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Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:19 pm**

In post 303, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@Andres - I see you think Icon is scummy and VP is town. You have any other reads?

See my last post above.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:19 pm**

andres ignoring me .

not a good start

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:24 pm**

In post 323, DkKoba wrote:why are they in your townpool lool

I can see that you disagree. To be honest, I don’t feel like explaining myself multiple times. It’s in my ISO. Definitely why I feel how I do about VPB and Testarossa is there. I also feel like Datisi has made a lot of valid points regarding Ico. It would be silly for me to ignore all of that.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:46 pm**

ok but why is testa town lmao

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:09 pm**

let's just say that if i had the power to investigate in a bracket of players, i'd think andres/NPOW/VP would have a solid chance of hitting Tea

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:11 pm**

I'm rereading the last couple of pages, and I can definitely see why people are screaming OMG ICO YOU OMGUS AAAA

I feel like I have solid reason for what I did, but it can be seen as an omgus, sure. What I don't get is that people scumread omgus for some reason? Omgus is one of those NAI things to push someone on, because it comes from town just as much as it comes from scum.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:13 pm**

In post 289, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 287, Iconeum wrote:
In post 285, Datisi wrote:
In post 283, Andresvmb wrote:Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?
voting someone purely because they voted you?
this is the definition of omgus

it's clearly not what i'm doing

and i'm extremely sick and tired of these misreps
When a player immediately votes back someone who is voting their slot, it very often gets looked at as OMGUS’ing because it is hard to see such a move as genuine. If I had to boil down my skepticism of your slot into one argument, it would be that.

I also find the constant appeal to emotion difficult to interpret. You appear “agitated” and angry or upset about how VPB and I are reading you. This is not constructive.

datisi was pretty accurate with it's read on me
i get agitated (which again is NAI for me) when I feel people are pushing me for (what I feel are) bad reasons. It's nothing personal, but it's one of my less attractive personality traits for sure.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:20 pm**

In post 273, Andresvmb wrote:I mean I was called as a huge fence sitter by Iconeum. This is the sort of thing that is typically reserved for players when they see a wagon building, have expressed a view that said player is Town, but they leave an opening to hop on to that wagon to ensure that Town is eliminated and not Scum.

Yes, as seen here:

In post 126, Andresvmb wrote:I find myself hard agreeing with most of what VP Baltar has already explained regarding Iconeum’s push on NPOM, which I thought was too much on what seemed to me as mildly defensive. So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me with the tone.

To me this reads like you want to share a townread on VP, but without committing. You leave the door open to scumread (and vote) him if opportunity presents itself.

Now, when you said I focused only on this post, and not your other posts, you are misrepping me. I made that post on you in 189. You barely had any other posts at that time, so I feel it was entirely justified to calling you out on what looks like you not wanting to form a solid opinion (ie. fencesitting).

Me otoh opened with a strong (seen by some as too strong) of a townread on GB. It leaves me very little wiggling room as scum, because of attention turns to GB I can't help mislynch him if i'm scum and he is town. But I made no such reservations. I saw it, and I called it out.

It was seen as scummy, I'm just calling it sorting players.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:22 pm**

In post 189, Iconeum wrote:
In post 126, Andresvmb wrote:I find myself hard agreeing with most of what VP Baltar has already explained regarding Iconeum’s push on NPOM, which I thought was too much on what seemed to me as mildly defensive. So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me with the tone.
and in case this is all a big ol' town brawl going on,
this is scum

and andres, I think you went over this post way too quickly. I saw you calling me out because I was *definite certain* you are scum. I'm not. And I didn't say that.

But if you only read the bolded here out of context, then I see how you came to that conclusion.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:23 pm**

In post 319, DkKoba wrote:
In post 310, Testarossa wrote:
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote: Let's get some more votes on Icon pls. Hellbrooks, testarossa, we got a live one over here.
Nah, still solidly town on Ico. :shrug:
Like my read is mostly based on my impression of his personality that he displayed so far and looks pretty consistent to me as he started with getting excited in finding a supposed towntell for GB and getting through that to an early scumread to push until getting hotheaded and genuinely annoyed that an illogical scumread (with which I agree with to a certain extent) was used to push him. Like he comes across to me as someone that would rather break through the wall then just run past it and this showed in his back and forth with you guys, while I still feel he is trying to resolve it like he was trying with NPOM, which looked like a townie approach to me. Stuff like omgus is rather nai, especially if it becomes emotional.
Also helps that I have warmed up to have Datisi as town, who seems to be strongly familiar with Ico, so him defending Ico gives me a bit reassurement here.

In post 241, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 186, Testarossa wrote: Not really away from NPOM, but I feel it's locking too much into NPOM/Icon and I don't really like Billy's posts or what he isn't doing atm.
Tell me more. I'm also interested in this.
The Ico/NPOM part or the Billy part?

If the former it felt to me that everyone was just focussing on that skirmish or to keep their noses out without looking offside of there imo. Like I don't think it was SvS, for that both sides seemed too annoyed. So either TvT that was befired by someone (or scum holding back) or TvS, but then only within you or NPOM imo. But I am not that sure about that anymore, NPOM recent posts were better and I am still around null with you, which might be because you were mainly involved with Ico so far. I just feel the situation was stagnating, which wouldn't necessarily make sense if one side has scum advantage.

As for Billy, I found his response pretty vague, his handling of NPOM still looks weird, but judgement is still holding out here. What triggered me more was him appearing again only to respond to critical posts towards him, like I get one just feel obligated to it, but that is actually something I see from scum too often. Didn't helped that he wasn't really trying to get reads on people or attempted to look for scum. After all he had the luxury to come late in to have already some juicy stuff at hand. Didn't know of the storm issue of course, but still that entrance was quite lackluster.

lol this post is scum i just cant explain it but its probably all the big complex epxlainations and big words that do it

what's wrong, is testa steering away from your desired mislynch?

also HI Dkkoba

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 pm**

Ico, let's put our differences aside. Get on this Billy wagon?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:31 pm**

I'm coming into today with a fresh mind and a clean slate, towards anyone willing to grant me the same.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:35 pm**

You only like people that are townreading you?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:37 pm**

In post 337, NoPowerOverMe wrote:You only like people that are townreading you?

what is this question supposed to accomplish?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:39 pm**

This isn't about liking people, right? I can get into heated arguments with players, like already happened in this game, but still like them. I've got no quarrel with anyone here (so far lol). Heated arguments are a part of the game, and they tend to happen to me more often then others.

Does that mean I don't like them? No.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:39 pm**

In post 336, Iconeum wrote:I'm coming into today with a fresh mind and a clean slate, towards anyone willing to grant me the same.

my fresh slate puts u as scum tho ))):

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:39 pm**

In post 335, VP Baltar wrote:Ico, let's put our differences aside. Get on this Billy wagon?

I don't really feel a scum!Billy actually.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:40 pm**

In post 340, DkKoba wrote:
In post 336, Iconeum wrote:I'm coming into today with a fresh mind and a clean slate, towards anyone willing to grant me the same.
my fresh slate puts u as scum tho ))):

Sure. Why?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:42 pm**

In post 341, Iconeum wrote:
In post 335, VP Baltar wrote:Ico, let's put our differences aside. Get on this Billy wagon?
I don't really feel a scum!Billy actually.

What has billy done that's town?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:43 pm**

who's jankofan

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:44 pm**

In post 343, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 341, Iconeum wrote:
In post 335, VP Baltar wrote:Ico, let's put our differences aside. Get on this Billy wagon?
I don't really feel a scum!Billy actually.
What has billy done that's town?

Don't get me wrong, I said I don't really see any good scum!billy indicators. That's not the same as townreading him.

I don't mind the pressure on him.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:46 pm**

Snowblaze is also probably town.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:50 pm**

In post 324, DkKoba wrote:also how many scum are in a mini normal cause this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal

pls some1 answer this

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:52 pm**

Here, from the top of my head:

1.Testarossa - Prob town. Can find myself agreeing a lot with this.
2.DkKoba JamSV - Null. Not sure if DK is still going full troll RVS, or trying to push my buttons. If actually serious about scumreading me i'd love to see an explanation.
3.Datisi - I'd love this to be town. Indicators are there for datisi to be town. Is somewhat invested already (good sign). Is sorting. Unfortunately there is also paranoia because Datisi knows how to handle me if she's scum.
4.Alduskkel - I don't remember reading a lot from this slot. Null.
5.Snowblaze - prob town, same as with Testa. I liked the question about VP's conclusion when pushing me, and has a clear town intent in that.
6.Iconeum - believe it or not, i'm actually town
7.VP Baltar - ehhhh. Benefit of the doubt.
8.GeorgeBailey - prob town.
9.Andresvmb - ehhhh. Benefit of the doubt
10.jankofan - who is this even
11.NoPowerOverMe - If i had a gun in hand, and was forced to use it, i'd probably shoot here. Very opportunistic play so far.
12.hellbooks - prob town. Don't remember a ton of posts, but was sorting earlier.
13.Billy Pilgrim - Tough. Billy usually scumreads me when I'm town. And I'd like to think i'm fairly hard in my town-meta, it's rough to see him townread me. But that can easily be something he learned from the past games. I don't see much scum motivated posts. If anyone scumreads here, they should post a case on why they think Billy is scum.

Yeap i'm lacking scumreads

For information purposes, NPOW would actually be a great lynch.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:53 pm**

In post 347, DkKoba wrote:
In post 324, DkKoba wrote:also how many scum are in a mini normal cause this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal
pls some1 answer this

i'd say 10v3

a quick scan thru the forum should prove this i suppose

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