Newbie 1875 | D4

[Irrelephant11]

Just as an FYI my preferred lynchpool is any of {Platfleece, Nexus, Klick}

I townread most other players enough to want to keep them alive

Though I’m v bothered by an IC who isn’t playing like an IC should

[Nexus]

Though I’m v bothered by an IC who isn’t playing like an IC should

What do you mean by this?

[Espeonage]

why?

I think Plat’s most likely partner is actually probably Invisibility?

I agree that, alone, Invis looks like mmmm probably more likely town than scum? But associations are lot stronger after a flip. Until then, I think it’s wisest to lynch someone we’re pretty sure is scum, then find their partner later

In response to klick, I re-read Isolato to see why I had been townreading the slot. If the reasoning was strong, I wouldn’t vote someone just off a somewhat scummy entrance. The reasoning for townreading Isolato was weak, though, so I voted. I’ve also learned I have a hard time disassociating votes on me from scumminess, though, so it was only with some distance that I could see how your entrance want enough for a vote

[Irrelephant11]

Weirdly enough, that completely doesn’t answer my question, but it does answer Nexus’! I know what I posted - it’s on you to answer my question in a clear way and explain your reasoning so newbies understand how that works. Your reasoning here is completely opaque and simply answering my question with a quote of my words is unhelpful.

You’ve also been lurky, not done the things you said you’d do, and have left newbies with questions to players like teacher to help. I’m getting closer and closer every time you post to policy lynching you for being so unclear and unhelpful to town.

Nexus if you’re gonna post please post the response to my question that you said you’d answer

[teacher]

Plat: Do you scumread Stun? Why? Who are you willing to move to since that lynch isnt happening?

Invis/Xander: I expect your next posts to have votes. Town needs to start moving to a lynch.

Espe: List?

Nexus: Likewise. Why do you town Xander? What are your thoughts outside youre current tunnel?

[Espeonage]

"I think Plat’s most likely partner is actually probably Invisibility?" Assumes knowledge that Plat is scum.

There's a chance it's just a formatting thing, but this is really poorly worded if coming from town.

[Espeonage]

teacher - Probs town
stungun0404 - I get this guy and Xander mixed up and even with both of their posts combining in my head I still can't think of a single thing they have done without actually going back.
Klick - Good intro, but it's stupid small sample size of content.
Irrelephant11 - Top pick for scums.
platfleece - Eh, I hate pre flip associatives, townie pile individually, a good player to flip later for info.
Xander - See stungun
Nexus - Gonna need time to nail this with any certainty. I understand the stances but naturally don't agree. Hard to sort, not in lynch pool though.
Invisibility - number of random as fuck town reads was disconcerting but in the absence of solid reads I'll say that my logic says scum who know them would probably tell the truth on the slot so chances are it's town.

[Espeonage]

Also elephant, completely not game related. But there are infinite ways to play mafia. Poking, prodding, making people mad on purpose, setting traps, etc are all things that can be very effective scum hunting tools. As are posting wall posts, analysing posts in micro as opposed to macro, and more time consuming ways of playing.

I am time poor, and unmotivated to be that scientific.

Playstyle is not what makes an IC. Answering theory, presenting ideas, working on newbie retention, and avoiding confusion are. If my play style changed when I was IC that would be when I am not playing like an IC should.

I will admit my activity has been patchy, and I am sorry about that. But I'm not going to change how I play because other people aren't posting either. I, as a player, do not thrive in that environment.

[Irrelephant11]

Espeonage,

teacher asked me who I thought was plat's most likely partner if plat is scum

That was my answer, and that's why it assumes plat!scum.
Read the thread?

If you're worried about plat being scum with me, go ahead and vote plat. I would gladly lynch plat today, as I have said, as he is in my PoE scum lynchpool.

I'm not asking you to play differently than you normally do - I'm asking you to play. Quoting my words back to me without explanation is not being a helpful IC. I recognize that some players intentionally choose to play quietly, but as far as I understand that is less acceptable as IC, as it's your job to also show how to make a good case, argue well, etc. Whatever, these are my last thoughts on this, I'll stop filling the thread with this and leave it for post-game review.

[Irrelephant11]

We need to have time to let today's lynch claim if need be, so everyone who's not voting plat, nexus, or me, please move your vote. Also, everyone voting me, I'm town and I refuse to let you do scum's dirty work for them by removing me from the game when there were multiple RL days that I was 1/2 the active playerlist.

Espeonage, why is Klick's intro good? Also, what has changed your mind on plat? You said something about him feeling genuine - what gave you that impression? After re-reading stungun and xander (their ISOs are short so it won't take much time), how do you read them?

Also, am I seriously the only player you scumread rn?

[Irrelephant11]

Like if you think I'm scum at least case me

[Invisibility]

copy and pasting the player list is a fun activity
teacher - town
stungun0404 - likely town
Klick - slight townlean
Irrelephant11 - townlean
platfleece - probably town due to little resistance thing
Xander - likely town
Nexus - null
Invisibility - kills puppies
Espeonage (IC) - unsure

PoE: VOTE: Nexus

[Nexus]

boourns

[Nexus]

Nexus are you scumreading plat and este only in conjunction with each other or are you scum reading each of them individually

A very good question.

When I get home from work I will have an answer for you

i was scumreading them together. i am now scumreading espe more than plat.

unboat vote Espe

SUCH A BULLSHIT WAGON.

[Nexus]

Nexus: Likewise. Why do you town Xander? What are your thoughts outside youre current tunnel?

I am not a tunnel.

I will probably make some thoughts on other people. Klick seems okay.

[Irrelephant11]

the wagon on you is bull, you mean? What do you make of teacher's case?

[Nexus]

My wagon is bullshit. The case is pretty poor but good for him I guess

[Nexus]

I'm also not a huge fan of you determining Nexus's alignment with so little interaction with Nexus himself.

I've tried, both directly and indirectly.

Indirectly, I encouraged Xander to question Nexus immediately after their arrival, in 171. No luck.

Directly, I questioned Nexus about their Xander read in 217. No response.

I also tried directly again in 261, only to get 263's empty cheerleading (without any further explanation) back.

You yourself had already questioned Nexus about the plat-espe point in 185, so I didnt need to.

Simply searching the game for Nexus will show that you and I tried to engage the slot multiple times, with us each having equal number of direct questions (2). I dont think its fair to say Ive had so little interaction. Regardless, it is fair to say the slot has never been engaged.

Engagement is relative. This is me being engaged. I don't think I need to defend myself all of the time bc I know I'm town af.

Here, it is the same basic theory, and centers on the fact that Nexus pushed Plat+Espe together. For about a week, since 154 at the latest (and more likely starting two pages before that), Plat and Espe have been the leading wagons. But, as Elephant already explained in 143 and 144, Plat and Espe are UNLIKELY (but possible) to be the scumteam. Nonetheless, Nexus pushes them both together in 165 and 186. That to me feels like scum advancing either or both of two mislynches in a way that does not attract much attention since the views on both slots (in isolation) are accepted. Same with 249 and 263 – both just feel like mislynch cheerleading.

This is patently wrong. I don't care about who is the leading wagon - I want to lynch scum. It just so happened that the leading two wagons were who I thought was scum. Now you've got a leading wagon on town (me) and you've let the scum wriggle free.

[Nexus]

tbh I sometimes just read the thread on my phone and miss "points" against me. Don't take it personally.

[Irrelephant11]

I actually agree that teacher's case isn't stellar, as it depends on associational information that scum can screw with pretty easily, if they know what they're doing. Then again, you haven't really explained why you're scumreading the players you're scumreading, or much of your thought process at all aside from a few townreads. That's why I'm fine with voting you.

If it hasn't already been asked, why do you scumread espe? I'm not loving the slot myself, but I've been attributing most of it to bad townplay, rather than scumplay. Why are they scum?

[Klick]

Irrelephant, after Nexus answers that, could you explain why you read Espe as (bad) town?

[Nexus]

Idk he just seems like he is treading water and it’s just very underwhelming

[teacher]

Im fine with Nexus or with Espe TBH. We need to get to L-1.

[Irrelephant11]

Shut so sorry everyone. Mafia was on a total backburner the past few days and it got away from me. I'm on a train rn, but I'll get a proper intro post ready this evening.

For now. Hi I am your IC which means I have played for a bit and know the ropes, hopefully well enough to help with any general questions.

Sorry I get some bad news today after saying I'd post.

Bc I checked the vote count and thought I already had days ago.

these sorts of things have left me mentally excusing Espeonage for what comes across as skimming the thread and only ever making light pushes. Unimpressive play = bad, excusable = town.

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah upon re-read I definitely see the "treading water" scumcase.

What do you have to say in your defense Invisibility?

This is a tad forced but eh. Very early.

Thinks something is scummy but immediately backs off,

-snip -

Very much depends on the playerlist and momentum of the game.

I think this game really just needs a good argument, but there's nothing really jumping yet.

Wants an argument or productive conversation, but doesn't start one,

Not really any reads I believe in.

I don't understand the second question.

Doesn't offer any reads when asked,

Vote: Plat

Still reads as an opportunistic vote,

From 217: @Esp: All game youve denied having scumreads. But youre going to have to lynch someone. Who is your compromise pool and why?

Working on it. I might even do a list.

"Compromise pool" ended up being just me, a talkative player who is starting arguments & pushing people to give reads/play mafia,

"I think Plat’s most likely partner is actually probably Invisibility?" Assumes knowledge that Plat is scum.

There's a chance it's just a formatting thing, but this is really poorly worded if coming from town.

Misrepresents my words, maybe deliberately.

VOTE: Espeonage