Mini 183: Quick and the Dead - Town Wins!

[Myopia]

I think its pretty evidence im not scum. Why would i risk myself unecessarily with a duel.

But then you know that.

Im sufficiently convinced your scum. Ive stated my reasons. I was a vig with a day kill I would use it on you. Thats the threshold I set for myself at the start of the game for instituting a duel.

If im wrong then yes im a bone head. But based on the games of yours ive read i just cant see you being pro-town in this one.

[Myopia]

Also im sorry but im unexpectantly on leave for a week and probably wont have email access for that time.

I know this is lousy timing but i had no say in it (just quit my job and they want me to get my leave balance down). Mod please replace me (assuming i live) if it unduly delays the game.

[NanookTheWolf]

Myopia, Ace Hanlon, Townie, Gunned Down

6 Alive, 4 to Lynch!

Wow, Another miserable day in the west!

[_Obelix_]

So, what do we do next? Because we are digging a hole ourselves.

[mathcam]

Yay, I guess. I say we either lynch Coron or do no lynch. I've only recently started wavering about Coron's suspiciousness...it really does seem like he has an edge in dueling, which I kind of doubt the mod would give to scum.

Cam

[mathcam]

*watches tumbleweed blow by*

Cam

[Coron]

personally I think that if we don't have a vig claim(and maybe even if we do) we should definately NOT no lynch as in a game of this size there is a potential for 3 mafia in a group. We've lost 1 so, that means if we lose two tonight 6-2=4=we lose(assuming mafia don't die) I think that might be too much of a risk.
Then again if we lynch wrong things look even worse for us.
Myopia(proven protown) was very suspicious of mathcam, to the point of being near sure he was mafia perhaps that's the way to go though I'm not really sure I agree.

Because we have this awesome vig power for town all the rest of my statements will assume there are 3 mafia(seems to weak if it wasn't)

Mastermind of Sin is gone right now.
MgM- could be a sk if we lynched the sk(or lynch wrong) we'd be at 4 and lose tomorrow.
_Obelix_ - top suspicion as part of the mafia at this point if we lynched mafia and lost 2 protown at night .... 3 alive 1 mafia 1 sk 1 townie hmmm it would work out better if say.... it ended up being 2 town 1 scum which is more likely or even better no scum 3 town.

Personally I think the scum could consist of MgM(sk) _Obelix_(mafia) and mathcam(mafia).

I'd like to hear other people's ideas.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I agree with coron somewhat. I don't like the way mathcam and obelix are running the game.

[_Obelix_]

My ideas:
I made a mistake. I was not the only one, but one of the more vocals towards the Coron-SquareKnight duel. Coron was acting really strangely, not wanting to claim and all, and SK was the only generic character, which was pretty suspicious IMO.

Also, I would like to know why "Mastermind of Sin is gone right now". He supported the duel between Coron and SK too.

Right now, I think we should reconsider a mass claim.

[Mgm]

I don't like how the wrong people are surviving the duels and I have the feeling Coron's duelling abilities are very much in line with a one-off GF thing. And his unwillingness to say much of anything about his role doesn't help.

[mathcam]

Also, I would like to know why "Mastermind of Sin is gone right now". He supported the duel between Coron and SK too.

I think that he meant "MOS is gone" in the sense that he hadn't posted in over a week.

I don't like the way mathcam and obelix are running the game.

That's just foolish. If more people other than obelix and I (and a couple of others) were paying more attention to this game, it would be impossible for two of us to "run" it. But given your dissatisfaction on this point, why is it that instead of coming back with a collection of ideas on what to do next, your first post

in ten days

consists of two sentences, one of which essentially complaining about your own lack of participation???

FOS: MOS

for that.

Coron, you think there's

another

SK

and

3 mafia? That would put the potential scum total at the start of this game to at least 5 out of 12.

Cam

[Coron]

hmmm that is an excellent point mathcam. Then I guess we have a vigilante?
MoS has posting in V/LA thread about him being gone/busy recently(he might be back now I'm not sure) that is why I said he's gone right now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not back. I posted from a hotel while I'm on my trip. I'm still on my trip, and still posting from Hotels. I didn't have time to post much more than I did. I just tried to point out what I'd noticed in as few words as possible.

[Mgm]

Coron, you think there's

another

SK

and

3 mafia? That would put the potential scum total at the start of this game to at least 5 out of 12.

Cam

Puzzle is listed as a townie/SK. So to me it's clear he wasn't an SK at the start of the game. He was a townie. Why else put that in his role description?

FOS: Mathcam

Now considering the speed with which people are still dying at night, I do agree we probably have another SK (which we had from the start).
With the townie's ability to duel suspicious people, there's no real need to put a vig in the game to balance it.

And since my vote on Myopia is pretty moot right now, I might as well change it.

Vote: Coron

. I'd like an explanation for your eagerness to duel when it doesn't prove a thing about your alignment.

[mathcam]

Yup, that's why I wrote "potential scum" instead of scum. Regardless of whether or not he was scum at the start of the game, there was the possibility of having 5 scum (out of 12) in the game if there's a mafia group of 3, a regular serial killer, and Puzzle. This seems unlikely to me.

I agree with Mgm on demanding an explanation from Coron. Though I'm not sure I find him the most scummy right now, I'll throw on a

Vote: Coron

until you say

something

to convince me that your unwillingness to reveal anything should be interpreted as pro-town.

Cam

[The Shadow]

In my opinion, if there's an SK, it's gotta be Mgm. I don't think there was one in the beginning. There was only one kill which seems to mean only one scum group...there's the possibilitiy of a doc protect or double-kill, but it looks more to me like a vig holding back.

What I want to know is why Coron is being classed as unwilling to reveal when I can't think of anything that the rest of us have all revealed.

[Mgm]

And didn't we discuss all that nonsense about me becoming SK later in the game earlier already?

[Coron]

There are many reasons why I'd be "eager" to duel.
The only one that would make me scum(as far as I can think of) would be scum with a dueling ability.

Seems to me we've already lost the godfather. I suppose both the mafia could have abilities and there is only 2 mafia. Seems to me three mafia with 2+ with some sort of ability(I suppose gf had an ablility) would be powerful and 2 with 2 abilities would be too weak.

-Coron

[mathcam]

Shadow, I feel we've mostly revealed whether or not we have a generic role. And it's less that he hasn't revealed anything than the fact that he's pointedly stated a couple of times that he refuses to reveal anything. Why? Because he's scum and doesn't want to get caught? Or because he's town and doesn't want to give anything away? If it's the latter, there should be

something

he could tell us to at least partly assuage our fears.

Cam

[The Shadow]

OK. I'd forgotten about the 'partial claim' or whatever it was. My opinion would be if he was scum, he'd make up something sooner then refusing to say anything. That's pretty much like sticking a 'kick me' sign on your back. However, I think the time for holding back is over with only 6 left. No matter what info he's withholding, it should be revealed now or he should be lynched.

[Mgm]

Amen, Shadow. We're damn close to an endgame and with two kills last night we can assume there's 2 scum and maybe an SK left. We need all the info we can get lynching wrong or not lynch at all could very well be the last thing we do.

Out with it, Coron!

[mathcam]

Ditto Shadow and Mgm.

Cam

[Coron]

Explain to me exactly what you want?
Full claim?(I'm still not going to nameclaim but I could see roleclaim)
something else?

[mathcam]

Well, you've created an aura of mystery around yourself and your role. If there's a reason for that, say so. If there's anything that will make your utter refusal to reveal anything about your role seem more reasonable, then by all means, speak up. I, for one, am curious as to whether or not you ahve the ability to sway the outcome of a duel.

Cam

[Coron]

I indeed with admit to having an ability to sway many duels i'm involved in as long as I don't initiate it.