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tl;dr, hoopla makes nothing posts, provides no reads, and is happy to jump on any wagon that forms to get a lynch.

VC is heavily delayed as I try to get curtains and stuff up in my apartment. Taking much longer than expected because I am bad at this

ikea shit sucks

Aw fuck, coffee drank and now I need to bust out the notepad. I gots a theory, here folks.

hopefully its better than, "you don't like town hunting, therefore you don't know what town hunting is"

ohhh, before I forget before lunch. Anyone asking about my fake claim d2 lynch will not get an answer to further questions. I have explained multiple times. I am not advocating to lynch the guy for the meme claim. End of story.

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:why are you voting for a wagon that is in part produced by people who have no reason for voting for them?

At this point the wagon was me and agar for similar reasons that are in the thread? Where did you think my vote was

In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:Who are the the 1-2 scum in here?

If I had to start somewhere, I guess I'd be looking first in notscience /renaissance/gypyx.
I have a feeling Hoopla might be town, but is just overeager to townbin people right now.
And these are the three I'm most interested in myself.

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:fishing for meta reasons to dismiss the traitor wierdness as being scummy. THis is basically offering up a softball for him to hit out of the park. THis is the opposite of scum hunting.

This x10.
CooLDoG is my favorite townlean so far anyway.

In post 248, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 227, Hiraki wrote:the traitor stuff is really dumb and just proves the Gypyx is probably a newbie after all who read the wiki to make himself smarter

Exactly the opposite IMO!

Had he read about traitors, he wouldn't just ask "how common they are". He would know the roles normal guidelines and that's all that matters.

Strange that you assume that if he's read about traitors, he'd know about normal guidelines or how common traitors are, which are two entirely different topics.

CooLDoG we are going to run these scumboys into the GROUND

In post 299, gobbledygook wrote:I said I had very different reads than everyone.

Like I said, my CoolDog read is conditioned upon something.

Ooo, withholding secret reads. My favourite.

In post 334, renaissance wrote:Strange that you assume that if he's read about traitors, he'd know about normal guidelines or how common traitors are, which are two entirely different topics.

That is how the Mafiascum-wiki is built.
Every role has a very visible and obvious section for "Normal guidelines".
So yea, I think it would be a fair assumption if someone goes to the wiki to learn something for a Normal game, that they'd also check the "normal guidelines" for it.

The rarity of it all is a different thing - hence why I asked him why he thought it was a valid question to ask how common they are.
He could've just as well moved straight to his actual post in:

In post 161, Gypyx wrote:

In post 65, Emperor flippyNips wrote:are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

well then, this post looks really weird to me, might be another one of Flippy's joke posts, but it really stands out in his ISO

The first post to mention a Traitor is always the one that starts the discussion and sort of "allows" everyone else to use the word with a non-scummy context.

if a traitor flips, we are power lynching gyphix period.

In post 333, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:fishing for meta reasons to dismiss the traitor wierdness as being scummy. THis is basically offering up a softball for him to hit out of the park. THis is the opposite of scum hunting.

This x10.
CooLDoG is my favorite townlean so far anyway.

How? It's the definition of scum hunting. If Gypx has never played with traitors before or gives an unreasonable explanation for where he's heard of them, that is scummy. If he's played with one before, his paranoia is a lot more plausible and that is towny.

actually, I'ma gonna take that back. This is the first mention of traitor

In post 157, Gypyx wrote:also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

And this is the trademarked, "conf scum post, post"

In post 190, Gypyx wrote:

In post 163, Emperor flippyNips wrote:

In post 161, Gypyx wrote:

In post 65, Emperor flippyNips wrote:are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

well then, this post looks really weird to me, might be another one of Flippy's joke posts, but it really stands out in his ISO

It’s not my fault them buddying up on page 2 or 3 looked bad to me

Sorry I think you don't get my point, what i'm saying is that this post really feels like you're a mafia traitor trying to reveal yourself to your team, and i may be overthinking this, but the punctuation is really weird too, like, each dot represting a mafia member and the dot next to a question mark represting the unknown mafia member (traitor therefore) makes a lot of sense to me

(I hope this answers the questions other guys had about that)

So, you got a noob asking about how likely a traitor is, then speculation about it. Not really that sure if fishing for the traitor, more trying traitor hunt on the assumption that there is one

In post 339, renaissance wrote:

In post 333, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:fishing for meta reasons to dismiss the traitor wierdness as being scummy. THis is basically offering up a softball for him to hit out of the park. THis is the opposite of scum hunting.

This x10.
CooLDoG is my favorite townlean so far anyway.

How? It's the definition of scum hunting. If Gypx has never played with traitors before or gives an unreasonable explanation for where he's heard of them, that is scummy. If he's played with one before, his paranoia is a lot more plausible and that is towny.

read the game thread dude. HE said he read through the wiki. THe wiki gives the impression that traitors are as common as docs, cops, roleblockers, and godfathers.

Granted, at this point I don't really know the meta role distribution since I have been away from the actual game for several years.

Warmcat what’s this in reference to?

In post 331, notscience wrote:

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:why are you voting for a wagon that is in part produced by people who have no reason for voting for them?

At this point the wagon was me and agar for similar reasons that are in the thread? Where did you think my vote was

In post 278, brassherald wrote:

Vote Count Day 1.05

CooLDoG (3):

Espeonage, renaissance, PranaDevil

Hoopla (3):

Emperor flippyNips, CooLDoG, Hiraki

Espeonage (2):

gobbledygook, LicketyQuickety

Gypyx(2):

AGar, notscience

gobbledygook (1):

Gypyx

notscience (1):

UnaBombaH

PranaDevil(1):

Hoopla

There are (expired on 2020-06-17 06:05:00) remaining in Day 1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area]
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IS THE VOTE COUNT WHEN HE MADE THAT POST...

In post 328, AGar wrote:Aw fuck, coffee drank and now I need to bust out the notepad. I gots a theory, here folks.

Notepad test failed. I still don't like Gypyx's traitor spec and I'm not sold on Gypyx town but I'm also wavering in my read because I remembered things in orders that they did not happen.

UNVOTE:

In post 282, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 279, AGar wrote:

In post 275, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 271, notscience wrote:Seconding the wtf on that rvs vote

It's not RVS.

Ok so what is it?

What has Espe done that has been Town outside of the claim? I'll wait.

Oh you're going to be a fucking joy to play with, aren't you.

In post 283, gobbledygook wrote:It’s curious to me that you’re on Gypyx when I think there’s a much better reason to be on Espeonage.

Yeah with your "scumhunting" style, I'm not gonna really buy into your hype. This looks a lot like trying to start up a bus.

In post 286, PranaDevil wrote:

In post 270, AGar wrote:

@Prana

why are you pushing dogshit angles off of a meme claim to chain some lynches bud?

Erm... I'm attacking CooLDoG who did that. Please re-read.

K but you're not. You're harping on exactly one post from the very beginning of the game. There's actually better reasons to go at CoolDog if you want to actually engage (Post #105, for example. Or #233. #325. I'll stop doig this for you now, your turn). I still don't see CD as scum, but that's because he's firmly in "Oh you're that kind of idiot" territory for me. CoolDog is why god invented vigs.

In post 313, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 311, Hoopla wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: licketyquickety

an uninspiring entrance to the game.

Oh, I'm just getting started.

Espe is Scum based on a tell where they are recreating a systematic way to play as Scum. I'd dig for the game, but I don't feel like it right now... It was a LONG time ago.

Oh nah, you need to present that kind of shit WITH the accusation homie.

In post 329, CooLDoG wrote:hopefully its better than, "you don't like town hunting, therefore you don't know what town hunting is"

Wow, how clever. It's almost like you don't understand the difference between objectivities and subjectivities! Let's just go with you're being obtuse intentionally and move on because I don't really feel like explaining objective vs. subjective to you.

In post 338, CooLDoG wrote:if a traitor flips, we are power lynching gyphix period.

k but nah. You don't run this town, you just get in line.

Anyways,

VOTE: gobbledygook

In post 331, notscience wrote:

In post 324, CooLDoG wrote:why are you voting for a wagon that is in part produced by people who have no reason for voting for them?

At this point the wagon was me and agar for similar reasons that are in the thread? Where did you think my vote was

So, yeah. THis post is a lie basically. Or just someone not know the vote count... either dumb or scum.

Wait are you saying that it’s useless to vote gyp until we have a traitor flip?

Pedit

Cooldog I literally have no clue what you’re getting at

I see. I think it's more likely he's actually a paranoid townie talking about some new role he's read up about rather than a traitor who crumbs in a very obvious and conspicuous manner. Surely there's far better ways to crumb traitor rather than just talking openly about traitors.

@Umbreon: You're right about the wiki layout, but why do you think knowing traitors are normal is the same thing as knowing "how common they are"? Something might be normal, but that doesn't tell you how often they're included by mods.

CD what the fuck are you even on?

Go grab a Snickers. You make less sense than normal when you're hungry.

@agar, so you think gobble is bussing gyphx, but you don't want to lynch gyphx.... hmmm... And your day scum read is based upon an association tell that hasn't barred fruit yet. great.

@renissance second post. THat is the correct interpretation of what I was saying.

AGar wrote:CD what the fuck are you even on?

Go grab a Snickers. You make less sense than normal when you're hungry.

I'm subjectivly high, objectivly I'm not on drugs. I was tlaking about this post:

In post 285, notscience wrote:I am tempted to move and make espe the leading wagon because Im not super stoked with either of the leading ones.

he said you were on the espe wagon, which you weren't/