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Thanks for the review, Seeds! (Is "Seeds" okay, or do you prefer a different shortform name?)

Your towncase on SAMCRO is illuminating, specifically the townslip implication in #213. I think it's because I've been hype about one of the scum slots being narrowed down to either Creative or SAMCRO in my eyes, so I was seeing everything they said as suspicious. I don't get to have such a level of confidence this early in a game, usually. That might actually be why you're scared of me; I wasn't picking up on town signals, which is just plain bad play from me.

In post 320, six pomegranate seeds wrote:I also have a sense that there may be resistance to my push Skitter seems like a player that others will be intimidated from voting especially on day 2 but in my experience when you are town you have to vote with courage and can't just default to easy votes and my read of the game rn is Skitter scum. I may be TRing a mafia at present tbh but its okay. I just get a sinking feeling that voting between creative and samcro right now is exactly how town loses this game and I want to see Skitter flip scum and then go giggling off into the night .

So skitter, did you kill T3 last night because you PR read them or because they sussed you and would have defended against your shit push on Samcro? What's up?

Voting Skitter is a hot take, but I can see how you got it, given your scumcase on her. I still think Skitter is town, but it's just a gut feeling from posts like #207, not based on any actual evidence or anything.

If we're talking about voting with courage, though...you've pointed out SAMCRO's town slip, so I gotta VOTE: CreativeName. I'm still scumreading him from the Pooky event, and he retaliated on SAMCRO's accusation with great prejudice; this is why I think at least one of them must be scum.

Mod, six pomegranate seeds voted for Skitter.

Hello all! I'm town, catching up as fast as I can.
I read the first 100 posts, and I have 2 reads that are feeling pretty solid.
Kazyan town - I really liked post #51, and #71 Kazyan seems to be feeling the exact same as me.
Creative maf - Knowing Pooky was town, post #55 really does not scream town to me, and the rest of Creative's lines feel like they're coming from a place of like knowing mafia?? idk how to explain, tone feels weird

I'm currently at a weird spot with Wheme. #91 Wheme calls Creative obv town, when I really didn't think Creative was?? #96 Wheme was like "ok maybe not" that also felt a bit weird idk.

I know I have a lot more to read, but figured I'd throw some thoughts out real quick (they may change in the next 200 posts)

In post 328, Kazyan wrote:Mod, six pomegranate seeds voted for Skitter.

In post 329, Andante wrote:I'm currently at a weird spot with Wheme. #91 Wheme calls Creative obv town, when I really didn't think Creative was?? #96 Wheme was like "ok maybe not" that also felt a bit weird idk.

I believe that was when i didn't want to explain my reasonings. Makes sense for it to be weird.

Also welcome Seeds and Andante!

In post 324, CreativeName wrote:If not voting Samcro, wheme is acting unlike an SE or feels like he is trying to draw out a day where town is doing nothing

How am I drawing out a day when we needed 2 replacments?

So my issue with Seeds is I always townread wall posts for 0 reason so I basically townread seeds but I also share very similar reads with seeds, I would probalby change skitter's/creatives spot

I also hate reading wall posts and I end up always scimming them

We needed replacements but you wouldn't let the replacements join at night? why would we need them to join during day, just elim and they can join during the night phase

Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

In post 324, CreativeName wrote:I have seen one of her recent games as scum and she seemed to act different, less serious and more layed back, it's less likely skitter is scum, I feel strongly that it's samcro since pooky did call him out as being "mafia or misguided" and I think samcro is a strong player and not misguided, and sam is pushing skitter hard too, it's unlikely it's a bus so in my eyes samcro is scum and spewed skitter town

If you look samcro was sussing me and skitter when we were not sussing him after he did a full 180 on pooky

If not voting Samcro, wheme is acting unlike an SE or feels like he is trying to draw out a day where town is doing nothing

Is this not Samcro's first game? I thought they were a newbie. Their join date is 2/24.

In any case - do you seriously think Samcro would be so convinced you are mafia he would nakedly open wolf and vote to eliminate a player he thought was town? I don't know maybe I am using the too scummy to be scum argument which is not a good argument. But he has so many town ping quotes over the course of the game - the level of proactivity and aggression he had in calling you out on day 1 are not common for a newbie mafia. #218, #269, #270, #272, #274, #275, #278 all ping super town. As does claiming VT frame 1. I am telling you I am not willing vote vote samcro today - I will defend him to the death. Only if skitter or you were to become confirmed town would I agree.

I can't say that I've ever played with any of you so I have no way to meta read skitter. But I think her susses feel off and she is pushing one of my strong TRs. She lives through N2 over a newbie who sussed her and TR samcro. I think creative if you are really town I would say that you should learn to pay attention to these details, strong players rarely give themselves away by how much effort or how serious they seem to be playing unless they just don’t feel like trying as mafia.

But since you guys have seemed to have played with skitter, what is skitter like as scum? I am just assuming they would be a very strong scum from their signature, and imo strong scum tend to play similarly. And being laid back is not something strong scum tend to do too often.

I am not going to allow you guys to vote samcro today, I am convinced that is a miselim and i will defend him to the death. If I am a total fool, then I am a total fool - but I’m not going to let you guys vote my TR.

In post 336, CreativeName wrote:We needed replacements but you wouldn't let the replacements join at night? why would we need them to join during day, just elim and they can join during the night phase

Because its better for them to join during the day so we get content out of the slots.

In post 338, six pomegranate seeds wrote:Is this not Samcro's first game? I thought they were a newbie. Their join date is 2/24.

I think Creative is talkign about Skitter

Ok, I am all caught up now. I'm pretty sure the 2/3 for maf is Griff/seeds, skitter, creative

I know yall have gotten nothing from my slot, so I'll do my best to be easy to read

I personally see 0 reason to post line by line everything like seeds just did, and I was already sus for grif.

I felt #311 was a really weird line, nothing griff did struck me as super towny

Also griff (seed's predecessor) did just "go with everyone else" which now I think about it doesn't seem townish, #213 is not a townslip, how is forgetting that a game that just had D1 end just two days ago a town slip? That's just making stuff up, like forgetting a game is still going is completely NAI, also SAMCRO sred me and then proceeded to not vote me for a few irl days, and you say that is townish, everything about SAMCRO this game is scummy to the core, either you are a scum bud or really really bad at reads

But since you guys have seemed to have played with skitter, what is skitter like as scum?

Not played with but I read in ISO Skitter scum in Newbie 2055, in which skitter recently died and revealed scum, and she was more playful as scum and less aggressive/serious imo, I can mention that right a game where skitter died and was revealed scum? idk if it ended but when i read it it hadn't (pls don't hurt me mods if I did wrong I am but a simple man)

In post 337, CreativeName wrote:Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

Not true at all. Pooky's dying words were literally you are mafia or misguided. I took very close notice of that, you even quoted the exact words in an earlier response to me.

Pooky was not hard saying that SAMCRO was scum, mafia or misguided can be applied to many towns memebers. His literal last words were "Its up to you guys to figure out whether they hammered me as town or maf." There are many other reasons to town read samcro imo that i have outlined prior but you seem to not care about. SAMCRO is an awful vote today, I actually had almost forgotten that #213 looks like a town slip as I put in my prior post until kazyan pointed out.

The fact that you are fighting so hard makes you seem townier at the present moment - you should take note that even though I have light sussed you I have not voted you or expressed a clear desire to vote you. I will be clear that if it comes down to voting between you or SAMCRO I will vote you.

From my POV the entire town is TRing Skimmer for reasons beyond my understanding and I think that is an error.

Perhaps Kazyan is partnered with skimmer and attempting to get me off my sus and vote into a TvT vote pool by leveraging his prior accumulated town credit, or maybe I am thinking too far into it.

In any case, the two of you are TRing skimmer for "vibes" and if she is truly a strong mafia that is a horrendous reason to TR someone.

For example kazyan, that quote that you provided to me is Skimmer the skilled SE tunneling onto an obvious town without a second thought after the JK just died saying he was obvious town. That is a very scummy quote - that is not a good vibes quote.

I admit I could be wrong on the skimmer read, but nothing posted to argue against me so far is convincing. What is skimmer like as mafia?

I'm just pretty sure SAMCRO, Wheme, Kazyan are town, Wheme being the weakest TR in there, but after #231, I decided to declare Wheme a TR, I see no reason for scum!WhemeStar to go "I think samcro is obv town and I don't think scum does what he did there." I feel like scum would go right along with Sam being maf.

Skitter would probably be one of my strongest SRs here, and it just so happens that Skitter also called my slot scum off of no lines (technically there was 1, but I don't count it) Like, this is a town slot, I'd bet Megan was just overwhelmed or busy, so skitter, I'd love to hear some more on why I'm scum.

VOTE: skitter30

this might be the right way..

I think skitter is best direction to go here, like I genuinely do not see a skitter town world

In post 337, CreativeName wrote:Vote me, just know when I flip town you were got by SAMCRO and his partner (I now see this as possibly Wheme or seeds)

Pooky's dying words were that SAMCRO is probably mafia and somehow seeds in their backreading has skimmed over that

I have no idea how you went from TRing my slot to retroactively saying my slot was scummy on D1 when the only new info was that now I had you towards the scummier end of the game on my reads and provided infinitely more than my predecessor.

I also do not appreciate being told that my reads are bad, regardless of whether they are wrong or not. It is obnoxious to do so - although in my experience when someone tells me my reads are bad and are obnoxious or rude they tend to be town.

I mean, seeds, if you are town, the maf team is quite simply Creative and skitter, so a scum!CreativeName is exactly how that makes sense