit, he's going to do that thing where he acts extremely scummy and float by through the game", so I voted him. That was half policy/half anticipative scumminess. Then he posted more and I had a firm scum read on him.

I don't like the way you are implying that I'm stupid because I'm finding fault in you whereas no one else has. That's a very scummy reply because it is 1)trying to discredit your attacker 2)a fallacy because you are basically saying "you can't find fault with me because no one has yet".
This is doubly scummy because you have played with me in an ongoing game, and you therefore know that I'm not a particularly bad scumhunter.

Also, there is a misrep in your reply because I never said that your case being long was at fault, but rather that being both long winded and without content was.

But maybe I was too lazy in my last post so I'm going to be more explicit.

Relevant post concerning fourseen in chronological order.

vote fourseencircumstance

Not dealing with this. This ends now.

First mention of fourseen with vote. I read this as a clear call for policy-lynch.

hmmm..... Ponder.....

Crypto is a pretty active player and that is very helpful for the town early on to generate discussion and what not so I'd like to see him stick around.....

unvote

Did you really just come to this realization that Crypto is active?

..
Yeah, you need to die, you're really going to be useless the whole game aren't you? Either your mafia playing awful on purpose or you're town and you're playing awful on purpose. Either way you're playing awful on purpose and need to die.

Again this seem to be a call for a policy lynch(motivation of vote is not a strong conviction about alignment).

No, you moron. It means that you play in a specific Anti-Town herp a derp playstyle manner where you specificly go out of your way to emulate scummy play regardless of alignment. Your "read me some other way" is a clear indication of this.

It means your play is going to be scummy and bad regardless. Even if you are Town odds are you will not help out Town long Term.

No go sit and the corner and stop yapping like a Tea-cup Poodle. Some of us have scum to catch.

Come on MoI, you were in TV Mafia, you saw what Fourseen did, you should be saying this to him as well!

I mean, really look at his ISO, let me show you what I mean:

Alright,,


So Diddin I don't know where you were going in your first post nor do I care...

Warrirmode do you have any sort of postrestriction?

Crypto, your counter case against Diddin fairly weak, but the case on you is even weaker. hmm ponder.....

But looking at the plan from Magna....... It seems like the case be...... you are likely a good target at least not a good informational lynch for town.

unvote. Vote: Crypto

Allow me to summarize

>Didden I dont understand/care about your thought process
>[insert nonscumhunting question]
>Case on crypto is weaker than case on diden
>Magna's case implies crypto good information lynch
>vote crypto
>information lynch
>basically crypto talks a lot so lynch him

The consensus of the posts so far says magna knows what he is doing in this game, so I am going along with it.

>I'm sheeping Magna

hmmm..... Ponder.....

Crypto is a pretty active player and that is very helpful for the town early on to generate discussion and what not so I'd like to see him stick around.....

unvote

>crypto is active so keep crypto alive

But.. crypto being active is what made him a good information lynch ergo your entire basis of your last vote! So.. contradiction.

Also he has stated no real reads or given any real comments, he has backpedaled in the above post on the only opinion he had. It's time to get rid of this guy now. He is very scummy already and he is just going to annoy me with his awful posts and people going "VI TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM!". If we encourage this type of play by letting him live, then it will spread. He dies now.

I just didn't want an argument over TV mafia spilling out, I wanted to give Fourseen a chance because for the most part everyone deserves a second chance. But no, he is dying after his recent posts.

Here is the only post where it can be said that you are putting up a "case" against fourseen.
1. This post is padded with paraphrases which are pretty pointless to my eyes, and when you get to why you find him scummy you say that he is backpedalling which is not adequate imo, it looks more like a derp though process, and you technically can't back-pedal in one post. So yeah, that's not much of a case.
2. I get mixed signals, you say in the same sentence that you find him both scummy and annoying: which is it?

Projectmatt, I'm not lynching him because he's 'playing badly', rather he is playing very scummy. Go read my post on the matter, Fourseen backpedals hard.

Then, in the next post about fourseen with no transition that I can see you are saying that you find fourseen full on scummy. Well, looking back I don't think you have much of a case.

This doesn't add up to me and it's what I would call up backpedalling.
Additionally I don't like the way you have been posting so much when your vote is basically a weak case on a weak player. And I'm thinking the progression from your "policy lynch the VI" to "yeah my vote is justified because he is scummy" is parallel to the popularity of the fourseen wagon.
What do you say?

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I would like to know why diddin is voting Junpei too.

[Junpei]

I'd say it is a developed read. That's what happens when you're active and constantly scumhunting like I am. Also I find it funny that you say that backpedalling is not an adequate reason for a vote, yet you are voting me for supposed backpedalling.

Using rhetoric like "pretty pointless to my eyes" which cannot be proved false yet you don't explain is trickery, as is "padded with paragraphs", "derp through process". I find him scummy AND annoying, they are not contradictory.

Also I did not imply that you were stupid, stop overreacting, I was refuting your point that my case was unclear. Also, it is not a matter of "you can't fault me because no one has yet", it is a matter of "others have found the subject of my fault as bestowed by you to be such that fault is not in order".

Also it was not a misrep saying you saying my case was long was you enunciating a scum tell because that is exactly how it was written.

[springlullaby]

I'd say it is a developed read. That's what happens when you're active and constantly scumhunting like I am. Also I find it funny that you say that backpedalling is not an adequate reason for a vote, yet you are voting me for supposed backpedalling.

You are constantly scumhunting...on one player who is clearly a VI? I don't get that because I think town is more likely going to ask for a vig when they are aware of such a player in the game.
I'm not saying that backpedalling isn't an adequate reason for a vote, but that you saying Fourseen was backpedalling had very little basis in the first place.

Using rhetoric like "pretty pointless to my eyes" which cannot be proved false yet you don't explain is trickery, as is "padded with paragraphs", "derp through process". I find him scummy AND annoying, they are not contradictory.

There is a contradiction if you claim one post later that your vote is clearly not a policy vote.

Also I did not imply that you were stupid, stop overreacting, I was refuting your point that my case was unclear. Also, it is not a matter of "you can't fault me because no one has yet", it is a matter of "others have found the subject of my fault as bestowed by you to be such that fault is not in order".

... That's a really obtuse reply. You are basically saying "it's not a matter of situation x, it is a matter of situation x".
Please explain the difference between "you can't fault me because no one has yet" and "others have found the subject of my fault as bestowed by you to be such that fault is not in order".

Also it was not a misrep saying you saying my case was long was you enunciating a scum tell because that is exactly how it was written.

False. Please quote me.

Who are you suspicious of beside fourseen?

[Junpei]

You seemed to mean that no one had said not that I was of fault because of subject X, but that no one had yet pointed said fault out. I retorted that said fault was not delayed due to a discredit to others (or you), but that you are misinterpreting the facts.

I'm suspicious of..
Toog, Stringer, Magister Ludi, didden

That's off the top of my head, not including Fourseen of course. I'm unclear if you are asking who I am suspicious of or who I think is scum at this juncture.

[SlySly]

SlySly calling Junpei out for a "slip" is fine and all but not followed up by a vote is scummy.

He responded, I voted. In my very next post.

ISO #1, post 158

[Drunken Piper]

Drunken Piper is the most amusing poster I have encountered on this site.

after a while, it will get old..
or so that is, what I am told.

instead, dont focus on the rhyme
pay attention to those votes of mine.

(swig)

[Toogeloo]

I'm going out on a limb and stating crypto/DGB almost 100% confirmed town at this point. That old wagon might be a good place to get some dirt.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x9 ::

FourseenCircumstance (10) -

DrippingGoofball, Junpei, Stringer Bell, Bunnylover, implosion, nopointinactingup, Kdub, wazzatron, EtherealCookie, Sinestro

warriormode (5)

Magister Ludi, Drunken Piper, projectmatt, Workdawg, Toogeloo

Stringer Bell (3) -

RedCoyote, MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, diddin

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

diddin (1) -

FourseenCircumstance

Not Voting (2) -

whispersilk, Furcolow

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

[Junpei]

I'm going out on a limb and stating

crypto/DGB almost 100% confirmed town at this point.

That old wagon might be a good place to get some dirt.

Why?

[Toogeloo]

The manner in which crypto exited the game suggests as such.

[Kdub]

I'll speed up your wait, Kdub.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=18300

ISO him, I believe he asks to be lynched many times.

Well, that link demonstrates FC's VI behavior, but it doesn't explain the behavior that diddin called scummy when crypto did it.

diddin says crypto is scum for backtracking on warrior wagon after someone calls him on it. FC does the exact same thing against crypto. diddin then says FC is town because he's playing similar to his town meta supposedly. I asked for evidence of FC doing this (not just being a VI in general, which I accept). diddin himself has yet to provide evidence of this past behavior.

There's not just one. TV Mafia and Toy Story mafia are the games I'm talking about.

Again, maybe those games demonstrate that he is a VI, but does VI behavior excuse changing your reads just because somebody pressures you for it (which is what you specifically called scummy when someone else supposedly did it)? Show me where FC has done something similar, otherwise I will just assume you are trying to defend him with a blanket "he's a VI" claim, as if that covers for scummy behavior.

I'm tempted to switch my vote to diddin, but that's not really a productive wagon right now.

In other news, Furcolow is very likely to be non-mafia based on his first few posts.

[Junpei]

The manner in which crypto exited the game suggests as such.

So you're practically clearing the slot as town because of something which is pure WIFOM?

[RedCoyote]

Did warrior ever talk about FC? I need to go check that out.

[EtherealCookie]

@Magna

Why are you not voting diddin (who you clearly think is scum)?

Because I can only vote one person? And notice how Four distances himself away from Diddin right after I point that out and puts his vote on him?

Warriormode is also raising my suspicion right about now. Clarifying on something you didn't mention before doesn't work, because clearly it wasn't on your mind when you first made the vote or you'd have posted it. Your original reason for voting him was kinda piss poor, and you're trying to wriggle out of that by making up new reasons for your vote.

[Toogeloo]

The manner in which crypto exited the game suggests as such.

So you're practically clearing the slot as town because of something which is pure WIFOM?

I am. Doesn't mean you have to accept it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hello.

Will read game tonight, if not, on Monday.

Just on the content of this page, though, Toogie is town.

[Magister Ludi]

This is the mighty forseen wagon. Consensus of the people at the time of their vote; lynch the 'lol-village idiot' and move on with the game.

Number of people willing to lynch just 'cause: 9
People sheeping the opinion that he is sheeping: 5
Backtracking accusations: a few. 4 by my count.

This is 0% chance of hitting scum

FourseenCircumstance, paraphrased: "Crypto makes a weak case on diddin. Diddin makes a weaker case on crypto. But I'm going to vote crypto anyway, not because he's mafia but because he's a 'good informational lynch.'"

Unvote. Vote: FourseenCircumstance.

Here's a tip. The town doesn't win by lynching townies for the sake of information. It wins by lynching mafia. Man up and take some real stances, FourseenCircumstance, instead of copping out on a pathetically and indisputably anti-town procedure.

vote fourseencircumstance

Not dealing with this. This ends now.

VOTE: FourseenCircumstances. That was about as blatant as it gets.

hmmm..... Ponder.....

Crypto is a pretty active player and that is very helpful for the town early on to generate discussion and what not so I'd like to see him stick around.....

unvote

That is just bad lol


I am still in favor of Crypto been lynched, but I think FourseenCircumstance is a much more obvious choice.

Unvote, Vote: FourseenCircumstance

Unvote

VOTE: Fourseencircumstance

Crypto is town from last experience with him in this style
No opinion on warrior yet
@Magna: Who are you tunneling today?
Toog is probably town
StringerBell and Bunnylover are town
diddin looks more like angry town than angry scum
Fourseen's backpedalling needs

Unvote.Vote:Fourseen

Sinestro needs more stuff
.
.
And yes I was skimming xD

But looking at the plan from Magna....... It seems like the case be...... you are likely a good target at least not a good informational lynch for town.

unvote. Vote: Crypto

Crypto is a pretty active player and that is very helpful for the town early on to generate discussion and what not so I'd like to see him stick around.....

unvote

I see. He's a good lynch for "informational" reasons, then he's not a good lynch because he generates discussion (i.e. information). Makes perfect sense.

Anyway, Stringer, you don't have a good place to vote?

Not at the moment, I'm not sure of the warriormode wagon and don't want it to get out of hand this early in the day. Nothing worse than quicklynching day 1.

VOTE: FourseenCircumstances. That was about as blatant as it gets.

So you were hesitant to wagon warriormode because you didn't like the speed of it, then you easily hop onto the quickly growing FC wagon? Why the difference?

I wouldn't mind a diddin lynch right now either, but I'm interested to see where this FC wagon leads us.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: FourseenCircumstance

ok first

@mod i was actually voting crypto since post 44 not warrior

Crypto the reads may give scum more to go off but it also will give town more to go off so not giving reads is not necessarily town (not saying it's anti-town either)

even with that said

UNVOTE: CRYPTO
VOTE: FOURSEEN

but i still

FOS CRYPTO

foreseen is just more scummy at this point.

Fourseen please don't just sheep give your own opinions even if they are the same as other peoples i like to see people give there own full arguments because there conclusions can be easily different.
Also you vote and unvote within 40 minutes just because of 2 votes on you under the guise of "wow his so active".
active ≠ town.

that's a main thing that you need to learn.

P-Edit - ninja'd

\Crypto’s vote has little backing to it, and he even admits he has no strong logic behind it. Gut feelings are bad indicators and show poor effort placed in.
Tl;dr; scum bussing
FourSeen seems to be VI. His reasoning is terrible. He is either scum or really dumb townie, anyways.
@ Stringer Bell
You’re not off the hook. Who else do you think is suspicious? You can’t have just gotten ONE PERSON from this entire thread. Nice job hopping onto that wagon gaining steam, by the way.
Also, what the hell is wrong with Diddin? Town read from Fourseen?
Also scumbuddies.

Unvote

Vote: FourseenCircumstance

The consensus of the posts so far says magna knows what he is doing in this game, so I am going along with it.

Sheep the plan, yes.
Think for yourself.
Scumreads besides the obvtown crypto?

vote fourseencircumstance

Not dealing with this. This ends now.

I'm going to assume he's a VI.
Is he? Do you just have personal history (like diddin?) or what because it isn't shotty so I don't know about him.
Your response just sounds like "LYNCH THE IDIOT" so I wanted some clarification.

I'm thinking give-the-VI-theBotD but if there's significant meta then...

Vote: FourseenCircumstance

Other notorious scumreads are listed above.
Would you rather have a comprehensive list of reads from us?

We're both in the game now and comparing notes and whatnot over in Korugar.

[Magister Ludi]

Love the new avatar dripping!

Did warrior ever talk about FC? I need to go check that out.

Did this lead you anywhere?

[whispersilk]

Shit, I completely forgot about this game. How can it be 14 pages already?

[DrippingGoofball]

Magister Ludi is also town.

[SlySly]

Hi DGB!

[DrippingGoofball]

Hello SlySly

Page 14, and no one is voting you?

You must be scum!

[Junpei]

Hello DrippingGoofball, glad to see you joined in!

What are your current reads/analysis on the game/gamestate?

[SlySly]

Hello SlySly

Page 14, and no one is voting you?

You must be scum!

I've just been busy at work and haven't had enough time to dig in. I'm sure once I get caught up and get my thoughts posted, my usual self will emerge!