Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[teacher]

My current read of skitter is 60% town.

Do you use a 50 or a 75 baseline?

[teacher]

And what made it go up or down?

[skitter30]

teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR

i'm actaully not sure scum, even newbscum, say this so blatantly in thread?

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No, my vote is bc skitt is conf!scum actually

That's a whole different matter then.

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: skitter30

lol i think they believed this

yeah, that's the bit i'm having trouble following;

@fakran in your previous site were n0 guilties a thing?

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Hey teacher, you’re like 1/2 on reading me so far, do you think you’ll have a better or worse percentage after this game?

um what's the point of this question?

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Spammy and menalque - talk to me about the fark early town? I’ve got a double thread greeting and an omgus. I like the activity but don’t see it rising above null. Why do you?

good post

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I stand by teacher being the most suspicious atm.

why?

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ur "analysis" is pretty bad. yiu dont need to analyze

random

votes

eh, kinda disagree; in the early game that's basically all you have to work with so i think it's worth it to make a mountain out of a molehill in general to get the game out of rvs if necessary; this game doesnt' seem to be stuck in rvs tho lol

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Ehh, emps can be town

yes, i think this is a thing

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menalque with the fakran wagon at ~p5 would you have been ok with the day ending there?
I kinda feel like you were encouraging emps to l-1/hammer there.
and maybe it's just because i hadn't really posted yet but i feel like the day was not *nearly* ready to be over at that point
how were you reading fakran at that point?

[skitter30]

I understand that me being a newbie here could trigger the experts here into thinking i was genuinely believing some of the early rvs claims. I might have played poorly since i overlooked that possibility. However, try to stick to the facts and read my posts from both a town and a scum point of view, i believe you will learn more than you expect to.

idk what you're trying to say here

did you really think menalque had a n0 guilty on me?

[Farkran]

My current read of skitter is 60% town.

Do you use a 50 or a 75 baseline?

50 baseline

She went up based on my interpretation of her (currently) superficial analysis of the situation, which is to be expected since she has just entered the discussion and rushing to catch up over 10 pages of posts. If i were in her position, i'd also see myself as a desperate newbie scum, while people playing by the manual look way less suspicious.

I expect a more thoughtful analysis after she has actually put attention into what happened so far.

Also it's 3 AM here, bedtime for me, so i'm going to

UNVOTE:

for the time being and get back in several hours.

[Farkran]

I understand that me being a newbie here could trigger the experts here into thinking i was genuinely believing some of the early rvs claims. I might have played poorly since i overlooked that possibility. However, try to stick to the facts and read my posts from both a town and a scum point of view, i believe you will learn more than you expect to.

idk what you're trying to say here

did you really think menalque had a n0 guilty on me?

No i did not. It's not possible.

[Menalque]

65 is just me shooting the shit

I didn’t want the game to end, but I did want L-1. I had enough doubts that I wanted to see how fark would act under te there’s of hammer coming down, cause I don’t think the pressure is there at the same way for scum unless they’re thinking about the fact that lolhammering could see them die right there and significantly swing the odds in favour of town

You’ve played with me, I think you’ve seen me push people to vote before?

[skitter30]

L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

huh

this comes from town most of the time i think

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I kind of like Fark's recent posting, even if I am 50% mafia 50% town troll according to their reads post.

what do you like about it?

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L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

Lol, really? Ok.

I don't know if you were aware of your double vote, but hammer rushing is not just being aggressive, it's plain bandwagoning.

My town reading of you just went down to 40%

a) normally i would say that this sort of lacksadacksical response to the 'hammer' is kinda townie; i think scum are usually more survivalistic and would like freak out more here if they think they actually got hammered, but you're obviously p hyper-aware of the votes on you and knew you weren't hammered so i'm not sure this is a townie response in this context

b) what's the scum intent in that fakehammer?

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I'm kinda thinking exactly 1 scum in (farkran, emps)

? why emps ?

i still think he's p townie

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bleh fakran is like on this weird plane where i kinda hate all their posting but i can kinda see it coming from 'i'm just going to my thing and don't give a fuck about what you think about it' newbtown

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seleynee/Farkran

also what don't you like about seleynee?

No, but I always end up TRing skitt so I'm just pre-emptively putting her where she's gonna end up

lol this is a thing that's happening now

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That didn't look hammer testing to me. Claiming (or speaking at all) after being lynched is against the rules if i am not mistaken. That looked more like genuine rushy bandwagon.

a) you seemed to know that they were already on-wagon; why didn't it look like hammer-testing to you?
b) it's fine to speak after being lynched, until the mod 'flips' you and ends the day. that period of time between 'lynch' and 'day end' is called twilight, people can still speak then

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My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

[skitter30]

She went up based on my interpretation of her (currently) superficial analysis of the situation, which is to be expected since she has just entered the discussion and rushing to catch up over 10 pages of posts. If i were in her position, i'd also see myself as a desperate newbie scum, while people playing by the manual look way less suspicious.

in what way do you think my understanding is superficial?

No i did not. It's not possible.

ok, so why'd you vote me there?

[skitter30]

65 is just me shooting the shit

I didn’t want the game to end, but I did want L-1. I had enough doubts that I wanted to see how fark would act under te there’s of hammer coming down, cause I don’t think the pressure is there at the same way for scum unless they’re thinking about the fact that lolhammering could see them die right there and significantly swing the odds in favour of town

You’ve played with me, I think you’ve seen me push people to vote before?

wrt to 65 - it kinda looked like busy-work to me, like a question that's meant to look helpful and hunting-y but actually doesn't mean anything or go anywhere, but fair enough

i'm not sure i've seen you push someone to put someone at l-1 (/hammer) on p6 like this before, no

i don't think their reaction to the fake-hammer was great, tbh

[Sushi Martyr]

@ skitter: I was continuing RVS with my first posts because even though stuff like NMSA's townread of Farkran and the tone of people's first posts (bleh, tone) could technically be a discussion point, everything was still kind of in a grayish area for me and I didn't see the harm in keeping things more at a level of gathering info than trying to pretend like my first vibes were serious reads.

As for what I liked about Farkran's more recent posting, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it was just that it felt like they started doing more stuff in contrast to the awkward-ish page 1 posts.

[Menalque]

Re: emps. There’s just been something about the way he’s been tunnelled on fark that pings me a bit, like the whole thing feels a bit exaggerated to me? And I don’t remember him getting this locked in on someone in the town game we had, and I myself have been known to use the lock onto someone and tunnel them approach to get TR

Re: selynee. Honestly can’t remember. I liked the fakehammer, so prob her earlier posts, and also her backing off of the thread as it got more active, but that’s also easily explained by RL. If you want me to go through tomorrow and try to remember why I had her in scum, poke me and I’ll try to remember by looking back at her iso

Re: L-1. Hmm, maybe not. But then there’s also been cases where I would have but didn’t have the credibility, and this game felt active enough that I figured there might be enough folks posting to get a fakehammer off

[Sushi Martyr]

Also I'm trying to get better about being more casual when posting and not always feeling like I have to write a novel when I post, as long as people understand what I'm trying to say

[skitter30]

Movile posting so I'm gonna bevlazy, but Menalque and Creeper is my first guess.

My farkran read was a reaction test to see if anyone would go along, and Menalaue did.

Selynee is town tho for fakehammer. Teacher probtown, emps maybe town. Skitter is always town. I'm enjoying this game.

bolded is actually p townie

and i'm not *always* town lol, i just seem to roll town a lot, which is good because i really, really hate rolling scum

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gonna have to say that weakens my read on you a lil bit tbh NMSA, I thought we were mind melding

I think the newbie tell is bullshit site meta

i think that thought process/reaction-test, coupled with the carry-through on a read on someone else several pages and conversations later, is a townie one

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whats up with nmsa saying skitter is always town and menalque saying that he'll end up tring skitter

are they like really obivious as scum or do they always deepwolf/powerplay or smth

i have a nice banner next to my name

Skitter has a bit of a reputation. She rolls VT more than it is humanly possible. I'll assume she's town until I have an excellent reason not to.

i do tend to roll vt a lot, sure
this is an incredibly dumb, almost lazy, reason to townread me tho

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the numbers are sketchy and the sample size is not nearly big enough

sample size is p big actually

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Maybe the greeting tell was valid at one point, before someone made a thread in Mafia Discussion about it and people actually started using it in games. Now, if anything, I think it might be a very slight town tell. Of course, if it starts getting used in

that

way in games, soon scum will probably start doing it again and it'll flip back. So I'm just going to ignore it for now.

pedit: Since both of those are pretty bad reasons to TR Skitter, who only posted once to say she'd be posting later, I pretty much assumed neither was serious at this point.

i mean tbf i think the tell is still p decent on newbies who've never read MD given that, you know, they wouldn't have known about it

i actually think they both were serious

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Ask anyone about skitter, they'll back me up. Or

just read her gtkas, I think she talks about it in there

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idk if we should talk about this as it's from the speakeasy and I think it's kinda scummy to bring that up knowing that

this isn't scummy and i think it's scummy of you to frame it that way

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Interesting take. How do you think scum would have gone about faking a reaction test differently?

i don't think the reaction test would have necessarily, like, happened if he were scum

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He's bringing it up in support of something he's saying, but multiple people here won't have access I'm p sure, and I thought the rule was that we're not meant to talk about anything in speakeasy outside of it? So it's a way to say "hey, there's evidence for my claim" without it being verifiable/without it being something we should really be discussing, if my understanding of rules about everything in speakeasy is correct

i mean,

a) he said that i can verify it, that i've even posted about it in gtkas - the source of that info is right here and can verify if what he's said is true or not (i'm not sure if i actually posted it there but i've definitely said something of the sort in various places), so he's not really hiding something if i can like cross-reference it

b) so like i don't think he's deliberately hiding the source of his information

c) (aside) gtkas i'm p sure isn't in the speakeasy

d) i kinda feel like you're trying to find reasons to find nmsa scummy here; tbh this is p reachy to me

[skitter30]

i don't think emps is like exagerrated at all, i think he's just kinda like ~unfiltered~ and saying things as he thinks them

and the fact that he's saying the things that i'm thinking as i'm reading through is + town imo

i'll poke you on selynee tomorrow sure

@menalque

[skitter30]

Re: L-1. Hmm, maybe not. But then there’s also been cases where I would have but didn’t have the credibility, and this game felt active enough that I figured there might be enough folks posting to get a fakehammer off

were you at all worried about a real hammer going off?

like why did you think a fake-hammer was a thing that might happen there?

[NotMySpamAccount]

heyy skitter! it's been a while. my tr was in fact lazy, but it's early d1 and assuming you're town usually works out. In this case, I think it did, you sound pretty townie.

[skitter30]

I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake, since i genuinely thought speaking after having been lynched was going against the rules. I still think it should not be allowed: if you get lynched, you either prepared your testament in advance (like we used to do in old forum mafias through the [lastwill] command) or you go out silent. For this reason, i changed my mind on Selynee being townish.

can you repeat this? i'm not quite following your logic here

it was p obvious that selynee knew they were fake-hammering, and your immediate post thereafter seemed to recognize this too, given that you acknowledged they were already on wagon

like i don't understand the connection between what you wrote and how you're readign her

skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

i mean, i wouldn't say i was ~hiding~ behind v/la, i'm less active on weekends in general and the game was open for like ... fifteen hours before i had time to sit down and post

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This is the second time you've been defending skitter for... no reason at all, besides her being VLA.

yeah ngl this still weirds me out a bit

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wow, who knew that *not* being here and *not* posting could generate so much discusion lol

wrt the hiding thing i'm kinda getting the vibe that farkran wasn't using it in a pejorative/neagtive sense, maybe misused the word; i don't think he was actually accusing me of 'hiding' behind v/la tbh, even though that's the word he used, if that makes sense

that bit of teacher/farkran back-and-forth feels lik some kind of miscommunication i think
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With that said, i moved emps and Selynee down in my list of suspects.

Did Selynee know about the fakehammer? Perhaps. Sushi didn't notice it at first. I almost didn't notice it, but i wouldn't have said anything anyways.

again, at the time, you seem to recognize that it was a fakehammer so i don't understand why you're pushing her for bandwagoning/quickhammering given that you knew that she wasn't then

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teacher defending me feels weird

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hi hello welcome to the probably 20 ish posts case of fark

enter : backwards logic

"hey so i see everyone seems to be random voting. why are you random voting me?"

"i see you are trying to get imformation about my alignment, which is town motivated. now let me OMGUS you real quick."

this post is great lol

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Anything goes, as long as it makes sense and we can get something out of it. Menalque said skitt is confirmed scum. I'd like to verify.

what is this

why

what role gets a n0 guilty

well now they're saying they know this wasn't real so uh this was a p odd post

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all i see is weird and backwards logic and shade throwing

This is often town indicative. Scum has to be able to actually sell. Town, esp newb town, is truly paranoid and often jumps down the rabbit hole to twisted logic. I suppose hike Menalque has been trending down on fark, I’ve been trending the other way into building a consistent - if different - worldview.

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

um no, this isn't a thing that's happening rn
he's p obvtown
and i thought his 'i'm scumreading two of the above' post was great

and i wouldn't describe him as 'desperate' at all

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I think I’d say I’m kind of at:

Sushi, teacher, skitt (conditionally) all town

Selynee is pretty null

(Emps, fark)(NMSA, creeper) 1 scum in each prob

i don't understand the emps/fark pairing, nor the nmsa/creeper pairing; these groups feel p arbitrary to me

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Just gonna throw it out there now that I think skitt is gonna accuse me of buddying her and SR me for it

i mean given ~past events~ i'm not entirely surprised this is the approach you'd take for reading me
i'm not sure it's ai; i can see town!you realizing you have no idea how to read me (although i'm not sure defaulting to a townread is the correct way to handle the situation), and i can see you doing this as scum as a way to just like not have to 'read' me

[skitter30]

heyy skitter! it's been a while. my tr was in fact lazy, but it's early d1 and assuming you're town usually works out. In this case, I think it did, you sound pretty townie.

hey

you feel a lot more ~natural~ than the last time i've played with you; i think i'm tending town on you here

reads are something like:

{emps}
{nmsa, selynee}
{teacher, sushi}
{menalque, creeper}
{farkran}

let me check the vc before i vote

[skitter30]

the site keeps crashing for me, is this happening to anyone else?

[skitter30]

VOTE: farkfran

[EpicCreeper9002]

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

a) Discussion is what really brings out all of the posts people analyze. It's progressing the game in its purest form
b) Honestly I think the sheer amount of posts is getting to me and I haven't really looked into things. That's probably my fault
c) Mainly if there's a case of "oh I'm scum but I'm doing a townie thing look at me I'm town" (is there a name for this?)

The vote on emps was for reaction testing. He still leans town for me.
UNVOTE: emps

I do have a lot of experience with (chat) mafia but that doesn't mean I'm good at it haha. In other words, don't ask me what I'm doing because I don't know either

I'll see you all tomorrow. (Real life tomorrow, not game tomorrow)

Now "tomorrow" doesn't look like a word. Dang it.

[NotMySpamAccount]

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

[emps]

Re: emps. There’s just been something about the way he’s been tunnelled on fark that pings me a bit, like the whole thing feels a bit exaggerated to me? And I don’t remember him getting this locked in on someone in the town game we had, and I myself have been known to use the lock onto someone and tunnel them approach to get TR

Re: selynee. Honestly can’t remember. I liked the fakehammer, so prob her earlier posts, and also her backing off of the thread as it got more active, but that’s also easily explained by RL. If you want me to go through tomorrow and try to remember why I had her in scum, poke me and I’ll try to remember by looking back at her iso

Re: L-1. Hmm, maybe not. But then there’s also been cases where I would have but didn’t have the credibility, and this game felt active enough that I figured there might be enough folks posting to get a fakehammer off

im pressuring him and trying to ask him questions and then he comes at me with some backwards logic, a blatant misrep, or ignores my question.

what do you want me to do? say "fuck it hes town for doing nothing townie whatsoever"

[emps]

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy