For the first time, I actually looked at Patzer's avatar o_O
Upon isolation, I can't really see patzer as scum- in fact, I think he's town. :\
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:46 pm
by patzer
I wrote this post an hour ago but internet went off so posting it now.
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In post 319, Majiffy wrote:Maybe eventually. I'm going out to the bar in like 5 minutes.
Seriously? Since Page 10, you've been thinking I am scum.
Let's have a look at those posts:
Post 245- "Maybe I'll try to lynch Patzer later" Post 270- "I'm too lazy to give reasons why, but I will do if I try to lynch him." Post 292- "Let's try to lynch Patzer. DBK, come and join me on this wagon." Post 313- "Sakura, you should join me on this wagon. DBK isn't interested." Post 319- "Off to the pub; maybe eventually I'll give a reason."
What happened to those reasons promised in post 270?
I then noticed that Majiffy had slowly been preparing a wagon on me, while still being on the PHD wagon, then when the PHD wagon fell apart, he switched to me, while not bothered about the new Sakura wagon. So I reread the thread looking for conversation between Majiffy and Sakura. Here's all I found:
There was no conversation between Majiffy and Sakura, until the last few posts, which was just Majiffy trying to get Sakura to join the wagon. Nothing much.
Sakura has not mentioned her opinion of Majiffy.
Here is Majiffy's opinion on Sakura: Post 83- "Sakura may be town." A bit vague ...
Nothing else for a long time while Majiffy focuses on PhD. Post 210- Majiffy responds to Bo's request for an opinion on Sakura. Replies with a short sentence, before switching the subject back to PhD.
To conclude, the lack of reaction between Majiffy and Sakura, despite them both being quite active, is startling. Plus, Sakura has been displaying scummy behaviour, as already mentioned, and Majiffy has been inconsistent with regards to his attempted wagon on me. I wouldn't be at all surprised at a Majiffy-Sakura scum team.
I won't vote just yet- I would have voted for Sakura, but it would put her at L-1 and I don't want to risk an accidental hammer.
In post 318, patzer wrote:Majiffy, I don't like how you are trying to start a wagon on me, without even making a case against me... you haven't said why you think I am scum? Maybe you should do that.
Don't go there. I already went through this. My advice pretend he isn't there and go scum hunting. Then when he makes his case bunker down and hope it doesn't get you lynched.
Actually this is a really efficient strategy against my playstyle. Kudos.
No he's not. He's defensively trying to grab associatives out of thin air.
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Full case on Patzer tomorrow.
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:00 pm
by Does Bo Know
Yeah please. I feel like Patzer's most recent post is only associative, but useful (like he became useful later as town.) Maybe tomorrow then.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:14 am
by Sakura Hana
btw PhD I'm still awaiting answers to the question I answered earlier to everyone voting me, just posting this to remind you in case you missed it.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:48 am
by PhDScar
In post 330, Sakura Hana wrote:btw PhD I'm still awaiting answers to the question I answered earlier to everyone voting me, just posting this to remind you in case you missed it.
I'm too lazy to look. Can you ask the question again?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:48 am
by Sakura Hana
In post 294, Sakura Hana wrote:Well i'm lost at the momment, so i'd like to ask a question to all people voting me. Is there at present, still any reason why you think I'm scum? and if so what is said reason?
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That question
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:32 am
by Does Bo Know
Majiffy, can you please just lynch Sakura with me? She's asking why PhD thinks she's scum when PhD has been talking about why Sakura is scum the whole game.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:49 am
by Sakura Hana
I don't see the circular logic anywhere tho?
Also if you want to lynch me then why are you afraid to put me at L-1?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:14 am
by Does Bo Know
Oh yeah UNVOTE: PhDScar VOTE: Sakura Hana
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:15 am
by Majiffy
In post 333, Does Bo Know wrote:Majiffy, can you please just lynch Sakura with me? She's asking why PhD thinks she's scum when PhD has been talking about why Sakura is scum the whole game.
No. PhD has a superbly weak case on Sakura, I had an early townread on Sakura, and he's not even currently voting her. There is no way I am getting on that wagon.
I'll get to the patzer case once I'm caught up in my other games.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 am
by Does Bo Know
I was afraid to have you at L-1 because I wanted to see how everyone responded to my ideas first. After that I just forgot to vote you.
PEdit: So what do you take of TMT's case on Sakura then, Majiffy?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:26 am
by Sakura Hana
Well i'll explain the reasonings behind all of my actions later, tho i'd prefer to hear everyone's take on my wagon first.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:31 am
by Does Bo Know
Yeah so Majiffy and Sakura can't be scum partners. Sorry Patzer.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:37 am
by Majiffy
In post 337, Does Bo Know wrote:PEdit: So what do you take of TMT's case on Sakura then, Majiffy?
Haven't seen it, but it's probably dumb too.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:52 am
by Majiffy
Spoiler: Look at all the scummy posts Patzer makes!
In post 43, patzer wrote:That's actually why I replaced into this game, so I would have an idea of some players' metas.
>Hasn't made a single meta argument yet. Why? Because he doesn't know how to fabricate one.
In post 114, patzer wrote:These posts contradict each other.
at the moment PhD looks like the most likely scum. UNVOTE: VOTE: PhDScar
Wagon hopping. Can't remember what L this was, but I do remember it sticking out to me.
I'm not sure, but I think PhD's at L-1, and I'd rather look back at the game before voting him and risking a lynch. The Sakura wagon looks promising, so I'll have a look at her posts.
Look at that shining opportunism.
In post 247, patzer wrote:I reread the thread from page 6.
Now PhD is looking neutral. His posts have been natural, and I could easily see him being town. slight FoS on Sakura, she has said some things that may be coming from a scum point of view, but not certain by any means. I'm not sure what to do now, I don't have any major reads and from my past experience here that is regarded as a scumtell...
Yeeep.
In post 326, patzer wrote:Seriously? Since Page 10, you've been thinking I am scum.
Let's have a look at those posts:
Post 245- "Maybe I'll try to lynch Patzer later" Post 270- "I'm too lazy to give reasons why, but I will do if I try to lynch him." Post 292- "Let's try to lynch Patzer. DBK, come and join me on this wagon." Post 313- "Sakura, you should join me on this wagon. DBK isn't interested." Post 319- "Off to the pub; maybe eventually I'll give a reason."
What happened to those reasons promised in post 270?
Lol, here comes a pile of pre-case defensive BS.
In post 326, patzer wrote:
I then noticed that Majiffy had slowly been preparing a wagon on me, while still being on the PHD wagon, then when the PHD wagon fell apart, he switched to me, while not bothered about the new Sakura wagon. So I reread the thread looking for conversation between Majiffy and Sakura. Here's all I found:
There was no conversation between Majiffy and Sakura, until the last few posts, which was just Majiffy trying to get Sakura to join the wagon. Nothing much.
Sakura has not mentioned her opinion of Majiffy.
Here is Majiffy's opinion on Sakura: Post 83- "Sakura may be town." A bit vague ...
Nothing else for a long time while Majiffy focuses on PhD. Post 210- Majiffy responds to Bo's request for an opinion on Sakura. Replies with a short sentence, before switching the subject back to PhD.
So I switched to another scum read after very clearly having hesitations on the player I was on - instead of jumping on a bandwagon on my town read? Is that... supposed to be scummy? Somehow?
In post 326, patzer wrote:
To conclude, the lack of reaction between Majiffy and Sakura, despite them both being quite active, is startling. Plus, Sakura has been displaying scummy behaviour, as already mentioned, and Majiffy has been inconsistent with regards to his attempted wagon on me. I wouldn't be at all surprised at a Majiffy-Sakura scum team.
I won't vote just yet- I would have voted for Sakura, but it would put her at L-1 and I don't want to risk an accidental hammer.
Lol.
tl;dr - has made no effort to legitimately scumhunt. Show me one question that he posed to another player that wasn't either retaliatory/defensive in nature, or fluff. This is the PepsiMax Challenge. (Hint: there isn't one.)
Furthermore, he has opportunistic voting habits, and his "argument" for Sakura-Majiffy scum is defensive, associative-without-flip drivel.
In addition, he has claimed to have joined this game based on knowledge of other players' meta. He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.
To conclude - he's scum. Vote him.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:59 am
by Does Bo Know
I agree with one point on that case: the initial PhD vote.
Nice try though.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:16 pm
by Majiffy
"Nice try"? Seriously?
You scum, bro?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:17 pm
by Majiffy
Patzer has made not a single effort to legitimately determine the alignment of another player in this game. This is blatantly fucking obvious if you look at his ISO. All he does is wagon-hop on popular targets and attack them. There is no way he is town.
Maybe if I make it huge, you'll fucking get it.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:22 pm
by PhDScar
UNVOTE: Sakura
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:27 pm
by PhDScar
In post 341, Majiffy wrote:He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.
He brought up Bo's meta.
In post 280, patzer wrote:On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.
Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:27 pm
by PhDScar
In post 341, Majiffy wrote:He hasn't discussed anything regarding meta, insofar as his reads, thus far.
He brought up Bo's meta.
In post 280, patzer wrote:On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.
Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.
In post 280, patzer wrote:On the subject of your scum win, I noticed a big similarity between this one and that one. There nobody suspected you of being scum and you were scum, here nobody has suspected you of being scum. This must mean you are scum.
Well it’s the only time he's done it and it seemed very jokey but he has done it.
