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Reminder that the rest of the list should still try to obvtown so tomorrow is less of a pain.

i'd like to see more input from una

ok readlist not necessarily for yall but to keep track of my thoughts

me

una
profii
lycan

tacos

eth0s
randommidget

havo
fykus

chumba
tchill

i think this is roughly where i'm at today
probably not moving from tchill/chumba today unless one of you can really convince me elsewhere

with eth0s/midget being dead null

eth0s is online right now if you want to sort them

the only person i'm really torn on is havo and he keeps moving between townlean and scumlean in my head

would love to see more from fykus/eth0s/midget/una i guess but i think we're doing fine rn

why... am i scum over tacos? pertaining to your opening posts this day phase.

In post 97, Lycanfire wrote:

In post 89, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 85, Lycanfire wrote:Unrelated: How are your page 2 reads coming along Nero? Are you gaining confidence as a whole or only due to new content?

Why would you ask me this?

I don't think we've played a full game together but the word on the grape vine is that your reads are good. With your admission of the potential of tunnel vision I wanted to know if you were seeing them through, and how you were justifying the previous scumreads with new evidence.

I would have to be sold to vote Serg over Morality here. VOTE: Morality I don't particularly have a good direction in mind right now. I think I hate profii's face too, but vote parking him doesn't seem productive.

In post 262, Lycanfire wrote:Boon trying to town up by being Boon was far too late. He eventually did, but if you're going to cripple your townplay, can you really be mad at people voting you, if you're willing to vote yourself? I know that Boon has personal problems, but he needs to keep that to his main account.

It's interesting that the wagons are both falling where they are. I made this post yesterday

In post 84, Lycanfire wrote:I really dislike it when people try to be too clever and fuck with the game this early day 1.

because I thought I was picking up on neighbour/mason crumbs, which often throw a screw into my scumdar. I backed off and asked Cain about his reads. This post was essentially to demonstrate I was attempting to progress in the game without giving anything away, but I already feel like the speedlynch on Boon was a town derp wagon, esp. when you consider Boon was on himself... With that in mind town can't be trusted to play a proper game here. I want Tchill and Chumba to claim to not share a PT with one another.

I'm not about to attribute blame for the wagon on anyone besides Boon atm, but Chumba-Tchill are likely closely aligned, which explains why they also accelerated the wagon. I want the slots sitting out of the game to stand up in here in the mean time VOTE: randomidget

Dunker/Tacos/Fykus voting with a purpose here? There's ways to explain a vote on both players, but all I see are shit votes.

because boon scumread you and town read tacos

also tacos does this as town

i know it's lame reasoning but i can't ignore what boon said

In post 313, profii wrote:For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it

I don’t have any plan. All I did was say your plan was what scum are least likely to do based on experience and the opposite is more often the case.

Somebody else (can’t rememeb who) also supported that by saying mafia killing to frame rarely happens.

I was scum reading taco day 1 for him playing scummy. I voted him day two for the same reasons plus he still is playing scummy. My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Nero being killed but you just suggested not once but twice it has and all because I disagreed with using logic and experience

And while we are talking about theories. I’ve literally never seen anyone come into a day 2 (or any day that matter) with multiple theories of what scum would do. You came in with 2 different theories.

Just rubs me the wrong way.

oops sorry the quotes were for the next post sorry

you hit q+ by mistake, glad that you're reading my iso after you townread me though

In post 318, Lycanfire wrote:

In post 311, profii wrote:If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.

I don't see why.

In post 311, profii wrote:I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!

"DAE think tacos is town because I think tacos is town due to NKA" uhm, yeah, I suppose you encouraged people to in push tacos in reverse? Forgive me if your conclusion here (the rather expressive "there were tells to be had!") doesn't ring the sincerity bell.

In post 314, profii wrote:Thoughts?

You care too much about the scum pt, get a better read on this thread instead.

1. You said it not me. Either Taco is lynching his biggest threat and you and Chumba should push that as a lynch. Or he is not, then you can go as far to agree with me or say I’ve found a coincidence that’s a bit unfortunate for Tacos. None of us know the answer... BUT if you believe the scenario that he killed PerceivedThreat!Nero you need to explain why no lynch imo.

2. DAE? Sorry. I dont intend to encourage or push anything - I am merely presenting a sequence of events that logically could happen based on posts ITT. My playstyle is a lot of speculation. It is good when we have 2 scenarios like mine and Chumbas because people tend to pick a side. This can then make it difficult for them to explain if they slip - it works because when they post now they believe they are getting away with whatever they want to push. However, as I mentioned we’ve given that game away so we’ve lost some potential information. (Heaven forbid I used an exclamation mark!!)
If I just posted “not answering you, pick the scenario you feel is most probable” i don’t think it goes down well.


3. As per 2. The scenarios are based on events ITT, to get ahead of scum we have to speculate on their plan. Although we are literally a lynch mob I think it is beneficial to town to anticipate their plans.

In post 97, Lycanfire wrote:

In post 89, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 85, Lycanfire wrote:Unrelated: How are your page 2 reads coming along Nero? Are you gaining confidence as a whole or only due to new content?

Why would you ask me this?

I don't think we've played a full game together but the word on the grape vine is that your reads are good. With your admission of the potential of tunnel vision I wanted to know if you were seeing them through, and how you were justifying the previous scumreads with new evidence.

I would have to be sold to vote Serg over Morality here. VOTE: Morality I don't particularly have a good direction in mind right now. I think I hate profii's face too, but vote parking him doesn't seem productive.

In post 262, Lycanfire wrote:

Boon trying to town up by being Boon was far too late. He eventually did, but if you're going to cripple your townplay, can you really be mad at people voting you, if you're willing to vote yourself? I know that Boon has personal problems, but he needs to keep that to his main account.

It's interesting that the wagons are both falling where they are. I made this post yesterday

In post 84, Lycanfire wrote:I really dislike it when people try to be too clever and fuck with the game this early day 1.

because I thought I was picking up on neighbour/mason crumbs, which often throw a screw into my scumdar. I backed off and asked Cain about his reads. This post was essentially to demonstrate I was attempting to progress in the game without giving anything away, but I already feel like the speedlynch on Boon was a town derp wagon, esp. when you consider Boon was on himself... With that in mind town can't be trusted to play a proper game here. I want Tchill and Chumba to claim to not share a PT with one another.

I'm not about to attribute blame for the wagon on anyone besides Boon atm, but Chumba-Tchill are likely closely aligned, which explains why they also accelerated the wagon. I want the slots sitting out of the game to stand up in here in the mean time VOTE: randomidget

Dunker/Tacos/Fykus voting with a purpose here? There's ways to explain a vote on both players, but all I see are shit votes.

just a question, the 2 bolded things seemed to be contradictions, you seemed to want to lynch boon day 1 even though you knew he was town
can you explain this?

"because boon" ok buddy.

What did I say - that speculation was ultimately pointless? If you want Tacos there's a number of reasons you can push - except - you don't want Tacos, and want to make it about NKA and why he's probtown as a result. Meanwhile you're upset with me for playing spoiler to your attempt to gain "tells"... Did I mention the conversation was pointless? Most concerning is that your reads are genuinely unhelpful, if not anti-town. How it's okay to leave them in that state and instead speculate on something you should have no knowledge of, and then dig into that position when told to move on is complete wank.

In post 337, Dunkerdoodles wrote:

In post 97, Lycanfire wrote:

In post 89, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 85, Lycanfire wrote:Unrelated: How are your page 2 reads coming along Nero? Are you gaining confidence as a whole or only due to new content?

Why would you ask me this?

I don't think we've played a full game together but the word on the grape vine is that your reads are good. With your admission of the potential of tunnel vision I wanted to know if you were seeing them through, and how you were justifying the previous scumreads with new evidence.

I would have to be sold to vote Serg over Morality here. VOTE: Morality I don't particularly have a good direction in mind right now. I think I hate profii's face too, but vote parking him doesn't seem productive.

In post 262, Lycanfire wrote:

Boon trying to town up by being Boon was far too late. He eventually did, but if you're going to cripple your townplay, can you really be mad at people voting you, if you're willing to vote yourself? I know that Boon has personal problems, but he needs to keep that to his main account.

It's interesting that the wagons are both falling where they are. I made this post yesterday

In post 84, Lycanfire wrote:I really dislike it when people try to be too clever and fuck with the game this early day 1.

because I thought I was picking up on neighbour/mason crumbs, which often throw a screw into my scumdar. I backed off and asked Cain about his reads. This post was essentially to demonstrate I was attempting to progress in the game without giving anything away, but I already feel like the speedlynch on Boon was a town derp wagon, esp. when you consider Boon was on himself... With that in mind town can't be trusted to play a proper game here. I want Tchill and Chumba to claim to not share a PT with one another.

I'm not about to attribute blame for the wagon on anyone besides Boon atm, but Chumba-Tchill are likely closely aligned, which explains why they also accelerated the wagon. I want the slots sitting out of the game to stand up in here in the mean time VOTE: randomidget

Dunker/Tacos/Fykus voting with a purpose here? There's ways to explain a vote on both players, but all I see are shit votes.

just a question, the 2 bolded things seemed to be contradictions, you seemed to want to lynch boon day 1 even though you knew he was town
can you explain this?

you're low effort early game associative bombing scum and you're going to die

In post 234, Dunkerdoodles wrote:

In post 227, Sergtacos wrote:Hm, idk, i think boon could be in character.

this is a really bad post after boon's spree about you being town

In post 235, Dunkerdoodles wrote:

In post 233, Tchill13 wrote:so who wants to push me first since morality said i was scum?

townyish i think

scum would probably start defending themselves right away

tho i will vote you to start

VOTE: tchill

i'm probably going about this the wrong way. there's a good chance dunk is town here. however, Dunk needs to be able to analyze the game on his own (which he shows in this post he's capable). My issue is "because boon said" clearly gives dunker an out to analyze and project his thoughts in one direction but play in another direction. No town motivation to do that. This is why i'm weary of dunk. I will say that I would not be surprised at all if he just blindly trusted "the all seeing eye" Boon.

I'm about to put lycan at 99 percent town.

okok you gotta understand though, we can't just ignore what boon said, in fact we really should trust it more since he's conf town.

i'm sorting the game on my own, just using boons reads as well.

In post 343, Dunkerdoodles wrote:okok you gotta understand though, we can't just ignore what boon said, in fact we really should trust it more since he's conf town.

i'm sorting the game on my own, just using boons reads as well.

and you gotta understand if you're scum this is exactly the easiest way to go about it.

in fact we can ignore what boon said because he was wrong about me. Since i know that i also know he was probably wrong about the other stuff. I would imagine Scum is gonna take advantage of this and push boons beliefs so they dont have to take credit for it.

just a reminder

I have difficulty reading dunk and tacos.

Una is a very good town player i've seen it with my own eyes.

In post 333, Chumba wrote:

In post 313, profii wrote:For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it

I don’t have any plan. All I did was say your plan was what scum are least likely to do based on experience and the opposite is more often the case.

Somebody else (can’t rememeb who) also supported that by saying mafia killing to frame rarely happens.

I was scum reading taco day 1 for him playing scummy. I voted him day two for the same reasons plus he still is playing scummy. My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Nero being killed but you just suggested not once but twice it has and all because I disagreed with using logic and experience

And while we are talking about theories. I’ve literally never seen anyone come into a day 2 (or any day that matter) with multiple theories of what scum would do. You came in with 2 different theories.

Just rubs me the wrong way.

perhaps scenarios is a more apt description than plans.

I think if you read Nero’s ISO he clearly has some issue with Taco. This creates your scenario that scum killed based on threat. If you think that’s why Nero died you need to push Taco hard, you found scum

However

There were more than 1 players who said Taco had a naturally scummy play style even when town, therefore scum know it could be easy to lead us to Taco lynch. Then they can pick any player who took exception to Taco and lead us there. .

I think if everyone was saying your scenario is likely, there would be something in it and I’m over analysing the scum play - this isn’t happening so I’m confident my scenario is feasible and by highlighting it I’ve made it hard for scum to lead us to a potential mislynch target they’ve lined up... if he does flip scum I need to eat humble pie in the dead thread after I get lynched but It was you that told me “you be you” and I believe in giving the scum credit to come up with a play here

In post 345, Tchill13 wrote:in fact we can ignore what boon said because he was wrong about me. Since i know that i also know he was probably wrong about the other stuff. I would imagine Scum is gonna take advantage of this and push boons beliefs so they dont have to take credit for it.

see i don't think you're playing in a towny mindset. as town you need to use all the information available to try and find scum which is what im trying to do.

if you're town, show me you're town and work with me ok?

In post 324, Dunkerdoodles wrote:profii is solid town for me

Why?