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Okay I disagree w/ first point

Your case on me is based entirely on the fact that my cases on Varsoon and Icebox were bad

I've been proving how they haven't been, and you've been giving up on the arguments one by one, culminating in your contradiction last post.

Do you have anything else?

The former leader of Flowchartians wrote:
short version

-G

My case on you is "entirely" that I disagree with all your views, your case on Icebox was bad, and you set up a 1v1 with Icebox/Varsoon.

You haven't been proving anything, you've been sidelining arguments with irrelevant questions like "LOL BUT WUT 'BOUT DIS VOTE HERE?' that had nothing to do with why I find you scummy, and you've not pointed any contradiction out.

Are you actually going to start defending against the points I've made on you, or are you going to keep deflecting?

For the love of god, Majiffy.

First off, you're not reading what Fery or Bo have been posting about your supposed 1v1, which comes down to the way I phrased a sentence. Given that I have since switched off one player and not gone to vote the other before you accused me of setting up a 1v1, you are incorrect in this point.

You find me scummy because of my supposedly bad case on Icebox AND Varsoon since you pointed BOTH out in 272. I have been showing you that you know NOTHING about the case on Icebox, that various things that have happened in the game that you don't know about, which is helping you misunderstand the Icebox case.

And now you are misrepresenting the conversation. I am proving to you that my case on Icebox was not bad. You are failing to prove otherwise.

Here is your contradiction.

↑ Selkies wrote:

Majiffy wrote:

↑ Selkies wrote:
Nope, cherry picking arguments. Intentional misrep of my case on Varsoon.

That's adorable, since

I haven't actually said anything about your case on Varsoon

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↑ Majiffy wrote:

Re: Varsoon (not going to bother quoting because walls)
I don't like how you start with "Varsoons posts are bad" and highlight that he doesn't like RVS. RVS is inefficient and generally sucky. There's nothing bad about disliking RVS.
I also don't like how you end with "I think there's at least one scum between Varsoon and Icebox.", in context with your poor arguments for both of them being scum. Hence my accusation of you lining up lynches

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I shouldn't need to explain this.

Majiffy wrote:

↑ Selkies wrote:
You mean like how you gave up trying to counter why Icebox's Rach-vote was useless?

You mean how I said I wasn't going to argue a point I never originally made in the first place?

You forced that argument into the picture, not me.

↑ Majiffy wrote:

It's building a wagon. Which helps get us out of RVS. Which is pro-town. The fact that you can't grok that is what feels so entirely fabricated.

You tried to prove me scum by saying that my case on Icebox was bad, a flawed argument which the below quote was a part of, so yes, you bought that into the picture.

I've defended against every point you've made against Icebox and the 1v1.

You don't disagree with all my views. For one, you're forcing me right now to defend an argument (Icebox scum) that I've since withdrawn. So that's overblown too.

Try again, Majiffy.

Oh and the fact that you cherry picked the Varsoon case and right now are trying to say that you didn't bring it up is pretty solid proof that I've shot that one down too.

↑ Selkies wrote:For the love of god, Majiffy.

First off, you're not reading what Fery or Bo have been posting about your supposed 1v1

Oh I read it, I just disagree. Particularly since you're acting like caught scum with the defensive position of "nuh uh ur points are wrong" as opposed to "no I'm town!"

↑ Selkies wrote:
You find me scummy because of my supposedly bad case on Icebox AND Varsoon since you pointed BOTH out in 272. I have been showing you that you know NOTHING about the case on Icebox, that various things that have happened in the game that you don't know about, which is helping you misunderstand the Icebox case.

I pointed out the 1v1 in 272. I didn't comment on the Varsoon case. Stop misrepping.

↑ Selkies wrote:I am proving to you that my case on Icebox was not bad.

Uhhh... Where?

↑ Selkies wrote:
You tried to prove me scum by saying that my case on Icebox was bad, a flawed argument which the below quote was a part of, so yes, you bought that into the picture.

Pray tell how I brought something into the picture if it was part of your case.

↑ Selkies wrote:
You don't disagree with all my views. For one, you're forcing me right now to defend an argument (Icebox scum) that I've since withdrawn. So that's overblown too.

^ More caught scum mentality.

I'm done arguing with you, you're like a broken record.

You get bolded responses.

↑ Majiffy wrote:

↑ Selkies wrote:For the love of god, Majiffy.

First off, you're not reading what Fery or Bo have been posting about your supposed 1v1

Oh I read it, I just disagree. Particularly since you're acting like caught scum with the defensive position of "nuh uh ur points are wrong" as opposed to "no I'm town!"

Your points on why I'm not town are wrong.

Go syllogism that.

↑ Selkies wrote:
You find me scummy because of my supposedly bad case on Icebox AND Varsoon since you pointed BOTH out in 272. I have been showing you that you know NOTHING about the case on Icebox, that various things that have happened in the game that you don't know about, which is helping you misunderstand the Icebox case.

I pointed out the 1v1 in 272. I didn't comment on the Varsoon case. Stop misrepping.

You didn't comment on the Varsoon case. Really. So, Re: Varsoon, and the following "I dislike X and Y in this case" is...

There must be a twin in this thread.

↑ Selkies wrote:I am proving to you that my case on Icebox was not bad.

Uhhh... Where?

Are you fucking serious

How about our entire conversation being on Icebox's case

↑ Selkies wrote:
You tried to prove me scum by saying that my case on Icebox was bad, a flawed argument which the below quote was a part of, so yes, you bought that into the picture.

Pray tell how I brought something into the picture if it was part of your case.

YES IT WAS PART OF MY CASE

YOU SAID THAT I AM SCUM FOR MY SHITTY CASE ON ICEBOX

SO YES, IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ARGUMENT, YOU BOUGHT IT INTO THE PICTURE

↑ Selkies wrote:
You don't disagree with all my views. For one, you're forcing me right now to defend an argument (Icebox scum) that I've since withdrawn. So that's overblown too.

^ More caught scum mentality.

Right, proving your points wrong makes me scum, I forgot about that point.

It's 3:40 am and I have school tomorrow, leave questions here and I'll get to them.

So if "the picture" is the case on me being scum, yes you bought that argument into the picture, yes you certainly did

I cannot be the only one seeing how fucking retarded you're being right now

↑ Majiffy wrote:I'm done arguing with you, you're like a broken record.

Go make yourself productive and read the fucking thread

Go make yourself productive and learn to play.

↑ Majiffy wrote:

↑ Selkies wrote:So basically, if I build a case on someone after someone else has already expressed similar sentiments, I'm scum.

Gotcha.

By the way, Varsoon expressed suspicion on me before you.

"Opportunistic scum."

VOTE: Majiffy

You can go bye-bye.

↑ Selkies wrote:By the way, Varsoon expressed suspicion on me before you.

"Opportunistic scum."

↑ Selkies wrote:VOTE: Majiffy

You can go bye-bye.

Sing me the song of your people,
Angry-Caught-Scum-OMGUS, in E flat minor.

Well, that's been a productive exchange. :/

I'm about caught up on other stuff and ready to dive into this thread again. I don't have any interest in rehashing your argument with orcinus. Will you be around? I'm going to start with some ISOs because hell if I'm going to reread this damned argument.

- f

Yeah I'll be here, except for about an hour between 6 EST and 7 EST

Can I just mention that I won't be posting as often for the next 24 hours? Definitely not worth V/LA'ing to the mod but you know, once you don't post in 12 hours Sven will come and find you.

Varsoon's post 200 is so spoiler-filled that I'm not gong to try to quote it and insert my observations.

I asked earlier about mafia experience and that post is bristling with mafia theory (rather unique theory in my estimation) so I'll retract that question.
His reply to Bo's 104 is interesting. He explains that his non-voting post about scummy absolute statements was a reaction test, but seems ambivalent about the utility of such testing.

His reply to other-Selkies' post 141 struck me as unintentional irony. He asks that we format our posts so that they are easier to quote and respond to in a post that I'm discouraged from quoting and responding to. :/

Reply to other-Selkies' post 143:

More interesting game theory. I think I remember reading a game played to this theory once. It was painful to read. One town special after another was put to L-1, and forced to out before a vanilla townie was finally lynched. I lost interest after reading into day 2 and found something less depressing to do.

Here the previously ambivalent reaction test is now a trap, which other-Selkies has haplessly wandered into.

Will get to his scum reads in a bit.

@Varsoon, I'm reluctant to just dismiss this as scummy. I'm going to break down and read your previous MS game.

- f

Disturbed_One has 4 posts. As well as the RVS vote that put Rach at L-1 again (I think...maybe it was L-2 at that point) and the post saying he didn't see how an L-1 could hurt he made this post:

↑ Disturbed_One wrote:Okay so as for my RachMarie vote,

it was actually intended to be an RVS vote

. I somehow didn't see any other posts past from day 1, so

the vote I made was based on the information I had read from there.

I have read through the 7 pages now with some slight skimming, at the moment I'm most convinced of Sven being scum because of the case Bo made in post 104.

UNVOTE: RachMarie[/uvote]
VOTE: Svenskt

Will continue to read and form more opinions.

I'm admittedly pensive about the utility of RVS. But, I feel like I'm missing something here. If it's an RVS vote then what posted information would it be based on?

This was one of Varsoon's scum reads. I'd definitely go with "Person of Interest". But, I'll need more content before I'd put a serious vote here.

Re Svenskt, I've pretty much said all I currently have to say about him. He's one of the few MS players that I have experiential town meta on, and I've read his earlier scum game to compare that play to his known town play. He played a relaxed looking and confident scum game in my opinion. Scum players sometimes fall apart around the edges under pressure, but IME it usually takes a lot of pressure to get that sort of crack in the facade.

Holy cow I go to sleep and ya all post a novel...

actual content after coffee..

I agree with other-Selkies that Icebox looks town.

I wish I had the attention span to figure out who else he thinks is town.

Despite the tardfight I'm leaning town on Majiffy. Damned if I know why.

This is a little annoying. Couldn't get a word in edgewise earlier and now nobody's here to interact with.

Im here kinda sorta... drinking coffee and eating the meal that NS prepared for us ♥ A man that cooks and cleans house is definitely a keeper ♥

Yeah Majiffy its a good idea to assume is town kinda like Thor... hence the flowchart. And hope and pray they are not scum cause iffen they are town is so screwed.

Will move my RVS vote when I figure out a good place to put it (I believe someone commented on my vote still on Majiffy).....

I'm here now, let's snuggle.