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In post 16, Maemuki wrote:

In post 14, elleheathen wrote:
They never even 'Oooh'ed or 'Ahhh'ed.

It's not better than an opera (yet), though.

In post 49, Maemuki wrote:My collection of Les Miseràbles cast albums is potencially embarrasing. Seriously, I'm missing very few of them.

Also, shos, it benefits scum in a way (less townies) but it also leaves them at a disadvantage (because every other townie is now suspicious of them). So there's that.

These posts both show the casual, relaxed feeling I expect from a town player, ESPECIALLY in the early-game. Scum in the early-game are typically going to be nervous, typically going to be on edge, because they haven't learned how to blend in. Mae, here, however, is just posting without a care in the world.

In post 57, Maemuki wrote:So, Mhork, won't you even give us a teeny tiny bit of your reasoning?

In post 59, Maemuki wrote:Your vote, maybe?

In post 61, Maemuki wrote:Yet you only voted after funky did. I don't think that makes much sense, but w/e. (b'-')b

Mae begins the inquiry into Mhork. A scum-Mae has no reason to focus only on Mhork, at least, so casually. A town-Mae who is scumhunting casually has every reason to.

I'll be honest--you'll see this throughout the case, but a lot of the reason Mae's a townread is because Mae's acting as a casual-me acts in a game. But it makes sense. If you're not really sure who the scum are, you have two options. Super-aggressive, and laid back casual scumhunting. You might think they produce different results, but the net effect is actually identical; they both catch people off-guard. Mae's posting may not be entirely intense, but they still hone in on key things which a town player's looking for.

"Why not a scum player?"

If Mae were scum, Mae would push this harder. Instead, we get this casual, relaxed, "whatevs". Mae doesn't vote Mhork. Mae doesn't apply serious pressure to Mhork. As scum, that's what I'd expect someone to do. In order to try and gain some early cheap towncred. But no, instead, Mae decides to continue referencing Mhork and putting attention onto him, while not overly focusing on him.

In post 79, Maemuki wrote:Mhork, I think your vote on Shos was very strange - it felt like sheeping while not completely understanding why.

This again shows a Mae-town mindset, because Mae's giving good insight, while also not being entirely confident. Mae is displaying all the signs of a player who is trying to figure things out, rather than a scum player trying to minimize condemning information and maximize manipulation.

In post 99, Maemuki wrote:

In post 80, Lord Mhork wrote:You mean when you said this? Where did you say it felt like sheeping? The part where you pointed out I voted after funky did? That just looks like a random observation.

And are you saying I didn't point out why I thought shos looked scummy?

You only voted after funky did. Which is the definition of sheeping. Are you following?

Also, yes.

Follows through on the above, trying to work with Mhork, prodding him to see if he's town or scum. Not scum, lazily making others do the work. Mae, here, is trying to see what Mhork's alignment is. If Mae were scum, I'd expect Mae to be pushing him harder. I'd be expecting her to actively be trying to get others to vote Mhork for this. Yet Mae isn't. Instead, Mae's there, talking to him, and I do believe that's trying to figure things out.

In post 161, Maemuki wrote:Now, I don't know about you guys, but some people (I'm looking at you, shos, funky, since you're the other people who are under the most suspicion) are keeping me as a second backup lynch while not actually voting me. Also, I disagree almost 100% with Grimgroove's reads. I think that Ellie and Mhork sound... close, so to speak. I don't know if they've played a lot, or if this is just coincidence, but their interactions sound off.

I'm not sure if you didn't understand my question or if you didn't want to understand.

Pointing out how you're a secondary lynch candidate is something I would never expect from a scum player. This IS drawing attention to yourself. It's basically saying, bluntly, "Hey guys, you all have different primary scumreads, yet I seem to be a universal secondary scumread!" Seriously, read it and tell me Mae's not essentially saying that. Now tell me that's a scum comment. It's not. Mae's pointing out, completely without worry, that she's a likely compromise lynch. But instead of trying to dissuade people from doing so, she instead--once again--is merely pointing it out. And she's making the most of it, by hinting at what she thinks of the others who are doing it. Plus, the last part shows that scumhunting again, off of gut and interactions, but again...

As scum, why not back up her words? Why not make it something off of reasoning? It's easy to fake logic as scum. So "because there's no actual logic behind it?" doesn't work as an excuse. Instead, it's just there, as a gut feeling, essentially, and that looks town.

And the last bit is also a great line. Trying to figure out a player again, and doing so in a manner which gives good insight. The comment "you didn't want to understand" really resonated with me, in particular, because it's something that I've picked up in my numerous games: scum typically prefer to be stubborn and not see things that a town player would.

In post 250, Maemuki wrote:First off, I think that one of {Mhork, funky} is scum.

This is a bad argument. You're not actually refuting anything that Mastin is saying, you're just redirecting (or attempting to, anyway) his suspicion. On my own experience, people usually only do that when they don't actually have anything to say.

Call me a sucker for buddying, but Mae's thought process seems to largely be on my same wavelength. You can call the first paragraph sheeping, but the second paragraph is uncannily good if Mae were scum trying to buddy me. Because it's a legitimately solid insight into Mhork, along my own thoughts. But, critically, it's something I hadn't expressed. It's something I've been thinking Mhork's scum for doing, yet not revealing. Yet here Mae is, having said it before I ever got the chance to.

Do you literally have no other reads other than myself? It's awfully easy attacking someone who you can assume that won't answer, especially if you've checked their activity elsewhere. Out of your 20 most recent posts, 14 are about me. There is literally nothing else in them other than 'prove she's town', 'where is she', etc, etc. I think it's more likely for scum to stay hung up on what can be seen as an easy mislynch (because a lurker is an easy lynch, no matter what, especially on this case, since you have literally nothing else to hold against me other than my inactivity).

You can call this hypocritical if you'd like, but I would instead say that it's precisely because of the similarity between Mhork and Mae that makes this post town. Mae is acknowledging the suspicion on her, via addressing the same issue. But, critically, does a damn-good job of pointing out the differences and how Mhork is scummy for the behavior. It shows remarkable insight, it shows a clear town thought process, it shows logically thinking and also a type of reach-out to the other players. It continues into the next paragraph:

Now, you can think 'why Mhork? Why not Grimgroove, or elle?' Because I know their reads other than myself, especially Grimgroove. Mhork has nothing recent.

And then, Mae goes ahead and sets herself apart from Mhork, by and giving reads on other players. (The way that was done, not inherently town, but also not inherently scum. But having done it at all was town.)

Mastin. Oh, Mastin. I don't know if you're scum buddying or not, but I really hope not, because you're pretty much the strongest town read I have.

This really resonates with me, because again...if Mae were scum, then this would be MY thoughts about MAE's play, it being scum buddying to me. I simply don't see Mae posting this bit as scum. As town, legitimately paranoid about it, though, it makes perfect sense.

Grimgroove, I like your posts. Or better yet, I like how you make your posts, but I'm not so sure of your reads

Alright, this one's gut. I have no logical reason to like this line. But I do. I think it has to do with the interactions, in that Mae's opening up to try and work with Grimgroove, here.

shos is...weird. Very weird. And by weird I mean he seems incredibly wishy-washy. Behold:

In post 201, shos wrote:well it's a good time to VOTE: Maemuki. This is an L-1 vote, lawl, had to say it

In post 223, shos wrote:(etc.) ^^^blending in the crowd. has it not been repeated a dozen times now? gg LITERALLY quoted the entire ISO earlier and did it better.

In post 224, shos wrote:the reason to not hammer is that by your post, you're policy lynching.

In post 225, shos wrote:(etc.) Having seen these last 8 pages of content, don't you think it is time to let go of this? I mean, what can mhork possibly say that would help you? you're moving astray again, and this will only promote your lynch.

In post 231, shos wrote:VOTE: funky mae's posting giving me gut feeling that I'm doing something wrong. better safe than sorry.

This whole progression is extremely weird. In the span of one page, you have literally held every single postion on my lynch, from 'lol L-1' to 'nah maybe not'. Would you care to explain?

This insight looks like it's town-oriented.

I'm kind of tired of looking through this game.

You can now continue with your regularly scheduled lynching. (b'-')b

This wasn't applied as an AtE. It's just a casually-thrown out there, "damn, this is harder than I should be". If that same sentence were "fuck this, I'm sick of this game", sure, yeah, scum. But it's not. It's not being applied for strategic value. Mae's not using tiredness as an excuse or a weapon. Mae's just casually referencing tiredness.

Then there's the fact that Mae's perfectly fine