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[jasonT1981]

Vote count coming, when I get home from work this evening.

[Korlash]

Why didn’t you hammer me then if you are ‘disappointed’ I wasn’t lynched? You had plenty of chance to do so.

To put it bluntly, I am disappointed in retrospect, not "I was disappointed at the time". I didn't think you were scum enough to deserve the lynch so hammering you was never an option. Looking back at it, I do see merit in you having been lynched, thus feel disappointment in it not happening. But that feeling equates to me ordering a large cheese pizza and then wishing I had ordered Black Olives on it while eating. I'm disappointed sure, but my life is hardly ruined.

Savy?

[MagnaofIllusion]

To put it bluntly, I am disappointed in retrospect, not "I was disappointed at the time". I didn't think you were scum enough to deserve the lynch so hammering you was never an option. Looking back at it, I do see merit in you having been lynched, thus feel disappointment in it not happening. But that feeling equates to me ordering a large cheese pizza and then wishing I had ordered Black Olives on it while eating. I'm disappointed sure, but my life is hardly ruined.

Savy?

No. What merit do you see in retrospect to me being lynched?

[Benmage]

Well I need a new dunce cap for that twice failed reference.

Anyways ill do some sort of response, later.

Korlash do you think MoI calling scum in two groups significantly different than what pappums said?

And as far as my vote. Its on scum. There's likely two otherscum it could go on...but I need to go iso everyone not you or MoI.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well I need a new dunce cap for that twice failed reference.

Anyways ill do some sort of response, later.

And as far as my vote. Its on scum. There's likely two otherscum it could go on...but I need to go iso everyone not you or MoI.

Oh, so you not once but twice called me scum and used completely wrong references to do so. Very Pro-Town ...

And keep 'Appealing to Repetition' that's also scummy.

[Benmage]

MoI, I have no issue with answering questions, and being analytical. I love that shit.

I don't like unnecessary quips or false statements. I never "refused " to illustrate the supernatural reference. I just hadn't yet.

Two different things. You can say I still have failed to demonstrate xxx, which would be valid. But saying I "refused " is what I call purposeful undermining. Anywhose ill delve later.

[Benmage]

Well I need a new dunce cap for that twice failed reference.

Anyways ill do some sort of response, later.

And as far as my vote. Its on scum. There's likely two otherscum it could go on...but I need to go iso everyone not you or MoI.

Oh, so you not once but twice called me scum and used completely wrong references to do so. Very Pro-Town ...

And keep 'Appealing to Repetition' that's also scummy.

protown..... so being scum and making mistakes equate to he samething..... that's news to me.

[Benmage]

What repetition was I doin?

[Benmage]

^oh, calling scum, scum.... welcome to Mafia.

[Korlash]

No. What merit do you see in retrospect to me being lynched?

For starters the guy I'm iffy on would be dead making the game easier to read for me, I would have your wagon to look at with your flip and given all the circumstance surrounding it I do kinda wish I had that, It would reduce the number of 'wall' posts in the game considerably which not only makes it easier for everyone it removes some of the 'omg I can't read the game blah blah blah' people can and are posting at the moment.

I can keep going but it all gets kinda boring from here. I respect Ben as a player and want to use him as an asset but he'll most likely keep his vote on you like forever so with you dead that frees him up to move his vote. (and attention) if he's town I want that to make my life easier and if he's scum I want that so I can fucking nail him. [that may... have came out wrong...]

None of it is stuff I can't live without, but I obviously feel some disappointment that the game didn't go that way.

Korlash do you think MoI calling scum in two groups significantly different than what pappums said?

... I... don't... know...

Can you be more specific about what you are talking about?

[Benmage]

I think that came out how you meant it.

Yes, I have been altogether too consumed with MoI, and it has been a detriment to the rest of my game.

And I'd bet a bagillion dollars there's scum hiding with the burdensome walls.

Also, I mentioned MoI does this fully engrossed thing. He did to glork in scummiest winvitational. Glork called him out, and rightfully so for giving glork and easy veil to hide behind. He's doing the same to me. If he genuinely thought me scum he'd be conscise. He'd ask others their opinions, and why they didn't see me as scum.

No, MoI is content to let this veil go on forever.

[PeregrineV]

I think there is at least 1 scum in Benmage / Fate and probably at least 1 scum in pappums / Yates.

I like this... I like this a lot... Add Pere to the rat/yates pool and put one of Drmy and Pizza as a possible third and I'm all over that.

Fate jump from MOI to Yates doesn't fill me with warm happy feelings. Neither does his jump to Pizza. From one wagon to the next, I never pegged you for the follower mate, I thought you liked to lead the town to places.

A hypothetical is never true at the time it is a hypothetical, semantically or otherwise. If it were true, then it would be a fact.

Thank you. You just agreed with my point. you did ask MOI to give reads based on untrue information.

I disagree. Reads are not always based on tangible things. To wit:

Yes they are. It's impossible to have reads based on intangible things, otherwise it can't be a 'read'.

And I asked MoI for his reads based on the fact if he were lynched. It's common for town to leave thoughts, etc. behind, even on day1, even on page whatever. Your argument that "it's in the future, how will he ever know" makes no sense.

And yes you did take liberties, and you are now saying that someone can't give reads based on things that might happen? "If I die tonight, here are my reads." That is hypothetical , and yet is done very often.

It's pro-town to give reads BEFORE things happened. I asked MoI for his HYPOTHETICAL death post, that he would give BEFORE he died.

You arguing against him doing any such thing like you did in post 225 makes me wonder why.

So, why?

1) "If I die tonight" isn't something to base a read off of, that's impossible. You are basing your read off of what happened during the day, not the kill itself. Being killed at night is just the excuse to give the reads, not the basis of those reads. Keep your crap analogies out of my game.

2) Giving reads before something happened is helpful, and if you had to group it it would fall under the 'town' category but it's not a hard on 'pro-town' move. Not doing it does not make you scum and regardless of if you ever said the word 'scum' or not that was clearly your implication in post 195. Add in the fact this 'request' was a hidden threat AND that you demanded him to answer you based on untrue information and this push about how 'pro-town' he isn't being just screams scum on your part.

3) What I did in 225 and what you asked MOI to do are not the same. If you had simply asked MOI "What are your reads" then they would be the same. But you fabricated a situation and specifically asked him for reads based on that situation.

Semantics. You got to love them.

And that seals the deal I'm afraid.

Unvote:, Vote: Pere

It's one thing to believe in something that is wrong, we all make mistakes. It's another thing to be told you are wrong and to REFUSE to reevaluate your case. The entire 'scum tell' was based on a slip that I just proved had other possible reasons yet you call it 'semantics'. You're scum reaching for a reason against MOI and calling the presence of a 'third game' semantics in this discussion is proof of that.

In addition to that, your failure at the start of this post to keep on track with the 'hypothetical' discussion by actually arguing against your original stance proves this isn't a real discussion for you, A townie keeps his stance during discussions and a scum simply argues against his opponent.

I'd add in your implications about him being anti-town for not answering you but sadly my assumptions about your implications don't amount to much in the way of a case. I'll stick to the other two.

I would vote Rat for his 277 if Pere didn't deserve it better. The calling Drmy's case 'good' followed by irrelevant drivel and a constant use of the word 'fluff' and the latter 'if one flips town the other will flip scum' red flag. His MOI stuff makes me suspicious of him although I have to admit I'm a little wishy washy on him as well. (just with an opposite conclusion) I just don't get why he feels as strongly as he does over MOI yet hops onto Pizza based entirely on Drmy's case. (His pointless drivel didn't add anything of value)

If there is any call for a Rat wagon I'll hop over but until then I like where my vote's parked now.

Korlash takes liberties, while PeregrineV lies.
Korlash keeps his stance, while PeregrineV argues his opponent.
Korlash asks for reads, PeregrineV demands and threatens for reads.
Korlash is scum, PeregrineV is town.

Damn, your good.

Should have kept your vote on scum.

Unovte. Vote: Korlash

[Benmage]

Korlash , MoI said there is scum in benmage and fate and scum in pappums and Yates.

Is that different than pappums saying MoI and Yates are of opposite alignments.....

MoI is accusing pappums of setting up mislynches.

[PeregrineV]

@MoI- Do you mean these?

Peregrine wrote:

I have been, but nothing's been clear how you can make Jason hold off flipping you once you've been lynched.

1. Ok, a better question would have been have you been reading AND applying critical reasoning to what you are reasoning? Because there is clearly enough in the thread posted by myself and others for you to draw the conclusion as to why I think that.

Peregrine wrote:

Does that matter? I'm debating whether to hammer, but the result would still be the same regardless of who hammers.

2. Summarize why you have hammered me in a short paragraph please.

Peregrine wrote:

Yates has a point.

What is it? That I was scum opening with a ‘Last to Confirm’ RVS vote there just like Feast of Crows which kicked off the whole line of discussion?

1. If I hammered you, and Jason posted you as dead before you got back to the thread, you would not be able to post anymore. Thus, you would be unable to post what I was asking for. If you feel this statement is incorrect (it's a hypothetical, so it may be tricky), then you will have to explain, because nothing I read in the thread would indicate to me that you would not die.
If there is, then instead of this whole ...thing...., you could have merely given your reads as requested.

2. Sure. Generally, when I play with you, you scumhunt across the board. You annoy everybody and nitpick all sorts of shit. But, it gives you a town vibe.
This time, that town vibe was missing. And apparently not just with me, but 6 other players also felt that way, because you were at L-1 way fast. And, your resulting posts from it showed way more agitation and abrasiveness that it seemed outside your normal posting parameters (ie flailing). That was another warning sign to me.
And, you, as town, have absolutely no problem analyzing votes and wagons. So, my request to you to do so on your own wagon, instead of being met with an actual response, was resisted. The third warning that doesn't align with town-MoI.
And now, while granted I haven't fully caught up to the end of the thread, town-MoI would be all over Korlash white-knighting him and his posts.
This would be a fourth, but I withhold it for now in case you did tear him a new one and I just haven't gotten to it yet.

3. That you said "I was scum there also." I addressed this here.

[PeregrineV]

So sorry been my computer died a little but all fixed now, will be back with a post after catching up tomorrow.

For the record I see this excuse (re technical issues like dead computer or internet outage) much every game I play in. Either MS causes complete undo stress on computers, the players on the site or universally unlucky, or it is being used by scum as a means of explaining disappearances.

I'm starting to keep track of it from this point on in a QT for my personal edification.

If you get a chance, can you also keep track of the post counts at the days end? I'm gathering statistics on scum vs town posting, since I really do think lurking is done more by scum than town overall.

[PeregrineV]

TL/DR

Its very frustrating debating with MoI because it de-evolves into this walls vs walls.

Its why I made a nice clear list as to why MoI is scum. And those points are still valid.

This wall v wall of fact proving and e-peen stroking is a complete drain. MoI thrives for this shit. He talks big, posturing, says a lot of untrue negative shit my way, like I'm 'inconsistent', and 'illogical', or 'purposely avoiding' or 'making things up' but its all bullshit. Then I drain myself fixing his errors, and he nitpicking-ly moves on and attacks the next snidbit.

He's scum, and should've been hammered on pg 6.

Yes, so now we get to look at who never was on the MoI wagon, AND who left it, and why.

[MagnaofIllusion]

protown..... so being scum and making mistakes equate to he samething..... that's news to me.

Well welcome to the Burden of Proficiency Ben – I don’t think you are bad enough a player to make those sort of clearly incorrect mistakes as Town.

But as scum looking to get my mislynch? That I could buy.

^oh, calling scum, scum.... welcome to being attacked by a Mafia member

I fixed that for you.

Also, I mentioned MoI does this fully engrossed thing. He did to glork in scummiest winvitational. Glork called him out, and rightfully so for giving glork and easy veil to hide behind. He's doing the same to me. If he genuinely thought me scum he'd be conscise. He'd ask others their opinions, and why they didn't see me as scum.

Bad on two fronts.

1. You seem to suggest I don’t post copiously and attack my scum reads as Town in the same manner which is clearly incorrect.
2. I’m certainly addressing more players than you. You trying to frame it as if I’m not is scummy.

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For starters the guy I'm iffy on would be dead making the game easier to read for me, I would have your wagon to look at with your flip and given all the circumstance surrounding it I do kinda wish I had that, It would reduce the number of 'wall' posts in the game considerably which not only makes it easier for everyone it removes some of the 'omg I can't read the game blah blah blah' people can and are posting at the moment.

I can keep going but it all gets kinda boring from here. I respect Ben as a player and want to use him as an asset but he'll most likely keep his vote on you like forever so with you dead that frees him up to move his vote. (and attention) if he's town I want that to make my life easier and if he's scum I want that so I can fucking nail him. [that may... have came out wrong...

1. If you were iffy on me you should have hammered me. No reason not to unless you were worried that you strong shift from taking on my attackers to hammering me with no prior warning would earn you a bullet in the skull.
2. I’ll keep in mind to not play with you again if you are one of those whiners regarding wall posting. Mafia is a game of written communication.
3. No please go on. I’ve seen not one Pro-Town reason listed. Your ‘I like Benmage and want to use him as an asset’ is noted. Actually I think I need to go read Mafia Invictus to see how you treated Scum-Benmage there as Town.

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1. If I hammered you, and Jason posted you as dead before you got back to the thread, you would not be able to post anymore. Thus, you would be unable to post what I was asking for. If you feel this statement is incorrect (it's a hypothetical, so it may be tricky), then you will have to explain, because nothing I read in the thread would indicate to me that you would not die.

Yes you are incorrect and the reason why has been posted directly in thread by multiple players. That’s all I’ll say on the issue.

2. Sure. Generally, when I play with you, you scumhunt across the board. You annoy everybody and nitpick all sorts of shit. But, it gives you a town vibe.
This time, that town vibe was missing. And apparently not just with me, but 6 other players also felt that way, because you were at L-1 way fast. And, your resulting posts from it showed way more agitation and abrasiveness that it seemed outside your normal posting parameters (ie flailing). That was another warning sign to me.
And, you, as town, have absolutely no problem analyzing votes and wagons. So, my request to you to do so on your own wagon, instead of being met with an actual response, was resisted. The third warning that doesn't align with town-MoI.

Ok your reasons are –

1. Missing a Town vibe. A completely un-contestable statement that I can’t do anything about.
2. Other people wagonning me – well this actually should be a big warning sign to you that my wagon was terrible. I’ve only been lynched as Town on Day 1. In fact I don’t remember the last time I was lynched as scum other than when I directly outed myself (for example American Gods Mafia where I quickhammered twice and claimed scum directly in thread the next day). So what you call a warning sign is actually pretty compelling evidence that my wagon was scum-driven.
3. Please link me to a game where I’ve done wagon analysis BEFORE any flips have happened.

3. That you said "I was scum there also." I addressed this here.

And your stance has been blown up given you ignored the context – Ben was asking me for games where I opened like I did in Feast (where I was scum) and the only one I found (aside from here where I am Town) was Tit for Tat where I was also scum.

Are you sticking to your stance that is scummy?

[Korlash]

I think that came out how you meant it.

Maybe... >.>

Korlash takes liberties, while PeregrineV lies.
Korlash keeps his stance, while PeregrineV argues his opponent.
Korlash asks for reads, PeregrineV demands and threatens for reads.
Korlash is scum, PeregrineV is town.

Damn, your good.

Should have kept your vote on scum.

Unovte. Vote: Korlash

So... instead of arguing my points you post some irrelevant observations and some made up shit and vote me? Kay.

Korlash , MoI said there is scum in benmage and fate and scum in pappums and Yates.

Is that different than pappums saying MoI and Yates are of opposite alignments.....

MoI is accusing pappums of setting up mislynches.

You can't really argue what MOI said is anything close to 'setting up mislynches'. If anything, it's structured reads. MAYBE, his plan is to set up a string of lynches, but there is no indication of that. Pappums outright talked about one flipping town then other will flip scum, that is physically setting up a second lynch.

Given what I remember about MOI's statements about his scum 'pairings', it is a stretch to claim he was setting up lynches, so I don't think it's a particularly valid point.

1. If you were iffy on me you should have hammered me. No reason not to unless you were worried that you strong shift from taking on my attackers to hammering me with no prior warning would earn you a bullet in the skull.
2. I’ll keep in mind to not play with you again if you are one of those whiners regarding wall posting. Mafia is a game of written communication.
3. No please go on. I’ve seen not one Pro-Town reason listed. Your ‘I like Benmage and want to use him as an asset’ is noted. Actually I think I need to go read Mafia Invictus to see how you treated Scum-Benmage there as Town.

1. I'm not up for hammering people I'm 'iffy' on, if you disagree with that... well I try not to judge other people's wrong opinions. And if you know me at all you know I don't give a shit how I look for doing things because I can talk my way out of anything. If I had wanted to switch my vote to you, you know I could have done it.

2. Dude I'm part of the wall posters, I'm here to play and I know this game takes reading skills. I have no problem with walls, BUT I don't like how many people are skirting by 'whining' about them. Town are being lazy thus hurting my chances of winning and scum are given a free ride making me have to work harder. I may be a selfish asshole, but I have no problem with walls.

3. Pro-town reason listed for what? I said I was disappointed in something, why does my alignment have to factor into it? And I hold Ben to the same standards I hold you, if you're town you're going to contribute something tangible, and if you're scum you'll eventually out yourself. You may have to remind me about this Invictus game because I don't seem to remember it. Was it recent?

I will note the change here. I mentioned I had partial regrets with your lynch falling through and you suddenly jump down my throat. Their point about you calling anyone who attacks you scum while ignoring those who seem to be on your side seems to have been proven.

[PeregrineV]

@MoI-
1. You're not expected to. I have to read your posts and decide if you are scum or town. I can't rely solely on vibes.
2. Yet you were reluctant to analyze it. That's what I don't get. You are saying it's scum driven, so of the seven voting you and the rest, my question was who was scum and why. I was asking for an elaboration of your answer here.
3. I wasn't asking for analysis based on other peoples alignments. I was asking for analysis based on their reason for voting you or not voting you, or any other reason you would have wanted to mention.

As for the reason you wouldn't die, what I saw (bomb or vengeful or something along those lines) I don't believe, because warning people you think are scum doesn't make sense as town. If it's something else, then I did miss it, and just won't consider it in trying to figure if you are town or scum.

Apparently affc afaict idk refers to affc. Full game names work better for me.

@Korlash- You want me to argue your points? No thank you, I'll keep my stance instead.

[Korlash]

@Korlash- You want me to argue your points? No thank you, I'll keep my stance instead.

So you admit if you had to discuss them you would end up changing your stance. Awesome. Is this because your stance is faked or is there some other reason you aren't able to hold it?

How about arguing your own points, like for instance explaining what makes me scum other than the fact I called you scum. That seems like a reasonable course of action.

[MagnaofIllusion]

1. I'm not up for hammering people I'm 'iffy' on, if you disagree with that... well I try not to judge other people's wrong opinions. And if you know me at all you know I don't give a shit how I look for doing things because I can talk my way out of anything. If I had wanted to switch my vote to you, you know I could have done it.

I actually don’t know you that well Korlash. Given this is,what, our second full game together? That said – it’s much easier to talk your way out of a lynch than a bullet between the eyes Especially when I am holding the gun.

2. Dude I'm part of the wall posters, I'm here to play and I know this game takes reading skills. I have no problem with walls, BUT I don't like how many people are skirting by 'whining' about them. Town are being lazy thus hurting my chances of winning and scum are given a free ride making me have to work harder. I may be a selfish asshole, but I have no problem with walls.

Well this is where we disgress. Because it would never occur to me to read someone saying “I don’t like Walls” and then go “Hmmm … maybe I should have hammered that iffy player who posts Walls just to make the game simpler for the whiners”. To each their own, I guess.

3. Pro-town reason listed for what? I said I was disappointed in something, why does my alignment have to factor into it? And I hold Ben to the same standards I hold you, if you're town you're going to contribute something tangible, and if you're scum you'll eventually out yourself. You may have to remind me about this Invictus game because I don't seem to remember it. Was it recent?

I will note the change here. I mentioned I had partial regrets with your lynch falling through and you suddenly jump down my throat. Their point about you calling anyone who attacks you scum while ignoring those who seem to be on your side seems to have been proven.

Korlash feel free to conclude whatever you want. I actually haven’t called everyone who attacks me scum but I’m not wasting time going back and forth about that. Peregrine is correct – I hate buddying and it isn’t in my nature to just let someone go by all day without poking and prodding at them even if I think they are Town. Despite what others may claim is my opinion I know I’m far from a perfect scum-hunter.

As to Invictus here’s the link – it’s been awhile. But when I go back to that game I realized you were scum with Benmage so that possible line of meta is out the window. BTW – you were playing as Ban there.

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1. You're not expected to. I have to read your posts and decide if you are scum or town. I can't rely solely on vibes.
2. Yet you were reluctant to analyze it. That's what I don't get. You are saying it's scum driven, so of the seven voting you and the rest, my question was who was scum and why. I was asking for an elaboration of your answer here.
3. I wasn't asking for analysis based on other peoples alignments. I was asking for analysis based on their reason for voting you or not voting you, or any other reason you would have wanted to mention.

1. Well listing it as a reason you suspect me as scum means I’m going to address it. I don’t roll over and say “Oh, it’s gut that’s perfect ok with me”.
2. Again – doing it on your time-table when you actually hadn’t committed to making it a factual event by hammering wasn’t very high on my priority list. I’d rather spend my time scum-hunting each player’s full behavior not just wagon placement.
3. This still doesn’t answer the question – you indicating that you find it unusual that I haven’t done a wagon analysis when there are no flips. I don’t do that so my reason for wanting links is to examine why you think I would.

[Korlash]

I actually don’t know you that well Korlash. Given this is,what, our second full game together? That said – it’s much easier to talk your way out of a lynch than a bullet between the eyes Especially when I am holding the gun.

Sorry what? Oh that whole vengeful thing? I wasn't even actually paying attention to that. If I hammer someone, I'm willing to die for it so that wouldn't scare me off.

Well this is where we disgress. Because it would never occur to me to read someone saying “I don’t like Walls” and then go “Hmmm … maybe I should have hammered that iffy player who posts Walls just to make the game simpler for the whiners”. To each their own, I guess.

I never said "maybe I should have hammered" but I get what you mean. We can have a varying opinion here, I'm fine with that.

As to Invictus here’s the link – it’s been awhile. But when I go back to that game I realized you were scum with Benmage so that possible line of meta is out the window. BTW – you were playing as Ban there.

Ah yes, I was wondering if that was the game you were talking about. I had forgotten about Ban, explains why it wasn't in my bookmarks. Still, why would it be out the window? Can I not be scum with Ben here as well? I'm not, but I don't see why you've eliminated that possibility.

[PeregrineV]

@Korlash- You want me to argue your points? No thank you, I'll keep my stance instead.

So you admit if you had to discuss them you would end up changing your stance. Awesome. Is this because your stance is faked or is there some other reason you aren't able to hold it?

I don't have any, other than what I said. I was and am suspicious of MoI for the reasons I gave. This will change as I make a decision. Even then that decision may stay or change.

How about arguing your own points, like for instance explaining what makes me scum other than the fact I called you scum. That seems like a reasonable course of action.

Well, it seems like you like to argue for the sake of arguing. To the point of distracting from the ACTUAL argument, as you try to take ownership.
In addition, your arguing against a pro-town action (giving final reads).
Your pretty much defending why MoI isn't scum, while your suspects are Yates/me/Pappums (anyone who's said MoI is scummy).
In addition, you could have done the wagon analysis on MoI if you felt that way.
But you didn't.

Talk is great. But as you try to lead conversations down the path of inconsequentialness, it looks less like scumhunting and more like...scum.

[Yates]

See, I can't understand why you say stuff like this:

I never said "maybe I should have hammered" but I get what you mean.

We can have a varying opinion here

, I'm fine with that.

...when you said this:

I didn't think you were scum enough to deserve the lynch so hammering you was never an option.

Looking back at it, I do see merit in you having been lynched, thus feel disappointment in it not happening

.

The fact you didn't use those exact words does not remove the implied meaning. I'm sure you think you are being clever but instead you are fooling no one with your games and accomplishing nothing more than proving to be irritating and not much fun to play this game with.

[pappums rat]

Pappums says “Yates and MoI can’t be on the same team, if one flips Town the other MUST be scum”. It’s a false dichotomy. Why can’t we both be Town other than his just stating “MoI is scum”?

I on the other hand am saying that my reads indicate that I think there is scum to be found in the following groups of players. Not how I am further actually scum-hunting to determine alignment. Pappums is just laying down a statement as fact.

O RLY? YA CUZ I TOHT I SED:

I

doubt

that MoI and Yates are on the same team. I

think

if one flips town, the other will flip scum.

Wiktionary's definition for

doubt:

"To lack confidence in; to disbelieve, question, or suspect."
Wiktionary's definition(s) for

think:

"to ponder, to go over in one's head, To communicate to oneself in one's mind, to try to find a solution to a problem, to conceive of something or someone, To be of the opinion (that), to guess, to reckon, To consider, judge, regard, or look upon (something) as."

Yeah, I really said that one is definately town and the other is defiantely scum, didnt I?

Take a look at the last couple vote counts. MoI was put at L-1 and several people requested he claim, and there was intent to hammer. Nothing happened. Then he dropped to like 2-3 people voting him. There is no way in hell MoI is getting lynched today. On the other hand, drmyshotgun pointed out numerous points regarding pizza, and I figured since MoI isnt going to get lynched, my vote would be better served on a wagon that had momentum.

And it’s the second example of you jumping on a wagon with the sole-excuse of “I like Player X’s case” as your reasoning. You did it first with Benmage’s case when you jumped on my wagon. That’s scummy self-protection.

Regarding your @ pappums: Dont put words in my mouth and misrep me. I never said there were associative tells between you two. Neither of you have flipped yet, so I am not trying to make connections between you.

Way to dodge the point – you seem to try to avoid having scum-reads that make sense under the guise of “No-one has flipped”. You have called both Pizza and I scum. Do you think we make sense as scum together? If not which of us is more likely scum?

1. You have defended well, there is no doubt about it. You have had an answer for pretty much everything that has been put to you, and I would not expect anything less from a player of your caliber. The point I made about not addressing everything is that you havent commented on the point I made in #2:
2. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4004416 You didnt say anything about the game in question, you just brushed it off with your own single game point and called my post fluff.

What should I have commented on about that game? Here are your poinst –

1. That I was scum in a game? Ok.
2. That I argued with ReaperCharlie? How is this indicative of scum behavior? The point of Mafia is to find scum and argue to get them lynched. You carefully yourself dodged the point I made about Jason’s TV Mafia where I attacked your slot in the same fashion I attacked ReaperCharlie (calling each of you scum and trying to get you lynched) and I was Town. Why am I scummy for not acknowledging a point when you did the exact same thing?

3. LOL keep misrepping me MoI, you just dig your grave deeper and deeper. I was pointing out that not claiming is antitown and you are not an antitown player, I never said I voted you because of it. If you somehow are town, you are suffering from some serious confirmation bias.

1. ‘Appeal to Fear’ noted. Town who thinks they are talking to scum don’t say things like “You are digging your grave” in a manner that suggests I should stop scum-hunting you.
2. Please list the full reasons why you voted me in your own words. Don’t direct me to a post by someone else.

Oh wow, the old "lining up lynches" rhetoric.

Lining up lynches isn’t rhetoric. It’s exactly what you are doing and Town has no reason to do so. You've given no reason why Yates is the only person likely scum on my wagon. You just dropped down a "Hey, if either of these players flips Town the other must be scum".

Quote 1: I liked shotgun's reasoning

AND

pizza's reaction was terrible and scummy.
Quote 2: No, I dont avoid having scum reads, I avoid your baiting me into saying "I think you and Pizza are scumbuds" which is what you were trying to do. You both are scumreads of mine, but not associative scumreads. Once again, I will not answer whether or not you "make sense together" because there has been no flip, but my scumreads on both of you are pretty much equally strong.
Quote 3: What I was pointing out was that you heckled RC and stirred up shit to intentionally piss him off to make him an easy target (which you did very effectively) and you were doing something very similar with Fate and Benmage. In TV Mafia, you were not trying to get a rise out of me like you did with RC and with Fate and Benmage in this game.
Quote 4: I voted you because you are scum.
Quote 5: Yes it is rhetoric, and I never said Yates is the only person who could be scum on your wagon.

@Pappums: When did Korlash become null for you? Why?

When he decided he was going to spam the thread with semantic arguments that are going nowhere. He did this in a recent game as scum, but I think this is more of a playstyle thing than a scum-driven thing tbh.

BTW I am done with the walls and quote strip back and forth. I am not going to partake in miring this game in unreadable monster wall posts. If you have something you want me to respond to, do so in a succinct question sans wall plox.