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Some people seem a little confused.

I am town.

Also I actually am feeling Andrius scum now too

That Huge wall he just wrote said NOTHING.

@Fennin/BB: Please don't claim, I understand that I was being narrow minded about the crumb thing and I think I get it now. I suggest other people follow suit and let him live, which sucks for me because he was the most likely counter wagon to my own lynch.

However,
I would like to encourage the exploration of a Peregrine lynch. I went back and looked at his ISO since the crash and it is awful and then I went back and looked at his archive posts and realized that they were, for the most part equally poor. I know Peregrine to be a better player than what he's put into this game which leads me to believe he is not committed to actually scum hunting here in this game.

I'll post more detailed points shortly.

@Mod: Please delete above post. I tried multiquoting and it failed. It just posted the bundle before letting me even comment. On top of that the formatting is wrong and it makes it appear I'm voting when I'm not.

btw, heading to Scotland for 10 days tomorrow, there should be wi-fi but it tends to be slow and unreliable, I should be able to keep up on reading but won't be able to post as much

Peregrine Post-Crash ISO:

ISO #0: Ohhh, hooray for double RVS. This is majorly suspect. A) This is not the beginning of the game and there are hundreds of posts to analyze, B) You know who likes to over-RVS?

ISO #1: Four days between posts and all we get is another "Promise Post"? No motivation to actually find scum.

ISO #2: Just pointing out that he was notified that the day was started. Keep in mind that this was as MoI was pushing for the Sland lynch based on him not posting and saying that he was not notified the day had started. The only reason I see for this post is to instigate more suspicion on Sland. It's also ironic because at this point Peregrine has basically contributed less than Sland since the restart.

ISO #3: Huge OMGUS on me after I vote him. He also says that I misrepped him ignoring my EBWOP minutes after my original post. He even admits to not saying anything since the crash.

ISO #4: Duplicate post of above

ISO #5: Realizes how scummy ISO #3 was and immediately changes his vote to Fennin. He says I am second tier, whatever that is supposed to mean.

ISO #6: Changes his vote to Fennin's replacement and FoSes Midnight and me, but gives no reasoning to support any of this.

ISO #7: MoI called Peregrine out on ISO #6 and demanded reasons. Peregrine's response was "Early arguments with WC made him suspect, but less so now". So Peregrine, who keep in mind just OMGUS voted me, says I was scummy in the old thread, but not so much in the new one. He just called me scum in ISO #3 and FoSed me in ISO #6. He then says that he didn't like Shadow's posts in the old thread. This has no logic attached, just "I didn't like it". He says that Fennin's breadcrumb of Yoda has not been explained to his satisfaction. This implies two things, A) Fennin is scum because he breadcrumbed Yoda, and B) He would like more details on Yoda's role, aka rolefishing. I know at one point I felt the same way regarding A, but I'm pretty sure I get it now and don't think BB is scum, which makes me suspicious of Peregrine's continuous push against him for "The Crumb" and not the other things that Kdub has pointed out.

ISO #8: When BB responds with, "Why's his bread crumb matter?" Peregrine continues to try to subtly draw out role information.

ISO #9: Peregrine continues to push the crumb-scum case, which I understand now can be severely flawed. I suspect other people had caught on faster than I did, but I don't like how lockjawed in this Peregrine has been.

ISO #10: For some reason Peregrine addresses this to MoI and posts a link to the archive, but basically this is another "Promise Post".

ISO #11: Yet another "Promise Post"


ISO #

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

^Take huge note of this, my PM only has one name. This is possibly a scumslip.

Unless anyone else has a role and role name, which if they do they should speak up.

You know what

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

Sometimes voting the obvious is best.

MoI
Peregrine
Andrius
BBMolla (= Fennin)

At most 1 of {MoI, BBMolla} are scum.

Hello all. I've just read up from the post-crash on, I'll get to the precrash when I can.

ooba strikes me as the scummiest player so far. His list of town and scum players is next to useless because there's very little reasoning. He voted WC, unvoted, and voted WC again which strikes me as someone who isn't actually paying attention and is just being opportunistic. He puts more effort into reiterating things that have been said and being helpful than scumhunting.

VOTE: ooba

Formal salutations! I'm replacing Kurtis, who in his short time here before the Tiger attack managed to not say much. I should be able to be more articulate and active, if nothing else.

I've given the game a once over, and my general conclusion is that MoI might need the title of The Shepherd, as he generally seems to say what I'm thinking while being exceedingly followable, making me look like a sheep. I didn't think Slandaar was too scummy until the 1v1 discussion began. I'm 85% sure he's scum, and the remaining 15% says that if he's town, I try to avoid playing with people with his angry posting style. I'm also interested in PeregrineV and BBMolla for their flavor discussions and SleepyKrew for general uselessness.

My main point is dissent is WrathChild. Long summary posts and not being too strong on the opinions and judgements while players are recovering from a crash doesn't seem scummy to me. I shall have to look again at the remainder of the case on WC.

Before I vote, however;

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Kdub, MagnaofIllusion, brizingre1, ooba (L-8)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, Slandaar (L-10)

BBmolla

- PeregrineV, 4nxi3ty (L-10)

Elmo Teh Azn

- NeroCain (L-10)

ooba-

splitfarvle (L-10)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

Thank you kindly, DeathNote.
VOTE: Slandaar

↑ Slandaar wrote:Some people seem a little confused.

I am town.

Also I actually am feeling Andrius scum now too

That Huge wall he just wrote said NOTHING.

"Oh, fuck it, I am so alone in calling Shadow and Magna scum, so let's whine a bit more and try to change direction, Andrius just posted 'nothing'!!!" Sounds a lot like your vote on malee and I have to ask you the same here: Define "nothing", are you just unable to comprehend people talking to you or are you willingly overlooking that he definitely gave reads and explanations, which is definitely more than what you are doing? And also (again): Did he do something that was actually <i>scummy</i> in your eyes or is this just another empty accusation?

WC, if you were trying to respond to me in that big post, I'm not reading it until you fix those quote tags.

I have an opinion on the Peregrine "slip" and some subsequent reactions to it, but I'll wait until he answers the question about his role name to share.

And for some reason I seem to be not voting... And why isn't there a big fat lynch waggon on slandaar yet?



Magna made a lot of a very sheepable case against him already, even more than I would ever care to make normally. But I might get nitpicky and point out some more things when I have time if this waggon isn't getting momentum still.

So I just realized why I hate rereading this game so much, and it's because there are no avatars saved in the cache. So I'm gonna put in avatars and reread.

Shit never mind doesn't work, the image cache refreshes each page.

Damnit.

ok, sorry guys..
juggling a few things ...(3 games and work has me doing stupid quarterly reviews.)
did some more reading on the reboot. Up to page 7.
here's what i have:
#49 slandaar weak attacks malee as scum for replacing out
post# 54 - 65 argument between Slan and Iece about whether or not Slandaar is lying about knowing the game restarted seems forced to me.
and lol at 2 more pages of arguing about whether or not Slandaar knew the game restarted.
Magna seems to be pushing way too hard on the Slandaar reboot. Although I think it's weird when Slan (after going at it with Magna)suddenly backs off and targets ShadowDancer in #101
lol @ Slandaar# 136

Slandaar wrote:Scum are more likely to take her side because it is in principle the 'right' side. They are not going to go out on a limb on my side.

that absolutely makes no sense? If you join the "right side of the cause" you are scum!
ugh...this is awful...
i should be able to finish the rest of the reboot and be fully caught up by tomorrow.at which time i'll throw a vote down

so to summarize, Slandaar is still in my ugly group..Kurtis has yet to reappear so i'll leave him there as well...and nothing has changed with Fennin...

SoO is town.

SoO, I am the new Kurtis. A pleasure to make your acquaintance and all that. I took a slight peek at the cache'd game, but the lack of ISO ability makes trying to find what Kurtis said among the clutter rough. I'd prefer to look at who is playing now rather than try to sort through replacements in the cache as well. From what I can see, Kurtis had an issue understanding that crumbing one's role name in a DeathNote game is inherently scummy.

↑ Shmugen wrote:SoO, I am the new Kurtis. A pleasure to make your acquaintance and all that. I took a slight peek at the cache'd game, but the lack of ISO ability makes trying to find what Kurtis said among the clutter rough. I'd prefer to look at who is playing now rather than try to sort through replacements in the cache as well. From what I can see, Kurtis had an issue understanding that crumbing one's role name in a DeathNote game is inherently scummy.

^scum.

Town has zero reason to care what former them said unless specifically asked.

Cute, BBMolla, but I have a mith-given right to explain myself, especially considering you had me on a scumlist for what Kurtis had said back in what was likely February. Which would you have called me scum for first, I wonder, mentioning my predecessor or 'ignoring' your scumtell on me.

Bro I haven't even been in the game for more than a week, what are you talking about.

Why does it matter what Kurtis said?

Great. I didn't scroll up enough and somehow thought SoO's post was yours. I'll take the Dunce Cap for the day.

It shouldn't matter at all what Kurtis said, but as I have his slot, the responsibility is on my shoulders.