In post 323, Almost50 wrote:I initially thought I should push PP w/o outing and see who does what, but that elimination on Dong made me think scum could very well force another miselimination today.
ALSO, I agree the Doc should NOT out today. Not just because I'd need them to protect me tonight. but also because dsjstr!'s logic has some merit to it. PP could have very well holstered, but NOT to out the Doc. It was to make ot harder for us to eliminate him today (we need all 4 town votes on him rather than "all" 3 town votes if he had killed someone_. I am not saying I 100% believe he did that, but I'm saying it's not too out of his character.
P.S. If that is true (PP holstered) I'd consider that to be a guilty on BP already. These were the two I was pushing (in addition to Nona) and if BP was Town PP could have very well tried to push him.
P.P.S. I don't think scum!Nona would open the day stating both scum were on the wagon. I am leaning Town on her now.
Over and out.
Ok this is interesting. I'm inclined to believe this as I dont think that scum A50 would get into an unnecessary 1v1 out the gate in MELO.
That said, is there a CC? I'm not counter-claiming. And if this is real and he caught the roleblocker then this is great.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:55 am
by Almost50
Then why aren't you voting PP?? I am either the Cop or I am scum, which would mean Scum can't quick hammer.
P.S. I'd LOVE for someone to CC. It would -at least- clear you.
Dude, wtf? You're not gonna wait until everyone's checked in to see if there's a CC? Like I could do that, because even if A50 was scum there would still be a townie needed to mis-elim. But if you're town, then any scum could pull this off and it may be nice to see where people are at rather than cut the day short.
Neither dsj nor Nona have weighed in since the initial claim. So there are 3 people that haven't weighed in since A50's claim. Not sure why you've limited it to 1 other option.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:48 am
by Lost
i don't see a50-scum coming up with a fakeclaim gambit as his d2 entry.
plus between all your cc options, the only cc i would consider is dsj's, but i highly doubt this is dsj-cop & a50-scum going on.
if nona cc'd then it's pp/nona
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:49 am
by Lost
peng has also been posting elsewhere and not here
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:05 am
by Almost50
@BP: I'm nor gonna accuse you of anything (i.e. not gonna call you conf-scum because of this) but.. dude. That crumb is a TRADE MARK of mine, I don't even know how PP missed it.
But, OK.. let's just say you're being too careful. Nothing wrong with that.
Cool, so we've got a guilty on PP (PP was the CC i would have been least likely to believe.) The result coupled with the elitell makes it even more likely that its just a guilty and he's trying not to spew associatives. Now it makes sense to look for potential associatives.
If PP is the roleblocker than we get a result tomorrow, so great. If he's not then we won't get a result. Now his three D1 trs were me, A50, and Joc/dsj, and he said his preference was for Nona. Now the A50 tr wasn't a partner and im not his partner. Does anyone have PP scum meta on whether he trs his partners or distances? Because I tr'd Joc, but I also find it weird that he would tr 3 townies, but I guess there's wifom. Also he didn't know he was gonna get guiltied so there is the possibility that he figured those associative wouldn't get revealed.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:42 am
by Billy Pilgrim
Ok most recent game i checked from scum Pemguin was noir mafia. He RVS'd outside his partner but then seemed to just stay on his partner during D2 and D3 and was on one of his partners with his first serious vote, so that probably weighs a bit more in favor of Nona scum. Also, he only threw out one townpool that game of 3 people and all three were town, so I think that probably builds on my Joc/dsj townread.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:50 am
by PenguinPower
In post 337, Almost50 wrote:@BP: I'm nor gonna accuse you of anything (i.e. not gonna call you conf-scum because of this) but.. dude. That crumb is a TRADE MARK of mine, I don't even know how PP missed it.
But, OK.. let's just say you're being too careful. Nothing wrong with that.
I didn't on re-read. I was supposed to kill you but there was a timing issue.
In post 337, Almost50 wrote:@BP: I'm nor gonna accuse you of anything (i.e. not gonna call you conf-scum because of this) but.. dude. That crumb is a TRADE MARK of mine, I don't even know how PP missed it.
But, OK.. let's just say you're being too careful. Nothing wrong with that.
I didn't on re-read. I was supposed to kill you but there was a timing issue.
Now of course this is very likely to be wifom, but this suggests that maybe he holstered. Also, this is why I dont understand why people crumb their damn roles.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:21 am
by Billy Pilgrim
Regardless doc shouldn't claim target. Because if so our cop is dead. Otherwise he's stuck keeping the cop alive to 4p M-ELO
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:36 am
by dsjstr
I'm ready to vote PP
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:42 am
by Almost50
Hmm.. I am surprised.. would even say I am shocked, but BP's last 3-4 posts do show a townie mindset. I must've overlooked something or I may have cleared someone too soon (Hint: Evidently that wasn't Dong, so probably someone who objected to the clear on Dong).
OK, so it's probably Lost > Joq iirc?? Actually Lost >>> Joq, because my reason to have TR's Lost was much weaker than that why I TR'd Joq, AND because I am leaning that Dong elimination would not have gone through without BOTH scum being on it.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:55 am
by Billy Pilgrim
In post 346, Almost50 wrote:Hmm.. I am surprised.. would even say I am shocked, but BP's last 3-4 posts do show a townie mindset. I must've overlooked something or I may have cleared someone too soon (Hint: Evidently that wasn't Dong, so probably someone who objected to the clear on Dong).
OK, so it's probably Lost > Joq iirc?? Actually Lost >>> Joq, because my reason to have TR's Lost was much weaker than that why I TR'd Joq, AND because I am leaning that Dong elimination would not have gone through without BOTH scum being on it.
I think Joc/dsj is town. Im between Nona and Lost and I'd like to know why you think both would have to be on that wagon for it to have gone through given how weird that wagon went down.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:06 am
by Almost50
Because I showed why he was TOWN in my PoV, and was pressured to lower my TR confidence on him, then he was voted to oblivion still. "Someone" wanted him dead. Nona could sure be PPs partner still, as I now realized she made her declaration both scum were on the wagon before I outed my guilty on PP, so probably expected herself to have been checked and went for some WIFOM, maybe?
Yeah, I'd still want to check between her and Lost, except if she is the RB and not PP then I won't be getting a result anyway, but I'm 95% confident if we kill them both the Town wins anyway.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:46 am
by Billy Pilgrim
In post 348, Almost50 wrote:Because I showed why he was TOWN in my PoV, and was pressured to lower my TR confidence on him, then he was voted to oblivion still. "Someone" wanted him dead. Nona could sure be PPs partner still, as I now realized she made her declaration both scum were on the wagon before I outed my guilty on PP, so probably expected herself to have been checked and went for some WIFOM, maybe?
Yeah, I'd still want to check between her and Lost, except if she is the RB and not PP then I won't be getting a result anyway, but I'm 95% confident if we kill them both the Town wins anyway.
We can't do this by PoE. One M-Elim and we lose for sure unless PP is the roleblocker in which case we may have an extra elim.
That crumb is a TRADE MARK of mine, I don't even know how PP missed it.