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I have to review a few things. As of now, I am not interested in lynching Leonshade; I'll have to mull on things a bit to see if I would ever support a Cheery Dog lynch.

The alternative explanation is that the guy holding both slots was an idiot. Considering he was a cheater, I do not feel the least bad thinking unflattering thoughts about the way his mind works.

The RedRabbit kill is interesting, taking into account that I was eyeing him as a potential suspect for the way he was (without checking, this is from memory) too eagerly following me around with a strong voice. This means I have to review things in full.

I think there's a lot of merit to the idea of our cheater being an idiot. I'm not sure how to analyze his actions. This game is a mess.

Also, happy birthday, CD.

Fuck dammit TIERCE is your IC?

I am. Time goes by so fast~

Are you scum, Great Cult Leader?

Yep.

No, wait, I'm not, sorry. But I am reading. You all should feel bad about your early pages and bullshit theory discussion.

Welp i am confused with this game at this point :S

I have to agree if he had to rely on multiple slots that him possibly being slow wouldn't be the furthest from my mind.

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:Since Delta flipped town, I will now be assuming that it is a buldermar/leonshade scum team.
This could explain the the jumps onto bulder's slot from both leon's and my slots.
In that they were wanting a quick town win.

but if it looked like a scum win why wouldn't they go for that

My main theory is this person was a whack-job had 2 slots and did what he could to screw the game, that may not be right, not overly caring at this point.

But i'm kinda confused with the kill, Tierce is leading the charge mostly in this game so most scum would have likely killed her (not to mention she is the IC that is like newb kill central) yet she is still alive, which makes me concerned for 3 reasons
1) The obv-town read on my slot may not be from experience but a mix of experience and prior knowledge
2) That she lead a lynch on Delta, even though she said it was more likely to be scum in CD/Leon
3) Is steering as far away from a CD/Leon lynch in her recent posting.

All this makes me think that the scum are in CD/Leon/Tierce, cause Tierce would then have reason to steer lynches away from the 2 slots.

With all that crap out, i am somewhat confident in this vote

↑ Tierce wrote:The alternative explanation is that the guy holding both slots was an idiot. Considering he was a cheater, I do not feel the least bad thinking unflattering thoughts about the way his mind works.

I don't see why this explanation is alternative.

↑ Tierce wrote:The RedRabbit kill is interesting, taking into account that I was eyeing him as a potential suspect for the way he was (without checking, this is from memory) too eagerly following me around with a strong voice. This means I have to review things in full.

Could you provide quotes of his supposed following you around?

↑ Leonshade wrote:I think there's a lot of merit to the idea of our cheater being an idiot. I'm not sure how to analyze his actions. This game is a mess.

Isn't cheating idiotic in the first place? I'd be more surprised if someone argued that he is a genius.

↑ Xalxe wrote:You all should feel bad about your early pages and bullshit theory discussion.

You should feel bad for your bullshit attitude as a replacement in this game.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Leonshade wrote:I think there's a lot of merit to the idea of our cheater being an idiot. I'm not sure how to analyze his actions. This game is a mess.

Isn't cheating idiotic in the first place? I'd be more surprised if someone argued that he is a genius.

There's a difference between cheating in an attempt to win and... whatever he did. I'm not sure we can know what he was trying to do. Was he going for a town win or a scum win? Was he just doing stuff for kicks?

I'm having a hard time getting a read on anyone simply due to the nature of this game. It's like D1 except we can afford one mislynch less.

↑ JasonWazza wrote:But i'm kinda confused with the kill, Tierce is leading the charge mostly in this game so most scum would have likely killed her (not to mention she is the IC that is like newb kill central) yet she is still alive, which makes me concerned for 3 reasons
1) The obv-town read on my slot may not be from experience but a mix of experience and prior knowledge
2) That she lead a lynch on Delta, even though she said it was more likely to be scum in CD/Leon
3) Is steering as far away from a CD/Leon lynch in her recent posting.

All this makes me think that the scum are in CD/Leon/Tierce, cause Tierce would then have reason to steer lynches away from the 2 slots.

I think you're missing the fact that if we have a doc, Tierce is an ideal target, making her a less ideal target to hit as scum (essentially it becomes WIFOM). Other than that, I tend to agree that it 1) could be indicate of a priori knowledge, 2) is worrying that her main focus was on Delta when it could have been on either of CD/Leon instead (I blame myself, though, for not following up on this before the Delta lynch), 3) is odd with the recent steering away from a CD/Leon lynch in recent posts when she explicitly stated that "if I'm lynched and should Delta flip town, lynch either of CD/Leon next". Tierce, I'd like your comment on 3) please.

↑ Leonshade wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ Leonshade wrote:I think there's a lot of merit to the idea of our cheater being an idiot. I'm not sure how to analyze his actions. This game is a mess.

Isn't cheating idiotic in the first place? I'd be more surprised if someone argued that he is a genius.

There's a difference between cheating in an attempt to win and... whatever he did. I'm not sure we can know what he was trying to do. Was he going for a town win or a scum win? Was he just doing stuff for kicks?

I'm having a hard time getting a read on anyone simply due to the nature of this game. It's like D1 except we can afford one mislynch less.

No there is not, because all three slots that he controlled can never win. Knowing that at least one slot must lose, which do you find most likely: him trying to win with 0 slots (e.g. trying to lose with all 3), 1 slot or 2 slots?

↑ Leonshade wrote:There's a difference between cheating in an attempt to win and... whatever he did. I'm not sure we can know what he was trying to do. Was he going for a town win or a scum win? Was he just doing stuff for kicks?

That's my problem. I tried to apply logic to it, but with a Town flip from Deltabacon, I don't know anymore.

buldermar--I'll address your stuff asap, I'm exhausted today. Mostly, from memory, it was about RebRabbit's vote patterns; he seemed incisive about the people I was already being incisive about. It felt somewhat like overkill. Regarding Leonshade/Cheery Dog, I did say I'd have to reassess things Today should Deltabacon flip Town.


Jason: Hi. Yes, I'm the IC and I'm alive. In case you didn't notice, I led what turned out to be a mislynch yesterday. It's no surprise I am alive because of that and because scum might have feared a blocked kill (PEdit: There you go). Can't argue that line of thought further since I'm not in their minds; what I can do is analyze RedRabbit's death instead. Which I'll do when my bed isn't singing like a siren.

This game is problematic in that we went into night with more than three experienced players. That pretty much does away with the "one of the SEs is scum" idea, since a good chunk of you have experience regardless of your slot's.

I'm rambling. I really need sleep, I flipped my sleep schedule around last night and am nodding off.

^^ That is, he always loses with at least one slot and, as such, can never truely be playing to win.

↑ Tierce wrote:buldermar--I'll address your stuff asap, I'm exhausted today. Mostly, from memory, it was about RebRabbit's vote patterns; he seemed incisive about the people I was already being incisive about. It felt somewhat like overkill. Regarding Leonshade/Cheery Dog, I did say I'd have to reassess things Today should Deltabacon flip Town.

Alright, sleep well.

↑ buldermar wrote:^^ That is, he always loses with at least one slot and, as such, can never truely be playing to win.

...He was cheating, I think the play to win concept went out the window ages ago. What I was trying to do was get the reasoning for acting a certain manner and push a certain alignment's chances over the other. ...I think this isn't English anymore, I'm past semi-poetic stream of consciousness onto inane rambling. See you tomorrow.

↑ Tierce wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:^^ That is, he always loses with at least one slot and, as such, can never truely be playing to win.

...He was cheating, I think the play to win concept went out the window ages ago. What I was trying to do was get the reasoning for acting a certain manner and push a certain alignment's chances over the other. ...I think this isn't English anymore, I'm past semi-poetic stream of consciousness onto inane rambling. See you tomorrow.

Alright =)

Alrighty guys here's the deal.


Regarding JamesWatson/fishriding/whoever else, it is literally impossible to analyze the viewpoint of this absolute fucking retard. Let's keep that wine out of the game and focus on what we've got.

Granted, that's not much, but still.


Tierce is town as always until I say otherwise, though I have a question for you.
Buldermar is town, making Tierce v. buldermar Town v. Town
JasonWazza is probably town.

I had a town read on BT, then Nat_river (yeah yeah) came in and fucked it up, so Cheery can go to the Null pile.

Airick falls into the lurktastic pile.


Questions to be answered to proceed:
1) Why was RedRabbit killed?
2) Tierce, well I'm realizing I misread your posts but I'll ask the question. Can you explain your shift from Post 243 to Post 325?

I'm not voting for now, though I'd support an Airick wagon most of all at the moment.

Xalxe, could you elaborate on either of your reads?

↑ buldermar wrote:Xalxe, could you elaborate on either of your reads?

You have used the word either. I do not understand your usage of this word, as I have provided some form of read on every player in this game, save myself.

tl;dr be more specific?

↑ Xalxe wrote:2) Tierce, well I'm realizing I misread your posts but I'll ask the question. Can you explain your shift from Post 243 to Post 325?

Deltabacon flipped Town. Post 243 that that plan was to take place pending a flip from his slot:

↑ Tierce wrote:If Deltabacon flips

scum

and I die tonight, you lynch Cheery Dog and Leonshade until one of them flips scum. No questions asked, just do it. I guarantee that Deltabacon's scum flip will turn this into a town victory if you go along with this.

Question #2: Why am I here and not in bed. >.>

↑ Xalxe wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:Xalxe, could you elaborate on either of your reads?

You have used the word either. I do not understand your usage of this word, as I have provided some form of read on every player in this game, save myself.

tl;dr be more specific?

Ok.

↑ Xalxe wrote:Regarding JamesWatson/fishriding/whoever else, it is literally impossible to analyze the viewpoint of this absolute fucking retard. Let's keep that wine out of the game and focus on what we've got.

Why?

↑ Xalxe wrote:Tierce is town as always until I say otherwise

Why?

↑ Xalxe wrote:Buldermar is town

Why?

↑ Xalxe wrote:JasonWazza is probably town.

Why?

↑ Xalxe wrote:I had a town read on BT

Why?

↑ Xalxe wrote:then Nat_river (yeah yeah) came in and fucked it up, so Cheery can go to the Null pile.

How did Nat_river fuck it up, and why does it make Cheery can go to the "Null pile"?

↑ Xalxe wrote:Airick falls into the lurktastic pile.

Wh... oh wait, nvm.

↑ Tierce wrote:

↑ Xalxe wrote:2) Tierce, well I'm realizing I misread your posts but I'll ask the question. Can you explain your shift from Post 243 to Post 325?

Deltabacon flipped Town. Post 243

made it very clear

that that plan was to take place pending a

scum

flip from his slot:

↑ Tierce wrote:If Deltabacon flips

scum

and I die tonight, you lynch Cheery Dog and Leonshade until one of them flips scum. No questions asked, just do it. I guarantee that Deltabacon's scum flip will turn this into a town victory if you go along with this.

Question #2: Why am I here and not in bed. >.>

Going, going...

To be fair you did also make a similar statement for a Delta town flip.

Tierce - Tierce is always town, except when she isn't. We have a history. I don't flatter myself that I can read her perfectly, but she's by no means today's lynch.
Re: Retards: Wine, wine everyfuckingwhere.
Bul - Town because not scum. POE bitches.
Jason is town because PaperSpirit was and he hasn't done anything to fuck up that read.
BT was :goodposting: all over this game and was a nice voice of sanity. Cheery decided to not do that. Plus river boy was dumb.

If you were expecting :motherfucking walls: like you're fond of, be aware that Tierce and I are from the same school of thought. 'Cept she's better at it.