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Ok so why LnnGrrR then?

:preceding 13 pages:

Gee thanks, that's really helpful. I don't suppose you'd humour the new guy and detail your case just a bit? I did read all thirteen pages, FYI...

Eh, I could be stubborn about this but I guess that wouldn't help. For now, it's a fall-back - I think it's fairly clear that I've seen LnGrrrR as intermittently quite scummy throughout this game and therefore a good place to park my vote after my last led to a claim that we won't be lynching. It needs further thought but I think the last thing you could call my vote is surprising.

Ok. I didn't say it was surprising but I don't yet see it.

What do you think of fferylt?

I don't know her very well but I see no reason to be particularly worried at this point. Why, what do think of her? If you've read all 13 pages, why haven't you shared more thoughts?

I'm keeping my powder dry until I work out the players a but more. Fferylt is the only player I do know and I noticed that her early posts were quite tentative. Like post 81. Town fferylt is very activist in my experience, whereas as scum she can take a bit to find her feet.

JasonWazza looks the most objectively scummy though, based on (what I saw as) his evasive responses.

how were they scummy?

In post 291, LnGrrrR wrote:@Amrun,

Why aren't "people playing poorly" scummy to you? What makes you think Jason and/or Marquis is town? Did you bother to read Ffery's link in which Jason hardcore lurked as scum?

Your scum huntin still sucks by the way. Stop tunnelling.

Town and scum can play poorly. Playing poorly is not indicative of alignment. Marquis seems moderately townish to me, and Jason didn't really until his claim, which I'll decline to comment about since night should sort that whole business out.

In post 327, MSG wrote:Gee thanks, that's really helpful. I don't suppose you'd humour the new guy and detail your case just a bit? I did read all thirteen pages, FYI...

If you've read all thirteen pages, how could you possibly miss all the reasons to be voting lngrr? They've been laid out. I don't like this post.

In post 331, MSG wrote:I'm keeping my powder dry until I work out the players a but more. Fferylt is the only player I do know and I noticed that her early posts were quite tentative. Like post 81. Town fferylt is very activist in my experience, whereas as scum she can take a bit to find her feet.

JasonWazza looks the most objectively scummy though, based on (what I saw as) his evasive responses.

This post, though, I do like. I feel the same way about ffery.

I'm answer to Jason: doesn't calling your posts evasive kind of speak for itself?

Anyway it's late at night here and posting on this phone is painful so I might save any more thoughts for tomorrow.

@Amrun, Channel,

I think we should be discussing the claim more, personally. There are no guarantees that the night phase will "sort it out."

The problem I have is that one JOAT (Stubbs) is much stronger and much less flavorful than the other (JasonWazza). I am inclined to believe Stubbs, because Jason's are so weak. All of his abilities require a good number of things to happen for any of them to be effective. I'm not familiar with this mod, but it just seems like bad design.

I highly doubt there are two JOATs though, with one being of "normal" power and the other being low.

@Amrun, also I would argue that anyone being seen as scum could be seen to be playing "poorly", since the whole point is to look towny as town or scum (barring say, if you have a power role, in which you might want to stay somewhere in the middle.) Also, what specifically don't you like about Ffery?

I'm pretty strongly familiar with Nexus and I can potentially believe both claims. As I also pointed, out, the two balance each other out in one being strong in ability but weak in flavour connection and vice versa. That's a balancing factor. The fact that we'd doubt the existence of more than one kind of JOAT is a balancing factor. Maybe Night 1 won't "sort it out" (Amrun's words, not mine) but there's no reason to lynch one of them today. We should see what they do and what results they get.

We're not lynching them today. Consider elsewhere.

In post 334, MSG wrote:I'm answer to Jason: doesn't calling your posts evasive kind of speak for itself?

Anyway it's late at night here and posting on this phone is painful so I might save any more thoughts for tomorrow.

Evasive and scummy are two different things.

@Channel,

Fair enough. Thanks for the insight.

UNVOTE:

I would like to hear some more from Marquis.

@Jason, now that the deadline is extended, could you explain your reads?

You realize the problem wasn't time, it was effort, right?

In post 331, MSG wrote:I'm keeping my powder dry until I work out the players a but more. Fferylt is the only player I do know and I noticed that her early posts were quite tentative. Like post 81. Town fferylt is very activist in my experience, whereas as scum she can take a bit to find her feet.

JasonWazza looks the most objectively scummy though, based on (what I saw as) his evasive responses.

In this environment I play a much slower game. And sometimes a tentative one. I sometimes replace into games here, and I find that dropping into a game with 10-15 pages of data immediately available will bring out some of my 24-hour-game-day style of play. So will playing with a bunch of people that I have a few prior games with.

I agree about Jason. He still bugs me.

In post 339, JasonWazza wrote:You realize the problem wasn't time, it was effort, right?

How much effort are you talking about here?

In post 335, LnGrrrR wrote:@Amrun, also I would argue that anyone being seen as scum could be seen to be playing "poorly", since the whole point is to look towny as town or scum (barring say, if you have a power role, in which you might want to stay somewhere in the middle.) Also, what specifically don't you like about Ffery?

There is a very big difference between playing anti-town and being scummy and anyone who has told you different is a liar. For example, right now, you're literally making the argument that poor play = scum, and Marquis and Jason are playing the worst right now, so therefore we should vote for them. (You haven't even soundly stated that you think they are scum for this, for the record. It seems very clear cut: they are Not Playing Right, so they should Get Lynched, but not as a policy, oh no.) This, you see, is not really poor play, but it is more likely to come from a scum mindset that is more concerned with achieving mislynches than reading people, therefore it is scummy.

ffery is just being really cautious. That sets her on my radar, but it's not something she hasn't/can't do as town, so we'll see.

In post 341, fferyllt wrote:

In post 339, JasonWazza wrote:You realize the problem wasn't time, it was effort, right?

How much effort are you talking about here?

It was actually a really long post, and i got really pissed that it got killed.

@Amrun, I disagree. If you are town, your main goal should be proving that you are town. Active lurking, not sharing reads, etc etc, none of this leads one to believe that someone is "towny", and especially creates chances for mislynches later in the game. Why? Because by not doing the above, they reduce the amount of info out there on them. Town obviously doesn't care about how much info they produce, but scum certainly do.

The reason I have found Jason more and more scummy is that he has refused to explain his scum read on you, even given multiple chances to do so. The same goes with Marquis; he has listed Rach as scum, and refused to explain why given multiple chances, and Squilly's scummy naked votes didn't help.

If you want a full T/S list I can provide one, but I will ask you do the same then.

@Channel,

Forgot to ask this before, but if you think Nexus would be likely to include two JOATs, do you think our other town PRs (assuming we have some) would be strong (ie cop/doc) or weak (one of Jason's abilities)?

I don't want to rely too much on modgaming D1, but since you seem familiar with his setups Im curious as to what you think about possible remaining PRs.

Not going there .

In post 343, JasonWazza wrote:

In post 341, fferyllt wrote:

In post 339, JasonWazza wrote:You realize the problem wasn't time, it was effort, right?

How much effort are you talking about here?

It was actually a really long post, and i got really pissed that it got killed.

This happened to me recently, when all the sql errors were happening last week. I wrote a huge and verbose reads/games state post. After yelling for a while and taking a walk, I came back and wrote a much shorter (but still pretty long by my standards) post that summarized my earlier post very well. Most of the verbose stuff was really me talking through things with myself, not necessarily something another player would want to read anyway if I'm being realistic.

Maybe summarize your earlier points?

In post 346, ChannelDelibird wrote:Not going there

at all

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Ok, but keep it in mind.