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Also I'm still looking forward to jon's promised read on Mr. Flay:

In post 265, jon_h61 wrote: Something's been bothering me about you(Mr. Flay), I can't put a finger on it ATM. I guess it's what people call gut. I feel like I should be voting you, but I don't know why, and it's driving me crazy. I'll ISO you to see if I can either quell or verify this odd feeling.

It's getting dangerously close to the deadline and has tied it 3-3 with Lortaku and JerryArr. As far as I can see the main argument against Lortaku is an extreme lack of content and the argument against Jerry is his suspicious voting habits. Is this correct? Strikes me that either of the two could be newbies making fairly innocent mistakes. What tiny amounts we've heard from Lortaku since the wagon suggest someone who is frankly a little overwhelmed by the game. He hasn't acted like normal scum under pressure and it's bizarre that he hasn't tried to throw the vote off himself by voting Jerry or whomever.

has presented a more compelling case against Jon and frankly I don't care if accusations of sheeping occur, I don't want us to sleepwalk into a mislynch. I still think Xiao is the most suspicious player and so I realise it makes absolutely no sense to be on the same lynch as him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jon_h61

, , I urge you both if you have time then have a quick re-examine of your current cases.

If there's still a tie at day's end then I'll break it (with a vote on Jerry or whomever).

The deadline is at 5:30am for me so I'm going to have to post now and hope that people act rationally afterwards.

according to your post #267, you found jon quite scummy and said he had made a slip, but you only had a feeling of "general scumminess" about Jerry. Can you explain why your vote is on Jerry rather than jon, who you identified as having made lots of suspect moves. If jon did make a slip, as you said, doesn't that make him scum? Otherwise are you saying that he made a slip as a townie? If so what is he trying to cover up? Do you think both of their play since then has made Jerry look more scummy than jon?

in #294 you called jon's vote for me a terrible and horrible move. If it was so bad (which I think it was), why haven't you voted for him? Has lortaku made a play that you find more revealing of a scummy motive?

I know I'm rallying hard for jon's lynch here, but it's because I won't be able to again until tomorrow, which will be way after the deadline has passed. I might post again in the next half hour before I go to bed, but that would only be to respond to someone.

In post 323, Kattaze wrote:

In post 315, JerryArr wrote:Apologies for my inactivity.

First, while

Kattaze

's (perhaps extreme) defense of me is appreciated, I do think it is a tiny bit suspicious, especially with where I stand right now, enough so that I have doubts about her towniness.

What are you on about? When did I make an extreme defense for you? I made a defense of lortaku, not you.

That's...wow. That would not be the worst scumslip I've ever seen (mistaking a wagon on your buddy for one on yourself), but it ranks right up there if true. I suppose jon's argument for Kattaze/Jerry in 297 would also explain it in a way, but... Happy with either of those wagons right now.

Not at all convinced by the Kattaze argument in 293. Just because Fear had a very Town-seeming outlook does not mean he gets to bank that into "any accusations of bussing against Fear/Jerry are ridiculous har har har". ANYBODY could still be scum, and Fear did start off awfully chummy with "jerr-bear"; in fact, Jerry was the last person Fear interrogated in early day, right before he started voting.
The wife thing is a completely null tell. And the defense of me, which starts off the whole case? Yeah, I have obviously, but it's also true that I had exactly one vote before Kattaze came in swinging... and that from our resident lurker. Kattaze also only really looks at jon's actions for his "case" since he replaced in, which is lazy. have you even read the game (not ISOs, the whole game) before your first post? If so what do you think of jon's posting before then? Why aren't you using that against him?

tl;dr: This jon wagon stinks to high heaven.

Ugh. So NQT complains about the 3-3, then shifts it to a 3-3. And lortaku has already signaled that he won't vote to get the heat off of himself... welcome to NoLynchylvania folks. Obviously I only support one of the current 3's, but I should be home before the deadline hits.

In post 329, Mr. Flay wrote:Kattaze also only really looks at jon's actions for his "case" since he replaced in, which is lazy.

Kattaze

have you even read the game (not ISOs, the whole game) before your first post? If so what do you think of jon's posting before then? Why aren't you using that against him?

Yes, I've read it. If you read my case, you must be aware that I shared my thoughts on jon's early game posting:

In post 293, Kattaze wrote: I'll start by quoting what I first said about him in #232:

In post 232, Kattaze wrote:

jon_h61

Looks scummy to me at this stage. In #85 he over-exaggerates Xiao's "defiance" in the bit he quoted. Also found his post #87 slightly suspicious. He alleges that NQT's hypothical in post 44 was a trap, which is a possibility, but that seems like pretty advanced tactics for a newbie game. I didn't like it how Jon automatically ruled out the (much more likely) possibility that NQT's question was just flawed, instead claiming that it must have been a trap.

Wow I've never been in a no lynch before. I'd seriously urge that we lynch someone, even me. Come on folks, let's get it together and lynch someone. IF you lynch me, seriously consider Kattaze tomorrow, I know they'll hem and haw, but don't let them get away clean. I think they're trying to line up enough mis-lynches to win.

I'll take one for the team if it keeps us from no lynching.

I'm probably not going to be back before deadline (going to dad's house to celebrate Father's Day, it will be his first one in 50 plus years without mom). I really can't think of anything to add.

Seriously though, we need to lynch someone today. I know Day 1s are tenuous when making later reads, but the odds have proven that even lynching a Townie improves Town's chances of winning. Let's lynch someone today! I'm almost to the point of not caring who, but I think I've made it clear who my preferences are.

In post 328, Kattaze wrote:

@Xiao:

in #294 you called jon's vote for me a terrible and horrible move. If it was so bad (which I think it was), why haven't you voted for him? Has lortaku made a play that you find more revealing of a scummy motive?

Because I found others scummier at the time and just didn't vote him. As far as Lortaku is concerned, it's not so much that his play is more revealing, it's that he has no play at all which I think is detrimental. With NQT's unvote, though, the Lortaku wagon has gone to shit and I guess I need to ISO Jon and Jerry (lol, cartoon status) and see which of the two I'd rather lynch even though both are null for me. <.<

Also, lol at NQT trying to break-up a 3-3 tie with another one. Why not vote for the one with most votes? Protecting your interests?

As I said, I'll jump back in and break the tie before day end if someone else hasn't already- if anyone's online now (for the next hour) say something and we can work out something.

NQT, I don't think a Jon lynch is going anywhere right now. I think now is the time to
VOTE: lortaku
I'll be here for the rest of the day so we can get five on someone, even if it is me.

Also, apologies, Kattaze.

Yeah, damn it you're right. I sure hope I don't regret this but Lor is scummier than you and a mislynch would be toxic:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lortaku

Lortaku, what were you?
If you were town, can you tell us who you find the scummiest at this time - both on and off your wagon.

Agree with pitoli - also NOBODY else should give any more reads.

Unless Zaicon or I miscounted, lortaku is only at 4 votes.

40 minutes left, someone needs to fucking express intent to hammer or something.

We're almost at deadline, someone needs to hammer.

Final Vote Count - Day 1

lortaku (4)

: Xiao Long, rmpeacoc, JerryArr, notquitethere

JerryArr (3)

: Mr. Flay, jon_h61, pitoli

jon_h61 (1)

: Kattaze

Mr. Flay (1)

: lortaku

No Vote (0)

Vote Count 2.0

No Vote (9)

: JerryArr, jon_h61, Kattaze, lortaku, Mr. Flay, notquitethere, pitoli, rmpeacoc, Xiao Long

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, June 25 at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-25 16:00:00).

well. So glad you all let a NL happen.

Annoyed and disappointed with the fact that Pitoli and Mr. Flay miscounted.

Also irritated that Jon was all 'we need to lynch someone' when it was pretty clear his vote wasn't going through.

*yawn*
Not even a NK? We might as well vote again and end D2 immediately since we have fuck-all information.

wow I didn't even realize there was no nk. i'm oblivious.

i actually agree with that. Also I think since there wasn't a nk we can count on lortaku being scum... that or mafia want us to think that, but then why give us a ml?

also if there is doctor or jk or both you should SUBTLY breadcrumb who you saved, don't just out it. kthanks

VOTE: lortaku

First of all, yes, I will take responsibility for the miscount and failing to hammer. I'm assuming Flay (since he promised to hammer too), just looked at my words to Lortaku and assumed we were in twilight.

I'm really really sorry guys.

its kay just don't do it again

*its only okay because there was no night kill*