You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Spifflop]

elyse, join us on the fruit train

[Extrapolated Eagle]

1. Well the first quote was before I voted him and the second was in reference to things that happened before I voted him so I don't know what your problem is.

my bad, you're right here. Sorry.

2. I was scumreading you but you weren't my top scumread, yes. I never said you should ignore a vote without justification, but I did justify mine.

see response to #1

3. I said white knighting because I thought that's what you were referencing. Otherwise I have no idea what you were trying to say.

you don't have to. You're acum

4. Seriously...? I just said that his observations don't lead anywhere and he doesn't follow up his questions. He's not motivated to find scum.

oh. Kinda like you're asking questions and interrogating me right now? Because you aren't. You're just defensive. Or like you're aggressively questioning Gwen?

6. This was your question:
"Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?"
This is A) loaded B) scummy because it serves no purpose C) bullshit because I'm not agreeing with you

Oh, so you're NOT starting to think that maybe aneninen is town because a stranger came in and voted him for no reason?

7. You misrepped me when you said I built up a case on you and voted someone without justification

scuse me but you and I have very different definitions of building a a case

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You deflected my point about your reads being superficial by accusing me of the same thing even when I proved you wrong.

that's not deflecting. That's ignoring a stupid accusations. And how on earth did you prove me wrong?

You falsely accused me of "not being here at all" and townreading Aneninen.

again, so you didn't start to think that maybe aneninen might be town because a stranger came in and voted him for no reason? Or you got nervous that your vote might be scum? I'm not seeing it here

I'm not frustrated. I am angry because you're annoying as fuck to deal with though.

Are you implying you should just sit around and make small talk with your scum reads, like you chatted Gwen up about where you thought she was acting scum my?

[Spider Gwen]

@Elyse: And exactly how do you think scum push a slip accusation?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Why do you like it? I find it to be scummy.

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that. I mean, I see how it could be scum my, but I liked it because it kind of defended Klingon to get him to talk more, And because it begged people to think about things without distracting too much from what was already going on. And now I like it because even though no one responded in the way I think he thought they would, it created a wagon. And I'm pretty sure I'm going to get reads out of that wagon.

In short, it created content. Thoughtful content, in a way.

[jasonT1981]

Official Vote Count

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, I Am Innocent, itlepip, Elyse

Aneninen

(3): Passionate Storm, T S O, Alchemist21

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Shiro

(2): My Other Head Is Scum, Varsoon

Klingoncelt

(2): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen

grapes

(2): Spider Gwen, Spifflop

Aunt Jemina

(1): PeregrineV

Elyse

(1): Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(1): grapes

itlepip

(1): Errantparabola

Not Voting

(3): Klingoncelt, Shiro, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

[Spiffeh]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

I am fairly certain this is scum.

Titus thoughts?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

I am fairly certain this is scum.

Titus thoughts?

~Spiffy

[Errantparabola]

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that.

I asked grapes why they neglected to provide a firm stance on what happened with kling and chose to ask an open ended question. They did not respond. I think that they are trying to avoid sticking their neck out, if anything.

I can join the fruit train, itlepip is going nowhere.
VOTE: grapes

[Spifflop]

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

[itlepip]

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that.

I asked grapes why they neglected to provide a firm stance on what happened with kling and chose to ask an open ended question. They did not respond. I think that they are trying to avoid sticking their neck out, if anything.

I can join the fruit train, itlepip is going nowhere.
VOTE: grapes

wait you were scumreading me? when did this happen?

Pedit: my poor EE wagon :(

[Spifflop]

EE's a bad wagon he's town.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

Someone is self conscious about being scum read.

What are your thoughts on the grapes wagon?

~Spiffy

[Errantparabola]

Itlepip, Do you not remember making 217?

I also dislike his willingness to provide self-meta of when he got lynched for similar reasons. He's aware of his own meta and could imitate it as scum and be all "look I acted this way when I was town see"

This resonates with me and my train of thought.

[Errantparabola]

Spifflop, I see you pushing on Alchemist for a bad push on Anen but what are your thoughts on Anen?

[Spifflop]

He's null.

~Spiffy

[itlepip]

In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

He fricken said it was a gambit, how was it not a gambit???

Ok I'm going to respond to everything else in just a minute but this was particularly drawing my attention so I feel like I should be cleared up:

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

He is saying that because he lacks the experience as scum what EP is suggesting as a gambit is not a thing he would do. At least that is how I read it

This. This is what was going on. I'm not scum. Before was inclusive, but shiro nailed why I said what I did.

Hey guys that are townreading EE here, lynch all liars should apply here right?

NYEHHH!! how is this stuff towny? I could move to grapes or random here though on gut and sheep.

Pedit: oh god... I don't want to argue about a joke post and semantics again please, yeah nvm forget I asked. That was and will always be a joke post though.

[Errantparabola]

Spifflop, you're my top townread. Just wanted to let you know.
Elyse is a ways behind you but still towny.

[Spifflop]

itlepip is town af

Shiro and Varsoon do something useful and vote for grapes.

itlepip continue doing something useful and vote for grapes.

~Spiffy

[Errantparabola]

Pedit: oh god... I don't want to argue about a joke post and semantics again please, yeah nvm forget I asked. That was and will always be a joke post though.

What about my post signaled to you I wanted to have an argument?
I don't understand why you would preemptively retract your question like this.

[itlepip]

itlepip is town af

Shiro and Varsoon do something useful and vote for grapes.

itlepip continue doing something useful and vote for grapes.

~Spiffy

answer my question then I will, how is that thing towny?

[Spifflop]

itlepip, ErrantParabola, Spider Gwen, Extrapolated Eagle, Elyse, and Aunt Jemina are town.

grapes, Alchemist21, and randomidget are scum.

PEdit: EE reads as new town eager to play the game and a little over his head.

~Spiffy

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Spoiler:

In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

He fricken said it was a gambit, how was it not a gambit???

Ok I'm going to respond to everything else in just a minute but this was particularly drawing my attention so I feel like I should be cleared up:

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

He is saying that because he lacks the experience as scum what EP is suggesting as a gambit is not a thing he would do. At least that is how I read it

This. This is what was going on. I'm not scum. Before was inclusive, but shiro nailed why I said what I did.

Hey guys that are townreading EE here, lynch all liars should apply here right?

Um... What? I said I wouldn't pull a gambit again as scum. Too risky and I don't have enough experience as scum to try something that risky. Where did I lie?

[Errantparabola]

itlepip, gimme a sec and I'll take a peek at your argument.

[Errantparabola]

itlepip, I might be reading this wrong, but your case seems to be a misunderstanding.

I think the gambit Eagle speaks of first is the whole "not voting" gambit
The gambit Eagle speaks of as being too risky is the whole "getting involved in everything point that Garmr made" gambit

Correct me if I'm wrong, Eagle

[itlepip]

Pedit: oh god... I don't want to argue about a joke post and semantics again please, yeah nvm forget I asked. That was and will always be a joke post though.

What about my post signaled to you I wanted to have an argument?
I don't understand why you would preemptively retract your question like this.

I had a game where the first day was just

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly itlepip is paying attention closely enough to see that my post wasn't meant for here but he can't answer my question or contribute elsewhere?

I don't really have an opinion on the whole Anti thing, I personally think that sort of stuff is NAI and even if it is it kinda spoils the game for me so I choose to ignore it. Past that not much has happened aside from a weird semantics argument between Gilgamesh and Notty that I think Gil won but I doubt matters. I have read the last few pages, but I just don't have anything to add and as I learned in another game saying things when you don't have strong opinions of the matter is pretty bad.

Also I did answer your question, in the post before you asked the question. The reason I left that argument is because you were asking the exact same questions over and over and your problems with my responses were minor semantics. If you feel there is anything that is actually a significant scumtell, please post it.


Here is post 261 so you can actually read it and find your answer.

Spoiler: 261

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.
Second

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

This could easily and was pushed.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

PEdit:Because it objectively was a semantics argument. I was talking about why you started my wagon and all you did is talk about the difference between why you started the wagon and the evidence that you got for the wagon a few posts later. When you are giving politician answers to my questions instead of actually addressing them, I generally will just move on and drop a vote on you instead of trying to get you to actually answer the question.

Either you think that you were pushing me due to my response to your wagon, which doesn't make sense because you have to have the wagon before I respond to it or the whole wagon was based on that joke post which you admitted was an incredibly weak reason for pushing my wagon. Either way it doesn't hold up and you going on like you had some highground in the argument is making me scumread you.

sort of thing with spiffeh. Spiffeh seems better this game imo.