Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[Andresvmb]

-Knowing that activity/engagement is a general towntell and thing you lack is one thing. ACTUALLY fixing it and ACTUALLY generating content quickly, coherently, and genuinely engaging based on that self-reflection knowledge is hard; harder for some than others. Like I know this is one thing that my scumgame lacks a lot (I also just suck at scum), but it doesn't mean that scum!me can just deliver the same confidence and "say whatever's on my mind" verbiage as town!me.
-So this is why I was curious of this and I don't think it's a bad question. If NS is sick enough to be aware of this meta AND bridge it effectively then that tells me a lot, and it also tells me a lot if he's like me and can't. Obviously Clarity hasn't flipped yet but let's just say she flipped scum; I think Nash's "theory" about scum!Clarity knowing about this activity/engagement towntell but actually finding it very difficult to genuinely interact shows parallels to what we're talking about.

That...actually explains a lot. Like why half your posts are weirdly laid back.

Being laid back is indicative of Scum because?

[Andresvmb]

I would say that Walter seems like Town to me so far. I see a Town mindset and some good probing and engaging.

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: Nash

Nash, why did you vote for yourself?

[Nash]

Plurshift?

Some sites/setups use a plurality of votes rather than a majority to determine eliminations. I'm assuming this means changing the leading wagon.

It does, yes.

Oh, right.

[Nash]

I think IV paired with TB or Andres are less likely than random

What makes you think this was less than random?

Spoiler: Andres

I guess townpoints to andres? he could’ve just not pointed it out?

This is an odd reason to townread someone because of the VC just above. I don't expect scum!IV to make the team too obvious this way in case of a flip. Too incautious.

Why? The point is simple. It’s not likely that a Scum Partner would so casually put you close to death like that. They would have been more careful. I’m not SR your slot (I can’t tell what you are yet), so I’m leaning towards caution.

Andres points out how a scum partner would be careful when the other is put close to death just as he switches over to TB without a reason. It's a bold move as his partner to make a self referential statement like this.

Spoiler: TB

lmao am I just casually at E-1

Should I claim?

curious whom you had in mind

lmao am I just casually at E-1

Should I claim?

curious whom you had in mind

like what role I was thinking about claiming?

was that bait

oh I thought you were asking me what role I was thinking of claiming huehuehue (probably Cop or JK, that’ll always get a nice PR to go down with me). If I was scum. If I was town probably just my actual role or whatever

Nah I was just curious if people wanted me to claim because I was at E-1 and that’s what you’re supposed to do at E-1

now I don't know if you're still doing it

This interaction doesn't strike me as scum-scum.

I don’t think it’s a bold move to say any of the things I’ve said so far. If anything I felt my statement was somewhat obvious - Scum Partners aren’t likely to put each other close to death in a game with 2 Scum so early in D1 without even considering the vote count or trying to get as much Town cred as possible by making a show of it.

Yeah, I meant that if you were aware of that and are IV's partner, you would have been cautious about the revote.

[Nash]

VOTE: Bellaphant

Just my early guess. I can’t see a lot of what’s in 272. Hence, my vote.

Can you be more specific?

[Nash]

VOTE: Nash

Nash, why did you vote for yourself?

Idk, I was bored.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Bellaphant

Just my early guess. I can’t see a lot of what’s in 272. Hence, my vote.

Can you be more specific?

I was in my immediate next post. I certainly can’t say either way what your alignment is Nash and I have a hard time seeing how anyone can argue that you’re a strong TR. That’s what made me most skeptical.

[Bellaphant]

I had a whole convo with IV about how it isn't a 'strong' read though. It kinda looks like you are parroting iv a few days late without taking the pages since Into context. I'm not sure why you think my town reading a town-ish looking post is the thing most deserving of a vote this game.

My vote was mostly pressure but now it's serious.

[notscience]

Bulge where's your head at this game

[Andresvmb]

I had a whole convo with IV about how it isn't a 'strong' read though. It kinda looks like you are parroting iv a few days late without taking the pages since Into context. I'm not sure why you think my town reading a town-ish looking post is the thing most deserving of a vote this game.

My vote was mostly pressure but now it's serious.

Let me see if I’m understanding you correctly. You take the time to point to all of the hedging that you did after you called Nash “pretty Town”, in essence reinforcing my point, but then you harden your stance on my slot? Is that correct?

[Andresvmb]

And why shouldn’t anyone read your retort in 333 as a bit OMGUS’y?

I was pointing at things that I stood out to me. I am not parroting anybody.

[Andresvmb]

Town points to IV for pointing that out now that I look at that page more closely.

[Andresvmb]

I ISO’ed Clarity really quickly. I had Clarity as Lean Scum at first but I feel bad about that read now. Clarity is a bit null to positive for me. The vote on me via process of elimination I can’t really object to (though I would be interested in them maybe expanding on what you think has been Towny from Bellaphant and The Bulge), and otherwise they seem to be trying to figure out the game.

[The Bulge]

@bulge, because I asked to chat, you asked me my reads, said you basically agreed but then didn't respond more and are still voting me? I think it's natural to assume you still want to work things through with me. Dunno why you are on about gladiate?

I kind of asked our the same question and the response wasn't great.

I meant more like what specifically, if anything that I said, made you think I had a followup. I'm certainly not done interacting with you this game. the Gladiator comment reads a little snarkier than I intended but idk. first you prompted me to engage with you, for your benefit as you said (granted, I had expressed that I was feeling unengaged-with). which I did. I felt our exchange ended on a pretty natural note, not to say that I ever consciously thought "im going to stop responding to bella now", just that there were no loose ends. so it surprised me to see you acting like we had unresolved business from those couple posts or like I had weaseled out of our interaction.

Bulge where's your head at this game

right now I'm a little stuck on my wagon but im not sure where else to look. i don't like how bella said she could vote me in 193 and then put a pretend vote on iv, and now she is vaguely casting suspicion on the fact that I... didn't post yesterday afternoon? twice now she has thrown barely commital FOS when there were already votes on me and it feels like an attempt to orchestrate a wagon of newbies from the sidelines and then justify a hammer.

[The Bulge]

rn tho I think I will let andres keep posting

[Andresvmb]

@Nash are you still bored?

[Andresvmb]

@The Bulge you should keep posting. Why was I SR you again? Whatever it was I was probably wrong.

[Andresvmb]

Ah I mean you expressed a solid read on Clarity. Meh the vote is fine I wouldn’t have called that a solid SR anyway.

[Andresvmb]

At this stage I think {Nash, Bellaphant} is where I want to focus my energy on. Nash’s posting seems too detached, and I’m not seeing any genuine interest to figure out anyone’s alignment. Not that boredom can really give away anyone’s alignment - I did call the game a bland read. But Nash sounds smart to me, right? Comments about how one player is “less likely than random” to be Partner’s with another player usually come from experienced players with some sway. Yet I’m seeing no hard stances almost, nothing juicy. There’s already a lot of players highlighting Nash’s agreeableness. I’m 100% with them. Being safe is what I expect Scum to be doing here. Give me a reason to TR Nash.

[Andresvmb]

^TR you Nash*

[Bellaphant]

Bulge, I think we are both picking up tension that doesn't exist? I can see what you are saying but I think you r read things from Me as more aggressive than they are.

[WaltertheDunce10]

IV, What is your take on Andres now? you said you don't hate an Andres vote and that it seemed suspicious.
Andres has both of his investigate pushes from 344 on his wagon.
Bella, what made you originally vote for Andres?

[innocentvillager]

I TR Our Walter NS Bulge this game I think in that order

Irdk about Relephant

Scumpool is Andres Clarity Nash

[innocentvillager]

I scumread Nash’s self vote for example but I don’t want to explain why